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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Gnoman posted:

Are there any carrier capable aircraft in that picture? My head hurts.

There is a carrier variant of the Mig-29, but I can't tell if those are it. I also thought the delta winged ones were Rafaels but I guess they are atually Eurofighters.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
The EF wasn't designed with ground attack in mind so it probably makes sense to expand one's options, but why isn't the Rafael under consideration?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Can you mount an active array on a missile, maybe not AA missile but one of the big SAMs?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Newest Al Qaeda video shows them using drones to spot for mortas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5InjhbSDWE&t=851s

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

pthighs posted:

One of the interesting criticisms of Tesla I've read is that they are too much like this, with no path forward to the type of mass produced quality non-rich people need.

Also, "Found on Road Dead"

It's basically the nature of hand building anything. People aren't standardized and robots don't make mistakes. Stuff like the civillian versions of he HMMVW and Gelandewagen which are hand built on the same lines as the military versions generally have awful build quality, parts that don't fit on another car, etc. Because for vehicles like that the sales volume is too low to justify a big investment in an automated production line, which is kind of amusing when the people who buy these six figure poseur mobiles expect quality better than your average Honda Civic (an extremely high quality, well built and well designed vehicle that has had billions poured into both the design and the assembly facilities).

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

feedmegin posted:

I'm not sure i've ever heard anyone touting it as a walkover, and I'm British.

If the Argentinian Excocets had warheads that were just a little more reliable or at least as reliable as they were advertised it would have been Tsushima part deux.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

shame on an IGA posted:

lol Tsushima Straits.

"Hay guys lets sail our entire fleet 18,000 miles around the horn of africa with minimal resupply opportunities and then lose all of it in the first engagement"

I think the Tsar actually went and retired the Imperial Russian naval ensign after Tsushima, becuase they just wanted to forget about the whole thing.

How would a civilian B1 or Tu - 22 even work? Like I don't think you can convert the bomb bay into a hottub or something, is it just so you can fly as a civilian for long distances at supersonic speeds while making GBS threads your pants?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I imagine there aren't really any health benefits? If something was harmful like PM2.5 particulate matter it's not really a thing that's going to be cleaned out by this process. Sort of like why you don't need an enema every day - the organ cleans itself naturally and there are more risks than rewards.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I dunno guys this really isn't making America look great again.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I wonder why no one has tried caseless ammo on something that doesn't fire a lot of rounds very quickly by design, like revolvers, or maybe airplane cannons (those only carry a few seconds worth of ammo right?).

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Why did the soviet union never go to a rimless full size cartridge for their machine guns? Doesn't it make the feed mechanism more complicated than it needs to be?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
TIL Mexico, the 11th largest economy in the world in nominal terms, larger than say, Sweden or Turkey, has no supersonic fighters or even an independent air force - it's still subordinate to the army.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
SA doesn't have a border with Turkey, how would there be a war between them? Are one or both going to also invade Syria and Iraq (more than they already have)?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Well poo poo, TIL that the Saudis have a Strategic Rocket Force. Can Turkish SSKs reach the Red Sea without transiting the Suez Canal?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Tias posted:

Actually, a famous Danish far-right politician suggested in '73 that we replaced ALL of our armed forces and military cooperation with NATO, with an answering machine that said "we surrender" in Russian.

At this point Canada should probably consider this option, since apparently the alternative is "pay foreign companies billions of dollars to not build or sell us any planes."

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Well why doesn't the plane just roll over if it needs to drop the top tanks. :colbert:

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Indian already had carriers and had been using them in actual wars when they bought the Russian one. :shrug:

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

BIG HEADLINE posted:

That's a really weird place to put a CIWS, and I *really* hope it's programmed to have a limited engagement arc that doesn't, you know, spray down the flight deck with 20mm if it ever has to traverse over it.

Tunguska malfunctions in the worst/most hilarious way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5djvOTzRZ0

EDIT: Or possibly the gunner's hand just slipped.

Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Nov 27, 2018

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Canadians generally have a wildly exaggerated idea of their country's importance or stature in the world.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Hauldren Collider posted:

For some reason I thought the Osprey had a removable chin cannon.

I think in the game LHX, which this thread mentioned, the Osprey had guns, maybe that's where you saw it.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
Could the western allies have poured more men and material into close air support and fighter bombers, presumably they were also already doing that anyway?

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Mr Crustacean posted:

Now I'm no OPLAN planner, but I think it may be a slight leap from whatever theatre conflict scenario you're contemplating to striking a strategic civilian target which may result in hundreds of thousands - millions of civilian deaths.

In the specific case of the three gorges dam, there has been clear Chinese signalling that strikes on that would be viewed as strategic (i.e nuclear ) attack on China
When you're talking hundreds of thousands- millions dead from strikes, it's a strategic exchange, by definition.
If you do not respond to hundreds of thousands-millions dead from strikes on your homeland, when would you respond? Would you just expect the other guy to just lie down and take it?


Now the question of what objective you're trying to achieve at that point becomes rather relevant.
It's one thing to plan how a military conflict may turn out and how varying systems perform against each other, that is the job of those in the profession of arms.
It's a rather more disturbing Curtis lemay esque thing to talk about destroying opposing economic and industrial capacity without regards to the end body count effects.
And its a reprehensible thing to fantasise about specifically targeting the civilian populace to 'ruin' a country.
At that point, you're not looking for a military or political purpose. You are malicious, and when it results in mutual strategic exchange, you are insane.


Now, a little thought experiment and exercise in empathy here.

Picture this, imagine if someone was fantasising and planning to destroy New York or the Hoover dam. And gleefully picturing how much damage could be done to the American economy or how the death toll would 'ruin' them.

You'd be pretty afraid of those people, you'd be wary of how people like that could fantasise about killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. It may be fair to say, you'd be justified in looking to defend yourself against those kinds of people.

Now, in my line of work, when we come across people who actively fantasise and plan on mass killings of civilians, we have something called a statutory duty to report, because they're generally rather deranged and or dangerous people to themselves or others.

Picture this, if you were your Chinese internet counterpart against people like you?

But my Chinese wife

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I feel pretty bad for the civilians of the next defenseless Middle Eastern/Brown country that gets smashed back into the stone age as an effort to deter China.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Neophyte posted:

Defeat modern anti-air systems by bundling a program that lets you watch porn on the radar screens with malware, place them on USB drives, and launch DPCIM warheads stuffed with the drives at air defense site parking lots. DoD where's my grant money?


Can't wait until we have a some sort of centralized "net", protecting our sky. Wonder what they'll call it?

The Russians already did this.

https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/danger-close-fancy-bear-tracking-ukrainian-field-artillery-units/

TL;DR for some reason Ukrainian artillery units had no easy way of doing targeting calculations except using some weird pirated android app on their smartphones that knew their locations. War starts, Ukranian artillery positions all explode immediately. Or something like that.

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
That's all interesting and good for the next 25 year plan but the CF-18 was bought to replace F104s. This is like if your air force was still made up of Mig-21s in the 1990s - maybe just buy something/anything already?

Canada should definitely have both a VVS and a PVO tho.

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Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
I think all military vehicles of this ilk are going to be built like 1970s Italian sports cars because there isn't enough volume to make a more efficient and fool proof. Even the cheapest civilian economy car on the road is going to be built way better.

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