Throb Robinson posted:Off topic. Gentlemen, I give you peak EU.jpg:  THIS WAS IN AN ACTUAL PUBLISHED BOOK. Play 'Spot the thing from Lord of the Rings', there's a lot of them!
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Someone post the comparison LoTR shot please. This one? 
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Aug 18, 2010 01:01
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Drighton posted:Is this supposed to be from that era where Jedi had their lightsabers tethered to battery-fanny-packs? I'm pretty sure that's Gamling. And it's from when he rides under the Mumakil and shoots arrows at it. quote:Is Anikin's midichlorean count lower after he gets all his arms and legs and stuff chopped off? I'm pretty sure George Lucas said it is, which is why Palpatine wanted a new apprentice to eventually replace Vader since he was weakened after his battle with Obi-Wan.
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Aug 18, 2010 10:03
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T-1000 posted:Lujayne is executed by stormies in the first one (although she gets replaced by her sister). Asyr collides with a... TIE Bomber, I think? Anyways, that was a dick move on the part of Stackpole, IMO. Poor Gavin. 
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Sep 14, 2010 02:34
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happy cabbage posted:Asyr doesn't die. She staged it because bothan leadership pressured her to stop being with gavin so she sets out to change bothan society so it is socially acceptable to gently caress interspecies. Everyone thinks she is though, and I'm pretty sure she hasn't been in any other EU work. Kind of the same thing. quote:Closest he comes to dying is the star destroyer jumping right beside him and his wingman while they're pirating a freighter. The freighter shields him from the SD so he blind-jumps while everyone else gets liquefied. Miraculously managing to not-die, he ends up at a small colony on a freezing, inhospitable world. They give him fuel and food and he sends them free bacta that they're stealing. Gavin Darklighter, the most  pilot in Rogue Squadron.
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Sep 15, 2010 00:37
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Cheesus posted:Unsubstatiated rumor of the day: Well, I now understand exactly how Obi-Wan felt just after the destruction of Obi-Wan.
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Oct 24, 2010 07:34
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Suenteus Po posted:Dead? 
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Oct 24, 2010 07:53
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Z. Beeblebrox IV posted:[speculation starts here] The Senate is kind of messed up though, although it's probably completely unintentional. The cone-headed Jedi dude damningly deems Count Dooku, leader of the Seperatist movement, probably the number one threat to the Republic, as a heinous 'political idealist'. Being described like that is usually a good thing, a way to make a character seem 'good'. I know I've said this before but it just demonstrates how badly written that film was. So, basically, enemies of the Senate/Republic are political idealists? 
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Nov 10, 2010 13:39
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Mister Roboto posted:Apparently there's new audio being added to ROTJ: No goddamn way. That absolutely ruins the scene!
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Aug 31, 2011 00:09
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Admiral Goodenough posted:^^^ I dunno, the Emperor's Tarzan scream at the end makes it seem like a joke. The Emperor's always made that sound, at least on the newer DVD releases.
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Aug 31, 2011 00:17
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So, I'm doing a re-read of the X-Wing series. I've just gotten past Krytos Trap and there's one thing that bugs me. Stackpole seems to have pretty well established that bothans are basically humans with fur and maybe cat features? How did they go from that to goat people?
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Mar 9, 2014 05:45
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So, re-reading the X-Wing series and the sudden 'death' of Asyr Sei'lar in Isard's Revenge still strikes me as really odd. It just kind of happens and then Gavin is sad, Asyr goes off to be a revolutionary, and absolutely nothing comes of it and part of me wonders if there wasn't some kind of mandate from above to drop the Gavin and Asyr plotline. It just feels like a really weak resolution with a 'war is hell' tone that doesn't fit with the rest of the series. As an aside, though, I am liking what I've heard about the new EU.
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Sep 15, 2015 11:50
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Arcsquad12 posted:New Essential Chronology had some great artwork in it. And then it also had artwork where Gondorian Jedi charged the Mumakil at the battle of the pelennor planet. But it also had the Iwo Jima flag on Coruscant. This is one of the most perplexing things I've seen and I don't understand how New Line Cinema didn't sue them over it. We're not talking homage of obvious influence, we're talking obvious photoshops of stills from the movie. You can clearly see Gimli and Gamling in it. A picture, a thousand words, etc, although this is only a small part of the whole thing. 
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Oct 7, 2015 22:29
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think KJA's novels had a bit of a sense of humour. They were pulp - perhaps not especially good pulp - but they didn't pretend to be anything more than that, and I think that's to their benefit. There's a sort of earnestness about it even when it's naff as hell; it was optimistic where a lot of the post-NJO stuff just felt really mean (presumably because that's 2edgy4u). I had no idea who Alema Rar is so I looked her up. It reads like some kind of weird mutilation fetish. It's like every time she got in a fight, she had some kind of thing happen to her. In various battles, her left arm gets cleaved about half off, her right head tail is severed, then she loses half of a foot, then her right arm is fractured and she gets deep wounds in her abdomen which left her body 'lopsided', her right arm is blown off and then she finally dies.
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Nov 30, 2015 13:24
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Yeah, Halsey was always very dubious. She did some pretty hosed up things, however, that led to Chief saving humanity several times. She acknowledged how hosed up she was but also knew it was necessary. Recently, however, Halo seems to be painting her as crazy Space Hitler or something who claims SPARTANs are the next evolution of humanity.
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Dec 2, 2015 05:00
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Drone posted:Anyone who criticizes the new movie for being too "safe" clearly has no idea what kind of damage the prequels did to the franchise and how badly a "safe" win like this is needed to restore confidence. You need to remember that CD thinks that the majority actually liked the prequels and the only people who dislike them are a 'vocal minority'.
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Dec 17, 2015 07:28
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Drone posted:I dunno, I interpreted it as a serious offer that wasn't meant as patricidal at the beginning, but a big deal is made when Starkiller Base finishes draining the sun's power. Kylo is facing the open door and sees this happen, and that drags him back to the darkness. I think it's pretty clear that the scene has a bit of irony between the two. Kylo says he wants help, Han thinks he means help coming back to the light - but Kylo means help to fully embrace the dark and, therefore, lets Han 'sacrifice himself' for his own desires. Kylo claims that he's being seduced by the light but, above all else, it's clear that he thinks he wants to be evil.
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Dec 20, 2015 09:56
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effectual posted:How? she was chucked in the trash and then 20 minutes later the planet blew up. My mate said that she could probably just say something like "This is Phasma, I'm in trash compactor 42D, please shut it down immediately" and have her subordinates come get her.
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Dec 23, 2015 06:04
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the rogues are all incredibly cool and good
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Dec 31, 2015 04:31
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Gammatron 64 posted:People bang bothans in both the X-Wing books and comics, which is pretty gross as they look like humanoid goats. To be fair to Gavin, Corran et. al, Bothans became humanoid goats with Star Wars Galaxies - which came out well after the X-Wing novels.  Borsk, for example, is the chap in the red jacket thing. X-Wing played Bothans as the 1998 sort, as indicated by Borsk and the female on the bottom of the image. Humans with some fur and claws.
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Feb 9, 2016 00:54
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Well, the idea of making a grand tapestry of stories all in the same shared space is really interesting, I think, the concept of this vast universe discovered bit by bit through different perspectives, but the Sith is in the details: trying to mix things made before the decision to keep canon (Old Marvels, Han/Lando Adventures, Dailies, old magazine supplements), specialised products (young readers, video games, short stories, RPG fluff) and the mainline novels and comics resulted in a lot of pileups on the highway to canonicity. Maybe there should have been time and notability cutoffs, I don't know. The NJO is definitely where I checked out on the EU. Not that I was a prolific consumer of it, but I never read another SW EU book after the first few in that series.
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Feb 10, 2016 04:23
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The mid 90's were the golden age of the EU. Some crap books, but nothing ultra terrible until the 2000s. Dark Horse was pumping out really cool comics. Lucasarts was still producing great games. Shadows of the Empire built a movie-level media and merchandise push out of a single book, which is impressive in itself. And you still had writers willing to experiment with the universe and do weird and creative stuff. Exactly. See, I can't hate Stackpole. I understand that his prose isn't great, I get that this space battles are basically him recounting his games of X-Wing VS Tie Fighter, I know that Corran Horn is essentially a self-insert Mary Sue, and I can certainly see how his characters have a tendency to monologue at the drop of a hat and always close chapters on a dramatic statement. But - and stay with me here, because this is going to be contentious - I do think his X-Wing books were fantastic about displaying a lot more depth in the Star Wars universe, while retaining the pulp space opera feel that later EU works essentially misplaced in their race to capture the Warhammer 40k audience. There's this certain level of earnest charm about the Stackpole novels that keeps them entertaining. The Rogue series is probably one of the few SW EU works that demonstrated that aliens weren't all the same. You had a Gand fighter pilot, a Twi'lek lawyer, a Bothan iconoclast, among others. It's a series that touched on things like, what are human/alien relations like on a political level and on a personal level. We get to see the Imperial perspective on the Battle of Endor at a museum, as well as many other things that authors generally shy away from. Even if it's a bit of a laugh, it shows that Stackpole understood that the Empire was pulp evil and understood the tone of what he was dealing with. But, even then, you had the Krytos virus to demonstrate some stuff about the universe that, again, isn't touched on. And other things, like Borsk Fey'lya's powerplays by leaning on the Bothan martyrs gave everything a dose of realism without making Borsk a caricature - he's just a politician who puts his own people first, in a galaxy where no one really seems to care about aliens. Sure, we can all have a laugh about Corran loving a Selonian, but it always struck me as strange - and still does, honestly, when you look at the EU - with how Star Wars handles aliens. Aliens exist but they operate as stereotypes and very few authors are prepared to challenge them, even when they could write whatever they want. Every Twi'lek has some history with the slave trade, for example, and I'd say most Twi'lek's featured in the EU are female. They're stereotypes on a conceptual level but they also feel like they're second-class citizens, even in the Rebel Alliance. For the most part, it's like you have this Rebel Alliance that is, apparently, fighting against a human-centric Empire where there's still this sense of segregation. It's like 'Sure, I'll fight for alien rights, but I wouldn't want my kids dating one (unless it's a sexy Twi'lek)'. Rogue Squadron felt like a series where aliens got to do things beyond be a token member of their race. Like you said, the X-Wing books definitely feel like Stackpole had more freedom to wander around the universe and examine it in more depth, maybe because there was no imposed metaplot that basically consumed later works. One of my favorite scenes in the X-Wing series is when the Rogues are hiding out on Coruscant in a dingy nightclub and Gavin's anxiety about Asyr's attempts to dance with him is misread as racism by an alien who can sense emotions. It's simple, character-based, and shows how these characters view the world. I don't know if you'd get something like that in the post-NJO EU - at least, without it being wrapped up in some kind of important event. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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broken clock opsec posted:Yeah we joke about furries and gotals/bothans/whatever, but in the setting they're real sentient/sapient beings, and sure Corran fucks a selonian (Han merely fights them?) and Gavin fucks a bothan and Wedge fucks a human bird person (boy, Rogue Squadron has all the fun there, huh), but they're supposed to be somewhat like actual relationships (that you ... just happen to not be able to reproduce with them ever, but I think even Wraith Squadron deals with that issue a little--one of the couples talks about adopting?). No, that was Gavin and Asyr. They wanted to adopt a Bothan kid but Borsk basically says, if they go through with it, then he'll use all of his political power to ruin their lives because there's no way a human/bothan couple can raise a bothan correctly. The reading of it as being analogous to homosexual relationships (or really, just interracial ones) is pretty apt. It's why I always found it a bit weird that Gavin ended up with a human woman who I think had a name and no other information in the NJO-era. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Feb 10, 2016 |
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Feb 10, 2016 23:32
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Dapper_Swindler posted:if i remember correctly, he thinks asyr dies. she gets shot down. apparently booster or someone else finds the crash site and rescues her, but she is in a coma,hosed up and maybe brain damaged. so publicly she dies and is hailed as a hero by borsk and the bothans and gavin never learns about the truth or something. broken clock opsec posted:IIRC she left a message for everyone else and she's actually more or less ok, but she wanted to go underground and go after Borsk for ruining lives and something something Gavin should have his own biological children. Nobody told Gavin. Dapper_Swindler posted:oh gently caress thats even worse. I am sad that borsk doesn't die like the shithead he is. instead he basicaly blows himself up with a ton of vong. It's alright, broken clock opsec, I'm a huge romantic fan too. It's partially why Gavin and Asyr are my two favorite characters amongst the Rogues. Dapper is basically right. Asyr either deliberately rams or accidentally collides with a TIE Bomber when the Rogues are ambushed. She's fished out of the void later by Booster Terrik. Borsk shows up and basically demands her body so Asyr can become another martyr but Booster tells him to gently caress off because the body has fallen into the gravity well of the gas giant they were fighting over - but this is a lie. At the end of the novel, Asyr contacts Iella and, yeah, basically says that she's going to go fight an underground political battle to change the system from within and that she has to fight it the ways Bothans fight and that Gavin is strong and he'll get over it. Asyr even claims that she's "better off dead". From there, she shows up in no further EU work and there is no acknowledgement of her underground political fight. Gavin never learns about the deception. Borsk eventually dies a hero. Essentially, Asyr is killed off. If you had to ask me, it feels like it was a decision that came from above Stackpole. It's a huge misstep because Asyr is obviously talking from a position of grief born out of Borsk's threats, but they just... let her go off and fight a battle she can't possibly win. Asyr isn't equipped for that sort of fight. She's a fighter pilot and her numerous interactions with Borsk over the course of the series make it clear that she is too headstrong and too fiery for the political arena. Really, the conclusion of her arc seems to be a complete inversion - once an iconoclast, Asyr has become a typical Bothan who is willing to step over people to accomplish a political goal. Borsk bluffed her hard (Yeah, because a single senator could really deny two war heroes the ability to adopt children...) and Asyr fell for it. And fell for it to a ridiculous extent that she ruins her own life. Which means that Borsk basically gets what he wants in the end, right? Like you said, the moral/political angle of it is pretty twisted ('bigots triumph') and it doesn't really mesh at all with anything else in the X-Wing series. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Feb 11, 2016 |
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Chairman Capone posted:I actually never really thought that Borsk died as a hero in Star by Star. I always read that scene as him just realizing he'd hosed things up so badly that even if he escaped he would have been completely shunned from power (his singular life's goal) for the rest of his life, if he wasn't imprisoned or outright killed, and just getting it over with then was the easiest way out and to possibly salvage at least his memory. "Whether or not this perfidious action redeemed him is questionable (indeed, some argued that he was irredeemable), but essentially Borsk Fey'lya died a hero. To both his people and the New Republic at large, he had become a modern day martyr, and his death inspired the Bothans, for the first time in centuries, to declare a state of ar'krai—total war on the Yuuzhan Vong by the Bothan people. In addition to this, the Yuuzhan Vong also respected him for his actions and believed him to be a minor hero."
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Feb 11, 2016 02:30
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Arcsquad12 posted:So there's some news on Episode 8. Laura Dern is apparently playing some Resistance/New Republic Commander who seems to be at odds with Poe. how could anyone be at odds with that dreamboat? jealousy, probably
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Mar 21, 2016 07:51
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Big Mean Jerk posted:The rumor I heard was that Dern is a New Republic rep who blames the Resistance for the destruction of their capitol and turning the First Order cold war hot. With the NR hosed up, they're forced to help the Resistance but they're not happy about it. I wonder what happened to Coruscant. Still held by the Empire or something?
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Mar 22, 2016 00:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I think a lot of it has to do with how slick the new designs are. I love the new Stormtroopers and Star Destroyers. And Kylo is a really engaging villain. But yeah, they're not nearly as "likeable" as the Empire. Kylo's one of my favourite Star Wars villains but he doesn't have nearly the same 'Wow, he's cool,' like Vader does. Even Palpatine had a certain slickness to him.
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Mar 22, 2016 03:54
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Wheat Loaf posted:Emperor Palpatine. Darth Plagueis the Wise. I'm betting that Snoke is going to be a cover identity.
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Apr 12, 2016 00:08
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Cheesus posted:Abrams really couldn't have sprung for even Star Wars Stereotypical race members sprinkled into the groups, like a Trandoshan, Rhodian, or Twilek? My personal beef with Star Wars - which the new movies and EU appear to be continuing, unfortunately - is that aliens are barely there. It kind of sucks really. You get maybe one in any cast. For a series that kind of set the standard when it came to aliens, it's unfortunate that they never show up. I mean, does Rogue One even have one alien character amongst its cast?
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Apr 13, 2016 14:39
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Thwomp posted:Except classic Star Wars didn't do that as much as you think? Sure, and that was back in the 1970s and 80s. With the technology we have today, there's no real excuse to not broaden the scope a bit, so to speak.
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Apr 13, 2016 15:08
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Cheesus posted:Right. Honestly, I completely forgot about them. Yes, they had a lot of them, and they had a lot of distinctive designs, too. None of TFA's aliens really jumped out at me as being really unique - they felt derivative which is an issue.
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Apr 13, 2016 15:55
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jng2058 posted:Well, that and the fact that CGI just ages worse than practical effects do. CGI that looked amazing at the time like Jurassic Park and the prequel films look worse and worse every year as new improvements to CGI make the stuff we see currently much more impressive. (And poo poo that looked dodgy at the time like Babylon 5 looks positively wretched now.) Meanwhile, well done model work always looks good, and Return of the Jedi had the best model work anyone's ever done. B5 absolutely wasn't dodgy at the time and there are far more shows that have aged worse. B5's issues stem from losing a whole heap of footage when a warehouse burnt down, necessitating a lot of it being blown up and stretched to fit DVD format. Cheesus posted:They all seemed somewhat uninspired and unfitting in the Star Wars universe. What really struck me as weird during the Maz's cantina scene is that the big lizard guy could have been a Trandoshan and the informant could have been a Twi'lek. They were almost there but they suddenly veered left and gave us two new aliens who felt 'inspired by'. It does feel inauthentic. Like, the Resistance is the last line of defence against the xenophobic First Order and there's exactly one alien there. Everyone's human.
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Can't say I'm a fan of the Rogue One reshoot news.
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Jun 1, 2016 04:58
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Canemacar posted:I'm probably biased but, in my opinion, TOR is your typical Bioware story: simple, predictable, and eye-rollingly bad. Which would be fine on it's own if it hadn't taken some of the best Star Wars ever made(KOTOR 2) and shot it between the eyes. This was my big problem with TOR. I tried it at F2P and it felt very, very Bioware. It doesn't help that the setting is basically Star Wars But In The Past And Everything Is The Same but they have characters who are basically ones we've already seen (Scorpio and EDI, for example).
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Aug 4, 2016 11:31
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Rocksicles posted:Would love to see Gavin and his dog wife fall in love, tumblr would have a loving meltdown. Me too, friend. Me too.
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Aug 12, 2016 11:33
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Wheat Loaf posted:Good meltdown or bad meltdown? Trick question. Surely all meltdowns are good?
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Aug 12, 2016 13:08
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Rocksicles posted:Galactic teenager in a inter species relationship. With a dog lady. Technically, she was more of a cat lady during Stackpole's time. I think the Selonians were still otter people though. edit: Isard's Revenge was obviously Stackpole deciding that, for Gavin, cat ladies are okay but dog ladies are not.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:15
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Yeah, I'm not seeing that as a indicator of anything. Unless the lines are vastly different in the text to that summary.
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Lake Jucas posted:Battlefront is actually pretty great right now. Between various patches and DLC it's become an awesome title. Pretty sure more people are playing it now than at any time after the initial release. I say give it a shot. It's really not. PC Australia, Battlefront numbers are so small that if you play five nights a week you'll run into the same dozen or so players across the seemingly one game server that is running. I can't imagine buying Battlefront now.
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