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poptart_fairy posted:Some of the one-liners for executions are rather The Punisher game was the first game that made me feel bad about the characters that I killed. That's all I'll say about that game.
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Meh, if he wanted to be a daddy so much he shouldn't have become a merc.
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Well you did get the option to just knock them out instead. "I'm gonna be a daddy!  ""Be a good one.  "
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Coming this summer, Garth Ennis' "Punisher: Infanticide"
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Mister Roboto posted:I didn't like Long Cold Dark much at all. I realize this sounds like a very strange complaint, but it felt gratuitous. Barracuda wasn't his jovial-but-clever-gangsta self, he felt more like the Juggernaut. It also had a writing cliche that really bothered me: The villain/hero captures the other, and doesn't non-fatally disable them to prevent their inevitable escape. I.e. slice off Cuda's other hand's fingers, or blind his other eye, slice his legs, SOMEThing that Frank has learned over the past 50 issues. I mean, Rawlins escaped with one eye, you'd think Frank would know better. The rushed revelations about Barracuda's abusive childhood also seemed out of left field and unnecessary.
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It also helps to remember that, in Long Cold Dark, Frank's first priority is the baby. Killing Barracuda will have to wait until he's made sure that she's OK. Also, who would have thought that frying someone's balls for half an hour wouldn't keep them down! Speaking, of which, the page when he does this is one of the few times we really see Frank enjoy his work. "A half-hour's drive later I had the jump leads clamped to the skin of his balls and I'd been turning the ky in the ignition for fifteen minutes and he'd poo poo all over himself and the world was a beautiful place." Easily my second favorite moment in the series, right behind the last two pages. BENGHAZI 2 fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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Feb 22, 2011 16:34
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Gassire posted:Coming this summer, Garth Ennis' "Punisher: Infanticide" Only if it has a rehash of the Maternity Ward cover - one of my favourites for sheer silliness: 
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PepperSinclaire posted:Only if it has a rehash of the Maternity Ward cover - one of my favourites for sheer silliness: Why does his gun have a lion's mane?
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Feb 23, 2011 02:21
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Maybe it's just charged with Kirby Krackles? I love the little touches on that cover. The kid in the box on the upper left corner (whatever you call it), the baby on board in the bottom right, and even the fact that it's called "Maternity War." The Punisher has had one of the most tonal bipolar histories in all of comics. (I would love to see this cover in the super-realistic Punisher Max style)
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Feb 23, 2011 06:40
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The Baby On Board is cool because it's a fun example of a barcode replacer for a direct subscription. A lot of the time it was just "generic Marvel thing" but that? That's awesome.
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In today's In the Blood, Remender pressed the "we're not going to go THAT far" button by revealing that the masked woman claiming to be Maria Castle isn't really her. Just one of Frank's victims who he thought he burned to death who took under the identity to gently caress with him. I'm guessing she was one of the women from the Jigsaw arc in Fraction's run, but I can barely recall that story. Still, the issue does push two ideas: 1) Frank most certainly killed his family. Microchip gives him a speech about how he knows what it's like to be resurrected. Frank's children were shot to death, woke up in what felt like an instant later and saw their father burning them to death. Frank is going to have to live with that being their final experience. 2) Frank's so out of touch with what his family was like, especially Maria, that he let himself get so easily tricked by the impostor.
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I haven't read the latest issue of "In The Blood" yet but I have a feeling that if that's the case, Punisher would suck it up and keep on Punishing. If anything, that realization will drive him to new heights of insane, obsessively focused rage that he'll direct against mobsters and drug dealers. I personally think the best Punisher stories involve Frank Castle knowing on some level that he is a horrible person, and either going with it for reasons that we don't quite understand or just not caring much. In Punisher vs. Marvel Universe, he admits to himself at the end that he's a monster. In Long Cold Dark, the last scene has him driving away from his daughter and reflecting on what a dark, twisted mess he's made of his life. In that storyline with the mob wives (Widowmakers?) there's a scene where a police detective gets the drop on Castle and looks about ready to pull the trigger; Punisher just looks at him and says, "You really want to be like me?" The cop lowers the weapon and lets Punisher walk. So if he has to live with the knowledge of what he did to his mystically-resurrected family (however hosed-up and demonic that resurrection was) it could motivate him to all-new levels of "I'm horrible anyway, so gently caress it" behavior. That could take things in some interesting directions, depending on the writers. picosecond fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 25, 2011 |
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Feb 25, 2011 17:02
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I worry that 616 Frank's story would be wrapped up going in that direction. MAX Punisher is different because his story is designed to show us just how unhinged and hosed up his life would become. I really wouldn't want it to be that Frank actually torched his family. Even if that becomes the case, I would want someone to retcon it to be that since it was Dormammu-related magic, they weren't his family. I got that take of Frank in the MAX line because he's a different beast there. I don't want them to take that route with 616 Frank. Let his family rest, goddammit!
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Feb 25, 2011 18:53
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MAX Frank is wonderful because it's incredibly over the top yet believeable at the same time. Mass murdering psychopaths spilling blood, torturing people, killing them in increasingly hosed up ways don't get off easily. Nor do his victims. 
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Feb 25, 2011 22:59
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poptart_fairy posted:MAX Frank is wonderful because it's incredibly over the top yet believeable at the same time. Mass murdering psychopaths spilling blood, torturing people, killing them in increasingly hosed up ways don't get off easily. I actually read Ennis' Frank and Aaron's Frank as completely unrelated. They really read like different dudes, different universes, etc. Like 'em both, but two very different takes on the same general character. I'm definitely excited to see where Aaron's gonna take his Punisher, although I'd really like darker artists, like Laurence Campbell or Jefte Palo or even R.M. Guera on that book.
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Feb 25, 2011 23:22
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I'm only familiar with Ennis' take. Comic books aren't easy for me to come by in this neck of the country, especially by mail order. 
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Feb 25, 2011 23:31
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 Marvel's Digital subscription thing doesn't have "Welcome Back, Frank" or much anything else worth reading that includes Castle... but does have Eminem/Punisher.
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Digital Scumbag posted:
"You tell them Shady sent you!"
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Feb 26, 2011 01:23
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Speaking of Punisher; Infanticide he did kill a kid in an issued of Captain Marvel. Marvel, gone a bit loopy with galactic knowledge tried to learn some discipline from Frank and shows him what the kid of some mob boss was going to end up doing to him in the future. It's never explicitly said that he iced the kid, but it's there between the lines. Also chalk me up for more Barracuda. Sure the character could easily be ran into the ground but I love that dude. He's just so happy.
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The Shadowlands Hardcover arrived a couple days ago, finally got around to reading it. Another blatant example of Punisher inclusion for cameo and marketing reasons as opposed to actual story contribution. He blows up a wall and throws out some quips, big deal. Biggest waste since I bought The List Hardcover only for it to contain The same Punisher story I had just read in the Frank Castle Hardcover. Balls. Looking forward to Max Volume 6 though, the final set of three post-Ennis The Punisher Max stories before it became PunisherMax. I already bought them in TPB because I figured since they weren't Ennis they wouldn't get over-sized hardcover treatment. More money sacrificed to the comic god of death
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RevBabyKiller posted:The Shadowlands Hardcover arrived a couple days ago, finally got around to reading it. Another blatant example of Punisher inclusion for cameo and marketing reasons as opposed to actual story contribution. He blows up a wall and throws out some quips, big deal. Biggest waste since I bought The List Hardcover only for it to contain The same Punisher story I had just read in the Frank Castle Hardcover. Balls. Looking forward to Max Volume 6 though, the final set of three post-Ennis The Punisher Max stories before it became PunisherMax. I already bought them in TPB because I figured since they weren't Ennis they wouldn't get over-sized hardcover treatment. More money sacrificed to the comic god of death Marvel's been known to force a double dip on loyal readers before. They're very good about letting you know what's in their collected editions, but the single issues, especially anniversary issues, can often be stacked with reprint material loyal readers already have in one form or another. Speaking of Frank Castle and superheroes, I'm interested in what they'll do with the Punisher in Heroes for Hire. The creators said that Frank will be working with the team, but he'll only be used as a weapon of last resort. I like that idea; for the superheroes, Frank Castle is the A bomb. I'm also interested to see how bad things have to get before they bring in the Punisher; it has to be a situation so dire that the cast of Heroes for Hire will have to agree that having the death of every bad guy involved on their collective conscience is better than defeat.
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I'd be curious to know what the writer does to explain the reasoning behind that. In 616 Marvel, Punisher's a very wanted man, isn't he? If Heroes For Hire is a legit org, how are they supposed to get away with having a wanted criminal on their team?
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picosecond posted:I'd be curious to know what the writer does to explain the reasoning behind that. In 616 Marvel, Punisher's a very wanted man, isn't he? If Heroes For Hire is a legit org, how are they supposed to get away with having a wanted criminal on their team? The current Heroes for Hire isn't a legit group; it's very different from the Initiative era version. They're just very organized vigilantes at this point. Misty Knight, the team leader, hired Elektra to kill the head of a drug cartel in the first issue, but I think the only reason the Punisher hasn't been involved yet is Misty Knight's resistance to leaving a mountain of corpses in their wake. There is also a good in story reason for why Misty would go so far as to pay for the cartel leader's murder, but I don't want to spoil it/derail the Punisher talk. Having Frank murder every member of the drug cartel would probably tip off Misty's friends that something's wrong with her.
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Lasher posted:Speaking of Punisher; Infanticide he did kill a kid in an issued of Captain Marvel. Marvel, gone a bit loopy with galactic knowledge tried to learn some discipline from Frank and shows him what the kid of some mob boss was going to end up doing to him in the future. It's never explicitly said that he iced the kid, but it's there between the lines. In a Marvel Knights Punisher issue, Frank is in...somewhere in Europe, and is wondering how young is too young (to kill). He mentioned a 11 yr old (might be off a couple of yrs on the age) which he implied he killed (along the lines of preventing him from killing anyone in the future), so at least in 616 he has killed kids before.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:In a Marvel Knights Punisher issue, Frank is in...somewhere in Europe, and is wondering how young is too young (to kill). He mentioned a 11 yr old (might be off a couple of yrs on the age) which he implied he killed (along the lines of preventing him from killing anyone in the future), so at least in 616 he has killed kids before. He definitely killed a teenage gang member during Frank Miller's Daredevil run. It didn't slow down Frank at all; he was just disgusted that the enemy had started employing children. I'm sure that during his three tours in Vietnam, Frank had to kill more than a few Viet Cong who were barely old enough to shave.
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The Action Man posted:He definitely killed a teenage gang member during Frank Miller's Daredevil run. It didn't slow down Frank at all; he was just disgusted that the enemy had started employing children. I'm sure that during his three tours in Vietnam, Frank had to kill more than a few Viet Cong who were barely old enough to shave. He mentioned a little kid with a necklace made of ears that he killed in Vietnam in one of Ennis' issues.
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poptart_fairy posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yc-vm9BIA4&feature=related You forgot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6EKBWVQYRY
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Gavok posted:I don't see what's so bad about #58, but #51 definitely has its problems. More than anything, it's whoever did the coloring because everything's saturated to hell. Well I think the main point of Punisher Noir is that it sets us up with Frank Castle in the 30s, and he's in body and soul the Frank Castle we know. He's the one with the anger, the scars on his heart. But this Frank never lost his son, and he really, really doesn't want his son to go down the same path he did. But then, Frank Castle is the one who gets killed. And despite this traumatic event... his son isn't a hard man like dear old dad. He's just a kid, even when he begins his career. He patterns himself after a radio vigilante because it's the only way he can even bring himself to do what he does. This guy sort of inherits the mantle of revenge from his dad, and the whole story he's just taking out his dad's enemies. To me that was him sort of putting that endless rage, the war that never dies in Frank Castle's heart, to rest. And once that's done, he figures out who HE wants to be. It's kind of an awesome story if you just go and assume that had things been slightly different, 1930s frank castle would have been cursed to follow the same path his other incarnations have. But here, his love for his son saves himself, and the curse doesn't pass on. His son is free, in his own hosed up way. At least that's how I dug on it.
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Noir is a decent What If yarn, makes me wish some of the other big ones like What If Punisher became Venom or if Punisher killed Daredevil got the same expanded treatment. I enjoyed the Noir-ification of the villains more than the Castle family. Noir Punisher does not gently caress around when it comes to wildlife though. How many tales involve a rhino running afoul of a hand grenade?
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Darth Ronson posted:You forgot You've been forked.
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Darth Ronson posted:You forgot Somehow it that music feels very wrong when the thug screams out that he just got married and Frank gets a flashback to his own family.
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I've never so much as given Punisher a passing thought before this thread, but on your good word I checked out Ennis' Max run and now he's pretty much my favorite character. I can't believe I put it off for so long, but wow, amazing stuff. Anyone know what kind of research Ennis does for the technical aspects of his books? I figure some of the Irish stuff is from growing up around it, but the detail he'd go into for some of the military plotlines seemed more than just a passing exposure.
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Donde Esta posted:I've never so much as given Punisher a passing thought before this thread, but on your good word I checked out Ennis' Max run and now he's pretty much my favorite character. I can't believe I put it off for so long, but wow, amazing stuff. Anyone know what kind of research Ennis does for the technical aspects of his books? I figure some of the Irish stuff is from growing up around it, but the detail he'd go into for some of the military plotlines seemed more than just a passing exposure.
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redbackground posted:Ennis is a stone-cold war junkie. Pretty sure most of his work will include something on 'Naam and something on the Irish Troubles specifically.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Pretty sure most of his work will include something on 'Naam and something on the Irish Troubles specifically. I dunno, it's kind of like calling the BP oil spill an "accident". An accident is spilling your coffee at work. Sorry for the derail, carry on. 
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Xenomrph posted:Pretty off-topic, but it always seemed weird to me that it was called the "Troubles". Like, troubles is getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar as a kid, or forgetting to study for a test. What was happening in Northern Ireland seemed to exceed that word by a fair margin. It's as inaccurate as calling the Punisher a vigilante when he's really a serial killer.
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The Action Man posted:It's as inaccurate as calling the Punisher a vigilante when he's really a serial killer. Reminds me of Up Is Down And Black Is White where one of the mayor's advisors tries to call what Frank does as terrorism and gets shot down pretty quickly.
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The Action Man posted:It's as inaccurate as calling the Punisher a vigilante when he's really a serial killer. What's your reasoning on that one? Textbook definition of vigilante seems to apply more directly to The Punisher than serial killer does. I could even see arguing equivalency, but more serial killer than vigilante? How? The compulsion side?
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Alhazred posted:Reminds me of Up Is Down And Black Is White where one of the mayor's advisors tries to call what Frank does as terrorism and gets shot down pretty quickly. Crazy coincidence, I was just thinking about that story like a half hour ago. Specifically, I was thinking about that line the arc is named after: "Up is down, black is white. One day you wake up and see that's how the world really is." Armchair psychiatric analysis of the Punisher must be my hobby, because whenever I consider the character I try & think about what might be going on inside his head. That quote occurred to me and I think it could say a lot about how Punisher's mind works. (You know, if he were real and stuff.)
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