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Decrepus posted:Isn't Ed his boss and not his mom? I believe he's his daddy. His sugar daddy.
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Dre2Dee2 posted:Which is a bullet right between the eyes of this whole thing. Will it be ever possible to cash out with no charge for anything, not just bitcoins? I'm assuming no... If by "cash" you mean bitcoins, then yes!
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Jul 14, 2011 16:35
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Cardiovorax posted:Serious question, does anybody have an idea how the police would deal with this sort of stuff? It's not even proper bartering, because there's no actual thing being exchanged. It's basically like drug dealing on the honor system. How would you even go about seizing something like that, legally speaking? Do you mean specifically for drug dealing, or generally for BitCoins? If you mean for something criminal, then you would seize their assets. For the BitCoins themselves, you would probably just take away their computer and order them not to transfer their BitCoins. If they do, then you throw their asses in jail. Honestly, it's not too hard once you seize the person.
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Jul 15, 2011 00:47
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:"civil matter" Fraud could also be criminal, assuming you can get the Police/DA to pursue it once they finish laughing uproariously. Otherwise, it's a contract like any other. If the other side doesn't follow through, you sue them to either perform the promised service or to pay you damages. If you don't know who the other party is, though, then you're pretty hosed which is why anonymous transactions with no governing middleman that can handle enforcement are a bad idea.
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Jul 15, 2011 00:56
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Death Himself posted:When I want a chuckle I just think about all the people who bought a bunch of bitcoins when they were at >$20. And then I remember the pictures of them with their kids. Those poor, poor kids. http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/04/04/my_father_the_objectivist quote:What is objectivism? If you'd asked me that question as a child, I could have trotted to the foyer of my father's home and referenced a framed quote by Rand that hung there like a cross. It read: "My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute." As a little kid I interpreted this to mean: Love yourself. Nowadays, Rand's bit is best summed up by the rapper Drake, who sang: "Imma do me." New shoes? Sorry, but the government conspiracy destroyed all of Daddy's Bitcoins and your WHORE mother is suing me. Braces? Bitcoins. Happy Meal? Bitcoins.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Where do you buy a shirt like that? http://www.outofprintclothing.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=L-1010 I know Urban Outfitters used to stock them, so the rear end in a top hat emporium is correct.
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Jul 15, 2011 04:14
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fishmech posted:It's called "breaking laws" have you heard of it? Seriously this poo poo gets done all the time, billions of dollars a day. It's cool. You just pay a couple mil in fines, which seems like a lot but so long as you make more profit than fines it's just the cost of doing business. It's not like you'll ever go to jail or anything so long as you work for a big bank. http://www.financialtaskforce.org/2011/05/19/u-s-banks-picking-mexican-drug-cartels-side-in-the-u-s-s-war-on-drugs/ quote:For decades the U.S. has served as a safe haven for the ill-gotten finances of corrupt foreign leaders and their ilk. Former foreign government ministers, military leaders, and corrupt heads of state have mansions, businesses, and bank accounts here. The banks who facilitate much of these activities are required by law to conduct “due diligence” in determining the source of funds for these “politically exposed persons,” but compliance is spotty.
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Jul 15, 2011 07:26
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Lolie posted:The latest from Atlas : Every time I feel like Atlas has hit peak retard, he tops himself. I am truly impressed.
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Jul 15, 2011 07:27
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Unguided posted:But I thought Bartcoins were a safe currency. "Dollars? We don't use those anymore." "Well, you better get some or else your dumb rear end is going to jail and the king's men will burn your hovels to the ground." "Whaaat!?" Seriously, this is the basis of a fiat currency. "Full faith and credit" relates to the government's ability to levy taxes to pay its debts.
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Jul 16, 2011 03:29
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Angela Christine posted:I think he plans to be independently wealthy by then. One of his great ideas won't have hidden pitfalls (read: bloody obvious pitfalls) and he will get rich overnight. If we could somehow find a way to make money based on his stupidity, then we would be rich because that particular measure is going up UP UP! I mean the guy just followed up his "sell weapons for bitcoins on the internet" idea with the thought that individuals should be allowed to have weapons of mass destruction on the basis that it would be an unfair government monopoly if only terrorists were allowed to have them. The multi-layered stupid in that statement, which follows hot on the heels of something so stupid I was wondering how it could be topped, is mesmerizing. I am on edge to see when the stupid bubble pops.
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Jul 16, 2011 05:45
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homeless snail posted:I think the key thing you're neglecting to realize is no one wants to argue with a libertarian. Seriously. It's like saying you're a pussy for not wanting to wrestle a piss-covered bum.
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Jul 16, 2011 22:52
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Gerblyn posted:No, it's the Daily Mail, so it fits in with the typical, foaming at the mouth, right wing, populist agenda. Stating that a small minority who abuse the welfare system is indicative of its failure, is equivalent to stating that Bernard Madoff is indicative of the failure of free market capitalism. Ah, yes, the Daily Mail. Truly a beacon for fine journalism. 
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Jul 16, 2011 22:58
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JDanielS posted:This is hilarious because I learned about Shaka Zulu and his ability to frustrate British forces because of his charismatic organization of troops and allocation of resources which required the support of the local population. To be fair, Shaka Zulu was king of a kingdom, and he had taxation, too. That said, small, tight-knit communities of mostly related individuals in societies with limited accumulation of property, low social stratification are pretty cool. A network of close personal relationships would allow for a social safety net to develop informally, along with most other aspects of governance. Unfortunately, the moment your little society gets any bigger than a few hundred people or when particular power groups such as clans start accumulating property, then you'll have a problem.
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Jul 17, 2011 00:00
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Delthalaz posted:The reason you can't go and buy penicillin whenever you feel that you need it is because if everyone did this it would gently caress up the world for everyone by creating super-bacteria. Seriously, how do libertarians solve the tragedy of the commons? It's an incredibly basic problem that really can't be solved without some sort of central arbiter with enforcement powers i.e. a government. The same goes for things like property rights or contracts. In other words, all the poo poo that libertarians love and obsess about.
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Jul 17, 2011 00:02
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Whenever anyone talks about "free markets," I mentally substitute the word "good" or "well regulated" for "free" and all of a sudden it makes sense.
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Jul 17, 2011 00:05
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Believing in the free market is like believing that the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus exist: childish. It's like saying that if the Santa in the mall was just fatter and jollier and had a bigger beard, then eventually if he was Santa enough he would become magic and everyone would get free toys.
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Jul 17, 2011 00:09
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Yes, I think this is Tux. Those bitcoin fanatics are defiling Tux! Man, classic tux is so much better than crystal tux in every way. 
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Jul 17, 2011 00:31
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chaosbreather posted:Of course, back on Earth, the only way for societies and economies to get better - to develop the Ice-9 to the current systems' water, if you will - is the same way anything else does: the scientific method. Hypothesises must be formed and tested through experimentation. It's a bit difficult at the moment because governments like continuing, in fact that is their sole purpose: to provide continuity and stability, and worse, that there are ethical questions to experimenting on large populaces. I fully support firing all libertarians into space. No need to wait for the habitats.
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Jul 17, 2011 03:20
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AuMaestro posted:This is pseudo-history, but Jared Diamond has suggested that the failure of the Norwegian Greenland colony was essentially the result of libertarianism. The owners of the land instructed their employees to concentrate on the wool industry instead of gathering food, and as soon as the weather turned from marginal to genuinely bad they all died. Dunno, that just sounds like they were being foolishly selfish and short-sighted. Oh waiiiit
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Jul 17, 2011 03:23
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Herpus posted:I was playing New Vegas and all of a sudden everything ground down to a halt. Lo and behold I had eight different processes helpfully called bitcoin-miner.exe running and a hidden folder with a buttcoin mining app in it. You should probably report that to the proper security groups. What's the procedure for doing something like that?
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Jul 17, 2011 23:31
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Chronojam posted:This is ironic because New Vegas itself has a good example of lack of government versus government. On the strip, if you shoot somebody, the robots will punish you. In the libertarian wastes, if you shoot somebody, you now profit from all of their guns and money-- and are more capable when it comes to taking the next guy's guns and money. So you were basically playing proof against the miner's ideas. What should be the term for an ideology that advocates for a system of government based on the cold, logical rule of computers and robots? A technotarian? A cyber-facist? Inquiring minds want to know! A government of robot laws, not men. Hmm, what was it called in V for Vendetta?
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drunken officeparty posted:As I was reading Wikipedia to see if this was the case, I realized I've mostly just been injecting my own thoughts into what I kind of knew what Objectivism is. I still stand by my arguments, they just need a different name No offense, dude, but instead of sitting around reinventing the wheel how about maybe going out and actually learning about philosophy? I know this book is a popular introductory text, and it should be in the library or whatever: http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Passion_of_the_western_mind.html?id=fxCNQwAACAAJ and here I just grabbed the first introductory student-looking thing on google that was free: http://www.akat.com/MeaningOfLove/introeth.htm Because, seriously, philosophy is an extremely large and complicated subject that isn't really something you can learn from Wikipedia and asking people really basic questions on the internet.
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Cardiovorax posted:So's screwing each other over when you think you can get away with it. Cooperation is the human survival strategy, but politicking to be the top monkey is how we get to reproduce. Chimpanzees steal from each other, fight each other and even outright conspire against each other. Objectivism appeals to that "angry monkey" part of you. The development of almost all other technologies is dependent on the storage and transmission of information, energy, and the ability to work together towards common ends. You literally cannot live alone as a human being. The big problem, of course, is that empathy only really works for personal interactions, and can break down in a large modern society where very few people actually personally interact with or know each other. Also, empathy can be "hacked" and disabled depending on things like in-group loyalties and the like. That's why we need more sophisticated systems of governance for any group larger than small tribal bands, where informal social networks can resolve almost all disagreements.
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aehiilrs posted:Here you go! Text-only but possibly What the gently caress is this? Do I even want to know what this is all about?
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Jul 24, 2011 01:35
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Elysiume posted:Every appliance is a cyborg. Then, I mean that shirt can't actually be directly related to that story, right?  I mean what kind of moron would actually wear a shirt like this? 
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Jul 24, 2011 01:41
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Delthalaz posted:I think the poly-atheism image is pretty funny. NOPE
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Jul 24, 2011 01:45
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Eox posted:Screw everything else, I would wear a shirt with just 'Nope' on it Actually, I could get behind this
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Jul 24, 2011 14:48
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GidgetNomates posted:The joke of that comic is that bitcoin is a useless currency where you have a window of all of 5 minutes to get bitcoins at a specific price because they're so goddamn unstable. Also you can't pay your taxes in them or indeed pay for anything of value at all except for Slim Jims and nerd t-shirts. That comic is as transparent and absurd a wish fulfillment fantasy as the ones with mysterious animu girlfriends that love you or magically turning into a woman.
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Bash Ironfist posted:It's not just the U.S. My cousin and two of his friends have been traveling for the past 8 months through Europe, just backpacking and seeing the sights. They carry credit cards, but not cash. They went to enter England, but my cousin's two friends were denied, as the officals thought they were trying to enter to work, because they only had like 100 dollars on them. Even though they explained they used their credit cards. And yet if you carry too much cash, they think you're a drug dealer. Just wait till the Bitconomy comes around... you'll all get yours  raar big governmeeeeent
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Jul 25, 2011 20:52
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Dre2Dee2 posted:How can you produce something that has no practical use, isn't a physical object, and has a maximum quantity arbitrarily predetermined Bitcoins aren't produced. They're discovered.
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Jul 25, 2011 21:48
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Devian666 posted:Reading about something this incredibly stupid when it comes to dealing with significant amounts of money never surprises me when it relates to bitcoins. Hey, knowing the users, that dumb story will probably buy him enough time to sell all the bitcoins and move on to his next scam with nary a problem. The user base is already so used to unreasonable delays and mind-boggling incompetence that it'll probably take months for some of them to realize that they've been had after their emails asking where the money is start bouncing.
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Jul 31, 2011 18:36
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NihilCredo posted:Because all of those are centralised servers under the control of a single entity, and if they decide to be dicks (like PayPal does all the time), or if the law orders them to be (whether because you're a drug dealer or a freedom fighter), your funds can be frozen or otherwise made unavailable to you in a blink and you can do jack squat about it. Except the basic problem of any peer-to-peer service: if you control or compromise enough peers, you can manipulate the service. Also, the anonymity of the transactions themselves are actually in some ways extremely weak compared to cash because as soon as you learn someone's identity (by, say, speaking with them before a transaction), you can trace all of their transactions under that account since all transaction records are public by design. This means you could easily start assembling a network of accounts linked by transactions to that person and thus figure out quite a lot. While the technical implementation is interesting, there's not really any real new ground being broken here and the feature set itself is based on some false premises about what would actually be desirable in a new currency.
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Well, just in case, I and a few others have figured out where their studio is located based on the shots out the window.
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Anubis posted:Yep, the only way around it is to either verify customers somehow. But even then, online poker did that and still had a fairly large amount of chargeback issues. See? This is why Bitcoin doesn't have chargebacks. Those drat dirty consumers.
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Aug 2, 2011 23:04
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Computer viking posted:Ha, I thought of her immediately as well. She also wrote an interesting article where she rails against the pressure on cancer patients to always think positive. Choice quote: My favorite quotes on the subject: quote:No employer would ever admit to passing her over because she was missing that radiant, tooth-filled smile that Americans have been taught to prize as highly as their right to vote. Caroline had learned to smile with her whole face, a sweet look that didn’t show her gums, yet it came across as wistful, something less than the thousand-watt beam of friendly delight that the culture requires. Where showing teeth was an unwritten part of the job description, she did not excel. quote:A “cheerful attitude” and laughing are tactics employed by all Americans, at an unconscious, even genetic level. Though many Americans privately know that one’s own smile is an attempt to put the other party at ease rather than a reflection of one’s own inner happiness, publicly, this is rarely admitted. Thus few of us know how many other Americans also force this desperate smile—we all think we’re the only ones faking it. These smiles are more like mammal calls used to identify the individual with the herd, to keep from being expelled. These calls that have to be repeated and repeated: you can’t just recite the backslapping platitudes once and you’re off the hook— as mammals, the office herd requires you to send out the correct marking signals every single day, every hour. It can be exhausting and humiliating. Yet the consequences of not constantly reminding everyone how normal you are range from getting placed on the slow-track to being first on the plank when the next downsizing diktat arrives from headquarters. In my own experience, this cheerfulness, this desperate smile, is one of the most corrosive features to daily life in America, one of the great alienators—a key toxic ingredient in the cultural poison. edit: one more quote:Cruel and callous when on top, and afraid and smiling all the way to the grave when not — that pretty much sums up the post-Reagan zeitgeist. And if you’re not just as cheerful as the rest, “you’ve got some personal problems.” You’re a weirdo if you complain. It’s your own fault if you’re traumatized by a massacre. It’s your own fault if you’re poor. It’s your own fault if you get downsized, overworked, bullied, and fail. Get over it. This is how Americans have been taught from the Reagan era through today to deal with people who are vulnerable: blame them for their own suffering. Move on. And if they don’t move on, that means they’re weird. Tell them to get over it. Which is to say, “Get the gently caress out of my face.”
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Cardiovorax posted:Thanks, that was interesting. This whole "never ever feel bad about anything ever" cultural attitude these days really weirds me out.
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The Bible posted:Oh, I'm not weeping for him, I meant its really more disturbing than anything. Its just so pathetic, for exactly the reasons you stated. http://lesswrong.com/lw/gz/policy_debates_should_not_appear_onesided/ quote:We live in an unfair universe. Like all primates, humans have strong negative reactions to perceived unfairness; thus we find this fact stressful. There are two popular methods of dealing with the resulting cognitive dissonance. First, one may change one's view of the facts - deny that the unfair events took place, or edit the history to make it appear fair. Second, one may change one's morality - deny that the events are unfair.
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Aug 4, 2011 16:17
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The-Mole posted:Although that has absolutely nothing to do with the UABB, that particular project was a fabulous experiment in Korean society in regards to academic standards and I would love to discuss it openly if anyone actually cared. Since you asked, I have to say that you are in fact wrong in regards to the failed track record. We succeeded in everything we set out to do. We sent numerous students to America without TOEFL/SATs (before we existed, it was believed this was impossible, and thus we have set a precedence in Korea and all of Asia). We provided a quality, and US regionally/nationally accredited curriculum through partnerships with numerous American institutions and helped numerous Korean families broaden their outlooks and open themselves to a world larger than their minimalist and inwardly focused Korean society. Matthew N Wright, folks. [/quote] Dude's an English teacher who doesn't know the difference between "precedent" and "precedence". Also, he's never actually gone to college. Impressive.
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Furious Mittens posted:Sure he has, at such prestigious institutions as Buxton University (Diploma Mill) and Andrew Jackson University (Non-Accredited). He's also claimed he's going to the University of Liverpool for his Masters, undoubtedly they were impressed with his transcripts from those stellar undergraduate institutions! The best part is how, after being scammed the first time, he reports that poo poo to the korean police and considers this "consulting with international law enforcement agencies." Buxton University VERY MISLEADING
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Furious Mittens posted:So he signs up for a degree mill (pretty obvious when they ask what loving degree you want on your diploma), receives his mail in diploma, calls the police, acknowledges it as a scam and still says he has a Bachelors from that institution. Then proceeds to sign up for another unaccredited institution.... No, dumber than that - he uses the fake credentials to get a visa and then after entering the country turns around and tells them that it's all a scam.
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