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What should market value for a no-ad 3G Kindle 3 or Ad-supported Kindle 4 be? I have the three, my wife has the 4, and one of us is going to upgrade to replace whenever the paperwhite with side buttons comes out. That really is a must-have for us, but I have no idea what these things are worth because my local craigslist either has tons of people selling paperwhites for $10 under new, and one dude advertising a non-touch ad supported Kindle 4 for $95 firm, I have no idea why.
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Boy I was really worried no physical buttons on the Aura would be a niggling bother, but since I discovered the touchscreen is compatible with the same quart freezer bags I took my Sony to the beach in, I'm happy as a clam.
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Aug 18, 2014 16:18
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Twerk from Home posted:What should market value for a no-ad 3G Kindle 3 or Ad-supported Kindle 4 be? I have the three, my wife has the 4, and one of us is going to upgrade to replace whenever the paperwhite with side buttons comes out. That really is a must-have for us, but I have no idea what these things are worth because my local craigslist either has tons of people selling paperwhites for $10 under new, and one dude advertising a non-touch ad supported Kindle 4 for $95 firm, I have no idea why. You will be lucky to get much, maybe $50-80 tops. The non Paperwhite kindle is $80, and a lot lighter than the keyboard, so the only advantage yours aha now a days is really the 3G that works international. Honestly, I am just keeping my keyboard as a backup, I didn't think the price I would get selling it was worth it.
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Aug 19, 2014 11:45
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Waterprrof, dustproof Kobo is coming!
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Aug 19, 2014 15:15
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Now you can get Nook software (well, not really, more just Android with some Nook widgets) on terrible hardware, say hello to the Galaxy Tab 4 Nook. No, you shouldn't buy it.
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Aug 20, 2014 17:05
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Makes sense. My kindle has one button and one port... Not exactly hard to waterproof.
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Aug 21, 2014 12:50
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Lilputing is saying it's set to launch on September 1st for $179 quote:The device is said to be IP67 certified, which means you can submerge it in up to a meter of water for up to a half hour as long as the USB port cover is closed. http://liliputing.com/2014/08/kobos-aura-h2o-waterproof-ereader-launch-sept-1st-179.html
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Aug 21, 2014 17:18
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With specs like that, it's really tempting to forgo ecosystem integration and grab one of these. Most of my books right now are DRM free from various Humble Bundles and Story Bundles anyways (and the rest are easily broken.) So I can't do cloud sync of pages read with my Nook Simple Touch. That's one thing a Kindle would be able to do, but Amazon better announce some new hardware quick or my buying finger may get itchy.
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Aug 21, 2014 17:29
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I really wonder why they bothered with the USB port. Wireless charging could allow it to be much more waterproof. Phones can't get away with this because they're so power hungry and critical to many of their users that the near ubiquity of micro-USB is hard to give up. More perfect waterproofing isn't worth losing the ability to charge pretty much anywhere for most people. E-readers last forever on a charge compared to phones and are rarely of high importance to their users, so the tradeoff is a lot more appealing. I would love to not have to worry about the plastic bag I put around my Kindle leaking when I'm reading in the pool.
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Aug 21, 2014 18:49
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I dunno about where you guys live, but I went library hopping today and found out that my local one rents out entire eReaders. I own this bad boy for three weeks and that's about the sweet spot for when the next Kindle should be in my hands. 
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Aug 21, 2014 19:48
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wolrah posted:I really wonder why they bothered with the USB port. How would you sideload books otherwise? I mean, there's the SD card slot as well, but that's another opening. Also, wireless charging involves a coil, so if they wanted to keep the weight down I could see them not including it.
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Aug 21, 2014 20:18
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bull3964 posted:How would you sideload books otherwise? I mean, there's the SD card slot as well, but that's another opening. Wifi would work for sideloading books, right? Just present it as an SMB share.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:30
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noirstronaut posted:I dunno about where you guys live, but I went library hopping today and found out that my local one rents out entire eReaders. I own this bad boy for three weeks and that's about the sweet spot for when the next Kindle should be in my hands. Was going to say that a lot of libraries in Maryland do that, but then I saw your bag says Anne Arundel, so you're obviously already in Maryland.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:41
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noirstronaut posted:I dunno about where you guys live, but I went library hopping today and found out that my local one rents out entire eReaders. I own this bad boy for three weeks and that's about the sweet spot for when the next Kindle should be in my hands. Yup, my wife is a librarian up here in PA and they have been adding Kindles for loan and other such programs. Trying to catch up on the times.
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Aug 21, 2014 21:56
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:Wifi would work for sideloading books, right? Just present it as an SMB share. Have fun teaching grandma how to set up an SMB share. I know, grandma won't be sideloading books, but a lot of people do. And a lot more don't have a clue about SMB share types of stuff.
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Aug 22, 2014 22:45
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If it can handle downloading over http, you can probably teach them the motions to run something like http://www.hoagieshouse.com/apps/webserve.html to grab files out of their download folder or whatever. Or just emailing it to themself how amazon lets you now.
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Aug 22, 2014 22:47
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Javid posted:If it can handle downloading over http, you can probably teach them the motions to run something like http://www.hoagieshouse.com/apps/webserve.html to grab files out of their download folder or whatever. Calibre can run a web server as well as I recall.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:08
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hotsauce posted:Have fun teaching grandma how to set up an SMB share. I know, grandma won't be sideloading books, but a lot of people do. And a lot more don't have a clue about SMB share types of stuff. You don't really need to set up anything, just go to Windows network sharing and drag-drop files.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:32
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You'd still be shutting out all those people who don't have a wireless home network or other Wi-Fi available, which doesn't seem that great for business. Everybody has a computer with a USB port.
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Aug 22, 2014 23:34
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Zat posted:You'd still be shutting out all those people who don't have a wireless home network or other Wi-Fi available, which doesn't seem that great for business. Everybody has a computer with a USB port. Also, microusb is a global standard for charging mobile devices, where the various inductive chargers aren't. And inductive chargers can really increase the price of your product.
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Aug 23, 2014 00:03
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Zat posted:You'd still be shutting out all those people who don't have a wireless home network or other Wi-Fi available, which doesn't seem that great for business. Everybody has a computer with a USB port. An e-reader strikes me as far more of a luxury item than wireless networking. WiFi's free with most broadband connections, a lot of people have it without even knowing. Of course there are still a lot of people without broadband, but many of those are either uninterested in technology or can't afford it anyways, so not exactly the e-reader market. I could be wrong though, I'm no market analyst. Nintendo Kid posted:Also, microusb is a global standard for charging mobile devices, where the various inductive chargers aren't. There's only really Qi and Powermat, and only Qi is actually used in devices as far as I've seen. If Powermat hadn't made a deal with Starbucks no one would even be thinking about them. That said I did acknowledge that you'd be losing widely available generic charging, but since the odds of a "must charge right now" situation are a lot lower with an e-reader versus a phone it's an easier trade to make when you take water resistance from failure prone to practically foolproof. quote:And inductive chargers can really increase the price of your product. It costs under $20 to add to my phone aftermarket including the pad. I have to imagine it's a lot cheaper per unit to add as a standard feature in a mass produced device. edit: hotsauce posted:Have fun teaching grandma how to set up an SMB share. I know, grandma won't be sideloading books, but a lot of people do. And a lot more don't have a clue about SMB share types of stuff. Expose a SMB share, release a simple PC app that does an autodiscover (UPnP, Zeroconf, mDNS, whatever you prefer) and just does a \\device\share or smb://device/share depending on platform. Every OS Grandma uses has great SMB support so the PC app would be nothing. wolrah fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Aug 23, 2014 02:05
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wolrah posted:It costs under $20 to add to my phone aftermarket including the pad. That's like 1/3 the price of a new Kindle. Even if bulk ordering got the price down to a quarter it would still be a hefty additional cost.
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Aug 23, 2014 02:15
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Nintendo Kid posted:That's like 1/3 the price of a new Kindle. Even if bulk ordering got the price down to a quarter it would still be a hefty additional cost. We're not talking about entry-level devices here, the Kobo that started this is $180.
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Aug 23, 2014 02:54
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wolrah posted:We're not talking about entry-level devices here, the Kobo that started this is $180. Why should the high end device be least convenient to use then?
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Aug 23, 2014 02:55
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why should the high end device be least convenient to use then? Well, for better waterproofing, as well as a unique selling point.
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Aug 23, 2014 03:15
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:Well, for better waterproofing, as well as a unique selling point. You can get perfect waterproofing down to at least 100 meters just using a proper gasketed port though (though honestly the water pressure would be likely to start breaking the rest of the device at that depth anyway). You lose none of the convenience, and most people aren't going to have all the air tanks to hang around in an ocean trench that it couldn't handle to begin with.
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Aug 23, 2014 03:20
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Yeah, I'll take the USB port that I can use any random cable to charge or load books. Wireless charging is nice, but really for things that you have to charge frequently. Drop your phone on your night stand every night kind of thing. For an ereader, it'd every 3-4 weeks you don't have to plug a cable in for a couple hours.
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Aug 23, 2014 03:32
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I've got a universal qi receiver coming. I'm going to use it with my phone, but I had already planned to see if I could stick it on the back of my Aura. And have it charge through a zip lock bag. 
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Aug 23, 2014 05:27
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Guys, I'm kinda confused here when it comes to Kobos. I might be jumping ships if the Paperwhite 3 isn't balls amazing, but is the Glo just an older version of the Aura? As in, was the Glo around before the Aura and then the Aura was announced as its successor? There's only a $20 difference in the two and it seems like small specs and resolution were the only things upgraded.
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Aug 23, 2014 06:32
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noirstronaut posted:Guys, I'm kinda confused here when it comes to Kobos. I might be jumping ships if the Paperwhite 3 isn't balls amazing, but is the Glo just an older version of the Aura? As in, was the Glo around before the Aura and then the Aura was announced as its successor? There's only a $20 difference in the two and it seems like small specs and resolution were the only things upgraded. Basically, yeah. The 6" (non-HD) Aura is the successor to the Glo and didn't change very much apart from the physical size of the unit, adding a capacitive touchscreen and having better E-Ink with much lest ghosting (with the Glo I always had the screen refresh between every page turn because anything else would've introduced some ghosting, while with the Aura refreshing every five pages works just as well; I also played with the "refresh between chapters" option and even that was totally decent).
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Zat posted:Basically, yeah. The 6" (non-HD) Aura is the successor to the Glo and didn't change very much apart from the physical size of the unit, adding a capacitive touchscreen and having better E-Ink with much lest ghosting (with the Glo I always had the screen refresh between every page turn because anything else would've introduced some ghosting, while with the Aura refreshing every five pages works just as well; I also played with the "refresh between chapters" option and even that was totally decent). Ah, good to know. Thanks! Also,I feel like I'm missing something when it comes to the Nook v Kindle debates. Every time I read or see one, the mentality is that the Kindle is the perfect eReader in every way. Yet, the Kindle Touch and Nook have been out for around the same duration of time (Nook actually came out earlier, it appears) but the Nook has small features that would make me believe it's simply better. It has  tactile page turn buttons a power button that can't be accidentally tapped, the bookmarks aren't ads, but someone's artistic renditions of popular classical authors, grooves along the back to grip for one handed reading, and, basing this comparison solely off the Kindle Touch and this, a better, more fluid hardware design. Is it something about the software? I was able to perfectly load up some DRM-free ebooks through Calibre just like I was doing on my old Kindle, but I can't imagine that's the sole reason why people are so against it.
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Aug 23, 2014 17:50
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Eh, my complaints about the nook glo vs the paperwhite were basically minor. I enjoy the ability to email books to myself for wifi delivery. I hated the fact that while the nook said YOU GET 2 GIGS OF STORAGE! you actually got like 400 megs because of how they partitioned the drive. It helped that you have sd card access, but still that's kinda a lovely thing to "discover". Mainly though, the think I hated about the nook glo was the screen. It glowed, which was awesome, but I dropped a quarter on mine and it got a bright line on it. The screen LOOKS fine with the glow off, and that's great, but when there's minor impacts to the screen and the glo is turned on, those minor impacts turn into bright loving lines through words and pics. Kindle just has the ease of use going for it. If they'd release a page turn button version I'd be thrilled. Being able to click a button on the website to buy a book, turn the reader on and boom the book is there, that's awesome. If I want a sample of new book, I go to the site, I click "get sample" and it sends it wirelessly to my kindle. Nook doesn't do that, and it's a hassle to have to dig out a micro cable every time I want to see something that looks interesting. I don't find myself hitting the power button on the kindle by accident, if ever, though. I did accidentally hit the nook one a few times while carting it around. I love em both, but going by sheer hardware I dig the kindle more. I get pretty much the full amount of space they say I get for anything I load up, I have the ability to email books from calibre to my kindle, and I have the ability to not have to plug it in to transfer stuff if I don't want to. I don't really notice the ads on there, but if they are a huge hassle for you and you just HATE them, pay 20$ and they go away.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Kindle just has the ease of use going for it. If they'd release a page turn button version I'd be thrilled. Being able to click a button on the website to buy a book, turn the reader on and boom the book is there, that's awesome. If I want a sample of new book, I go to the site, I click "get sample" and it sends it wirelessly to my kindle. I've got the Nook Simple Touch (the non-lighted version) and I still love it. That was a sweet spot for design and functionality in an e-ink reader, it's a shame that the design focus is shifting over to tablets, and basically all the ereaders have moved away from physical turn buttons and SD card slots. If my Nook had the screen of the Kindle Paperwhite it would be a perfect e-ink reader.
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If Onyx comes out with a new Carta e-reader, that's the one I'm aiming for. Otherwise, I think the featureset of the T68 is perfect for me: it runs Android, so I can manage my series-heavy library well with arbitrary tags, it has an excellent screen, it has physical page turn buttons, and it has frontlighting.
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Aug 23, 2014 20:27
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noirstronaut posted:a power button that can't be accidentally tapped The power button on the Paperwhite requires a very firm push, and is pretty small and almost flush with the device. It would be quite difficult to accidentally push the power button.
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big mean giraffe posted:The power button on the Paperwhite requires a very firm push, and is pretty small and almost flush with the device. It would be quite difficult to accidentally push the power button. I must be a special flower then. I'd have to use my toes to count how many times I've shut off my Paperwhite by accident.
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Aug 23, 2014 22:31
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RightClickSaveAs posted:All the Nooks (hah that sounds weird plural) do this though, assuming you go through B&Ns website. You can buy a book or get a sample on your computer and it will be added to your account and downloaded on your Nook right then, assuming the wireless is turned on. Sideloading books from somewhere else is a different matter, which I'd assume would apply to the Kindle as well.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:32
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What's everyone's favorite font for reading?
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Aug 25, 2014 09:56
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noirstronaut posted:What's everyone's favorite font for reading? I'm really partial to FontFont's serifs, especially Scala and Yoga.
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I just bought a paperwhite 3g. Is the Amazon deferred payment thing a new thing? Made the decision to get the 3G non-ad version easier to swallow when you're paying ~40 bucks a month for 5 months. Curious, has any news on the PW3 come out? Last I heard they were just upping storage, no major changes. Also grabbed a Fintie smartshell. The reviews were very positive, but can anyone comment on how decent they are?
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