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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
^ Haha, okay I'm definitely reading this one to the end.

Duke of Straylight posted:

That was so beautiful. She (Jessy Kang) comes in and describes exactly how how hard it is to get into the market and stay in it, how terrible a job running a porn site really is, and why the OP is exactly the wrong kind of person and doing exactly the wrong things to get started. OP reads this, doesn't understand half of it, and thinks she is trying to get hired (???). Later on she actually even gets into posting about business ideas, I basically know nothing about the industry beyond what I just read in her posts, but at least they seem a hell of a lot more interesting than the OP's.

Basically, anyone who's still reading this should go to http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20984.0 and search for all of Jessy Kang's posts. She stops posting after the fourth page so you can ignore the rest of the thread.

How can I stop at page 4? It ends with the OP, who has expressed disbelief that he won't be able to pay a flat rate for unlimited bandwidth like he does for DSL saying:

quote:

Ever thought of us just simply self hosting it? I def have the connection, and the power to host it myself if it comes down to it..

Even the people over there who see that he is an idiot are also assholes themselves:

quote:

I'm a professional web dev and I've lost count of the number of times I've been approached by someone with a great idea that's going to be the next facebook and as long I can work for free I can have a little cut. I would do it if she asked me, I don't give my respect to whores easily but she earned it in one post and built on it in every one that followed. You on the other hand have shown yourself to be petulant with an out of control ego. If you want to succeed don't take all advice as criticism and when it is criticism listen to it instead of getting defensive. There's something to be learned even from the most unjustified of criticism.

Christ, the guy spends the entire thread attacking someone trying to give him good free advice like, "You will need to hire a professional to harden the security for your site" and by the end the site he has held up an example of why he is so skilled he doesn't need that poo poo has already been hacked by someone obviously just trying to prove the point and he still doesn't get it.

She wasn't even trying to tell him bitcoin was stupid or anything, she seems to think it has a valid use in the adult industry, she was just trying to tell him what that was. Essentially he was trying to open a hamburger joint focused on bitcoin and the CEO of McDonald's was telling him about the burger industry and he called her a troll. No matter what currency you are accepting, you still have to be better at running a hamburger joint than the competition because they can easily take bitcoin too if it is ever logical to do so.

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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

eschaton posted:

A lot of door to door and MLM scams instill exactly the attitude that the OP in that thread had, that success requires isolating yourself from "negative influences" such as people offering constrictive criticism or realistic assessments of your plans. They do this, of course, to keep people in the scam longer.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the OP of that thread has been taken by multiple "sure-thing" MLM scams before - and blames either himself or "negative influences" for his failure to succeed rather than the fact that they're scams and not designed for his success, only that of the people running them.

Sounds like something else, too, doesn't it?

Wow, his personality really did scream MLM, I'm surprised I didn't notice that before. The complete disregard for the skills of people who are actually successful in business is a hallmark. It's why he can't take professional advice, he really is convinced all you need to do is believe.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Basically a religious Libertarian is the type who will tell you private charities will do what the social safety net does. They regard taxation as theft, and Jesus never told you to steal from others to give to charity.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Chaos Motor posted:

Probably because they know they would lose, as their primary argument is "shut up" and the standard anti-libertarian arguments are abject failures.

You're right, you win. Now back to the Bitcoins.

Atlas is offering to repay anyone he has ripped off:

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29439.0

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

bosschair posted:

Well, you fuckers finally made me do it. I signed up at bitcoin forums.

Enjoy being logged into the forums for four hours before you can post. (via auto refresh)

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Posters on Bitcoin forums don't have to pay to post, they get paid by the post. That's how you know they are better.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Atlas posted:

This would never happen under sound, private incentive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4JOjcDFtBE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmWbV_YkQT0&feature=related

THEY COULDN'T AFFORD IT.

However, when you can waste money like no tomorrow, who gives a gently caress?

https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=29707.0

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

theflyingorc posted:

The thing is, nobody who actually understands the situation will participate in a scam like that.

Well, scammers will. It's good money if you get in at the top of the pyramid.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

theflyingorc posted:

Well, yeah - pyramid schemes work by tricking idiots into thinking they're scamming everyone else, but they are not being scammed. Only the earliest adopters understand the situation fully.

It's not always about making people think they are scamming everyone else, sometimes it's about making people think they are helping everyone else.

http://www.sacmag.com/Sacramento-Magazine/March-2004/Sacramento-Women-Women-Helping-Women/

quote:

What makes the story so captivating is that the vast majority of the WHW lawbreakers were pillars of the community: nurses, teachers, lawyers, state workers, church leaders and, in Janet’s case, a prominent business owner. The fact that these women eagerly and willingly plunked down a whopping total of roughly $12 million in cold, hard cash to take part in the risky scheme that could have landed them in prison for five years has been well-recorded by the media. What has never been fully explored is why it happened—and why it is highly likely that it will happen again soon.

It's really messed up when people go in knowingly. Scammers, somewhat irrationally considering rates of violent crime, piss me off more than any other type of criminal.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
He is talking about violence towards bitcoin forum members.

quote:

You seriously don't know about the violence SA has done to forum members ? Bitcoinmedia is having his family threatened by SA members!

Still not actual violence, but there ya go.


rainingbitcoins posted:

Standard of proof required for trolls: court documents not good enough, signed confession maybe?

Standard of proof required for bbit: forum post from crazy guy who got banned for threatening SA members

Heh.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

SpaceMost posted:

I read through that article and I have a hard time taking issue with the WHW thing. I mean, it's not like Bruce promising to help people in dire straights and then making off with their money. WHW seems like it was pretty honest from the beginning, with the only duplicitous part being that these women didn't know what they were doing was illegal. Which is undeniably bad and awful and I feel bad that these women got caught up in legal trouble, but WHW is way less heinous than the stuff Bruce pulled.

I'm not sure they really understood what they were doing, or that 90% of them were going to lose money. Most of these schemes involve a lot of emotional manipulation. Like with the MLM, it's about making people think they know what is going on when they really don't. The libertarian bitcoin types who have no actual business experience are ripe for this kind of thing, just flatter them a little about how smart and independent they are. WHW did the same thing with convincing women they were empowering themselves to be financially independent from men.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

The Bible posted:

Bush is a goon.

I dunno, seems like more of a Fark guy. Maybe Cheney.

quote:

At the present moment in time, is there anyone posting on bitcointalk who is not currently trolling?

We are in Poe's Law territory.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Sneakums posted:

bitrebel has to be a troll. There's no way he thinks a forum with 150K+ registered users is in anyway secret or Masonic.

If he isn't a troll, then :wtc:.

I figure he is a troll but not necessarily from here...unless a member reads the forums logged out for some reason why would you notice so quickly everything went private?

v I didn't see anyone talking about it until after he made his posts, could check the times I guess.

e: This is the first time I think it comes up, and it is quoting about the freemason shutdown.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3413928&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=487#post395088279

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Manbearpig? Sounds like he's running out of steam, really.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
He hasn't posted in a while, I'm afraid the Mason cleanup crews finally silenced to him.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

amicute posted:

What?

The cleanup crews have taken over the account before disposing of the target, bitrebel is now compromised.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Lolie posted:

http://www.metafilter.com/107065/Bruce-Wagner-and-the-Bitcoin-Scam

At least now Mefites will be able to share some of the blame for trolling the Bitcoin forums.

I'm kind of disappointed to see several true believers on Mefi.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

FCKGW posted:

There's actually a really loving good comment on there. Gonna put on buttcoin later.

http://www.metafilter.com/107065/Bruce-Wagner-and-the-Bitcoin-Scam#3901841

Heh, thanks for pointing it out. I did a TLDR on it first time around.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Heh.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Note the period after Wagner and the post count of 5?

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Three Olives posted:

Zero, they defended Bruce and said the believe his empirically untruthful version of what happened at Bold Funding. The entirety of the bitcoin community are deluded idiots or fraudsters themselves.

Is there a link for their defense of him?

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
For 10 btc I can sell you my plans for a GPU made entirely of balsa wood, don't hammer too hard though.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

spidoman posted:

I'm pretty amazed that people are still believing he's for real; he's definitely another troll.

An amusing one though. Watching this all go down is like watching a work of performance art or collaborative fiction come together. :suspense:

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

bitrebel posted:

Actually, Alcoholics Anonymous is a subset of Freemasonry. Their 12 step program, is called the 12 step program for a reason. 12 is a powerful number. Freemasons recognize this fact. The sun passes through 12 houses of the zodiac. Jesus had 12 disciples. There are 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night in a 24 hour day. There are 12 steps in the pyramid in the symbol of the great seal designed by the Freemasons and taken from the seal of the Illuminati in Bavaria in 1776. The 13th step is the eye, or the apex, the capstone.
The symbol for AA is a circle with a triangle inside it. That's very basic occultism for you. So occult that you never knew that it was a subset of Freemasonry.

It's a troll. A great one, but this is artificial crazy.


I guess if you want to believe though, most of the crazy people I've met IRL very much dislike and distrust alcohol and drug treatment programs, for obvious reasons.

e2: And for an example you may be more familiar with, think of how paranoid Kevin the dollfucker was of his halfway house.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
"As the revelations of your past crimes have been widely broadcasted in the bitcoin community, what does your future hold and how do you expect anyone to trust you?"

"In the future, do you have any plans to continue engaging in sex tourism?"

"Going forward, are you going to offer any more statements on the MyBitcoin situation?"

"What does the future hold for your ongoing legal cases and previous unpaid judgments?"

He doesn't have to talk about his past at all!

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

quote:

And when a "runner" gets stopped by the police and charged for possession of illegal drugs...? Do these people think anything through for 5 minutes before posting about it?

This is when it is argued the anonymous delivery system that was built to replace the oppressive government post office deserves all the same protections as the oppressive government post office. You wouldn't charge a mailman with this, would you?

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
You guys better be right about bitcoin, or I just made a terrible mistake.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Lolie posted:

Bitplane just asked in IRC whether the forums are on a separate server than the main site. Someone told him yes but didn't tell him that server is now controlled by MtGox.

Thank you furiousxgeorge. Wonder if they'll pick up on the significance of your comment.

Well my comment was just implying the value of the bitcoins would be under $100, pla had to go and spill the beans that anyone who actually took the bet and expected it to be followed through on was looking at a guaranteed 250% profit if they bought the coins today.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

So, umm why would someone spend actual money (or bitcoins) to acquire bitcointalk? what possible value could it have?

Didn't you read that forum post?

quote:

We have just witnessed potentially quiet transfer of 100 000$ asset of Bitcoin Community to a mtgox. The terms of the deal are unknown and the best guess is that the price is fixing of a trivial exploit.

What a bargain! Steal of the century! I assume most of the value is tied up in the sale of the naming rights to Bill Cosby.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

jisforjosh posted:

I know its a pseudonym but if this was actually the case goddamn

Bitcoin is actually an algorithm designed to perpetually generate humor. He figured out Psychohistory too, but this is more fun.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Cosbycoin Talk is back online, minus the Cosby.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42572.0

quote:

On September 3, an attacker used a 0-day exploit in SMF to gain administrative access to the forum. This went unnoticed until September 9, when he inserted some annoying JavaScript into all pages. The forum was at this point shut down.

The attacker was capable of running arbitrary PHP code, and he could have therefore copied all password hashes and read all personal messages. He also could have done all of the things that admins can normally do, such as editing/deleting/moving posts.

Passwords

It is not known for sure that the attacker copied any password hashes, but it should be assumed that he did.

SMF hashes passwords with SHA-1 and salts the hash with your (lowercase) username. This is unfortunately not an incredibly secure way of hashing passwords.

The password you used on the forum should be assumed to already be compromised if your password had:
- Less than 16 characters, numbers only
- Less than 12 characters, lowercase only
- Less than 11 characters, lowercase+numeric
- Less than 10 characters, lowercase+uppercase
- Less than 9 characters, lowercase+uppercase+numbers
- Less than 8 characters, all standard characters

If you have only 2-3 more characters than what I listed above, then you should assume that your password will be compromised at some point in the future.

No matter how strong your password was, it is a good idea to change your password here and wherever else you used it.

Database state

Backups exist of the previous database state, but it has been decided to continue with the latest state to avoid losing thousands of posts. If you notice that any posts are missing or changed, let me know.

Also, it's possible that the attacker took control of some accounts. If you are being impersonated, email me and I'll reset your password to its previous value.

More attack info

The attacker first paid for a donator account so he could change his displayed username. The displayed username field is not escaped properly, so he was able to inject SQL from there. He took over Satoshi's account, and from Satoshi's administrative interface he was able to inject arbitrary PHP code by modifying the style template.

The attacker probably used these user accounts, though his level of access would allow him to forge this data:
brad
EconomicOracle
Economic Oracle
SwimsuitPaul
BitcoinsInMyLoins

He probably used these IP addresses:
74.242.208.159
74.242.205.69
152.14.219.223
152.14.247.62
74.242.205.161
74.242.206.245
74.242.208.159
74.242.235.132
98.69.157.69
98.69.160.187
41.125.48.26
150.206.212.72

(Thanks to Mark Karpeles for finding most of this info.)

Change of hosting

Mark Karpeles is now hosting the forum's server. The forum is still owned by Sirius, as it has always been. There will be no policy changes.

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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Anybody looking for work?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42556.msg518237#msg518237

quote:

Now that hosting isn't a problem, I'm going to use the donation money to hire people to improve the forum. Maybe we'll move to some totally different forum software.

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

quote:

Also, against all logic, he has a mother. Please, kindly--ask her why. Just why.

We could probably do without contacting his mother.

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FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

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They're just finding out.

FCKGW posted:

This seems like a pretty lively place to talk about bitc..



http://bitcoinscene.org/showthread.php?6-ITT-Post-a-bit-about-yourself-thread

Fridge Midget posted:

I'm 27, living in Central Europe, as you may have guessed I'm vertically challanged, but I don't let that keep me down. I'm a sound engineer by trade but currently unemployed as the result of work place discrimination that is currently in tribunal so my lawyer says I can't say any more about that... On the side to make do I've currently started my own firm that makes carbon fibre components for racing bikes, it's a big risk but I should see some pay off Q1-2 2011...

I like Bitcoins obviously, music, snowboarding, travelling, and riding trains. I am currently watching the series Sons of Anarchy we don't get that on TV here so I'm still in season 1 but it's good!

So that's about me, how about you guys?