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Is Orson Scott Card's origin for Tony Stark from his mini-series still canon? The one where he was born blue and it turned out he was basically a solid mass of undifferentiated brain matter or whatever? I thought that was a cool idea, but I'm not even sure I finished reading the mini, and even if I had it was so long ago that I can't remember.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:22
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Paper Triangle posted:Is Orson Scott Card's origin for Tony Stark from his mini-series still canon? The one where he was born blue and it turned out he was basically a solid mass of undifferentiated brain matter or whatever? I thought that was a cool idea, but I'm not even sure I finished reading the mini, and even if I had it was so long ago that I can't remember. I am almost positive it was revealed as it was a fictional movie of his past. bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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Sep 1, 2011 01:24
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bobkatt013 posted:I am almost positive it was revealed as it was a finical movie of his origin. I love your avatar but I have to admit that I have no idea what this sentence means.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:26
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Paper Triangle posted:I love your avatar but I have to admit that I have no idea what this sentence means. Sorry my spelling sucks - In Ultimate Avengers vs. New Ultimates #2, the events of Ultimate Iron Man were retconned as only being a fictional movie of Stark's life. I have no problem with it since I hate the author of Ultimate Iron Man.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:31
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bobkatt013 posted:Sorry my spelling sucks - In Ultimate Avengers vs. New Ultimates #2, the events of Ultimate Iron Man were retconned as only being a fictional movie of Stark's life No sweat. That's actually pretty awesome as far as retcons go, and totally something I could see Stark doing to bolster his public image and further inflate his own ego.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:32
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It wasn't a movie actually. It was an unlicensed Japanese anime that Tony hates.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:36
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TheJoker138 posted:It wasn't a movie actually. It was an unlicensed Japanese anime that Tony hates. That's easily the best retcon explanation ever. I really liked the idea of the original Ultimate Iron Man suit (somewhere between man and jet fighter), but the brain-body thing was too out-there. Iron Man, like Batman, is about the idea that a biologically ordinary man can become amazing through his brainpower and his will (and billions of dollars, but let's ignore that), and making him some kind of human-shaped brain kind of took that away.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:47
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I liked the giant brainbaby thing but I've also been sort of an Orson Scott Card fanboy since middle school so that might be why. I think it being an anime he hates might be The Best Retcon though.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:54
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Paper Triangle posted:I liked the giant brainbaby thing but I've also been sort of an Orson Scott Card fanboy since middle school so that might be why. How can you like him? He is a horrible human being.
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Sep 1, 2011 01:55
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Yeah, no, I should clarify that. I hate him as a person, but I fell in love with Ender's Game in middle school and read all the sequels and tie-ins over the next few years.
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Sep 1, 2011 02:01
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Hey I haven't read a whole lot of Ultimate X-Men or most of the later volumes of Ultimates, so I'm just wondering: Did we ever see what happened to Liz Allen after she became a mutant and left to join Xavier's? She never shows up again in Ultimate Spider-Man, did she die in Ultimatum off panel or something? Oh and speaking of Ultimatum what was the thing Giant Man was rambling about when he insisted Tony take the half-eaten Wasp back into his lab? I think she showed up in the Reed Richards Doom series, but she wasn't in New Ultimates Vs. Avengers? Thanks in advance if anyone can clear this up for me.
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Sep 1, 2011 02:29
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:Hey I haven't read a whole lot of Ultimate X-Men or most of the later volumes of Ultimates, so I'm just wondering: Did we ever see what happened to Liz Allen after she became a mutant and left to join Xavier's? She never shows up again in Ultimate Spider-Man, did she die in Ultimatum off panel or something? Oh and speaking of Ultimatum what was the thing Giant Man was rambling about when he insisted Tony take the half-eaten Wasp back into his lab? I think she showed up in the Reed Richards Doom series, but she wasn't in New Ultimates Vs. Avengers? Thanks in advance if anyone can clear this up for me. Liz joined the X-Men and became Firestar. She also showed up in Ultimate X and joined Jean Grey's 'team' but who knows where that will go with the new Ultimate X-Men book. As for the Wasp thing, I think it may have been a hint toward possibly making a version of Jocasta, but my guess is that's off the table now.
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Sep 1, 2011 02:49
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:Hey I haven't read a whole lot of Ultimate X-Men or most of the later volumes of Ultimates, so I'm just wondering: Did we ever see what happened to Liz Allen after she became a mutant and left to join Xavier's? She never shows up again in Ultimate Spider-Man, did she die in Ultimatum off panel or something? Oh and speaking of Ultimatum what was the thing Giant Man was rambling about when he insisted Tony take the half-eaten Wasp back into his lab? I think she showed up in the Reed Richards Doom series, but she wasn't in New Ultimates Vs. Avengers? Thanks in advance if anyone can clear this up for me. That was a new wasp that showed up. She was introduced in Millar's new Ultimates.
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Sep 1, 2011 03:00
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There's also a red-haired Wasp on Marko Djurdjevic's Ultimate Fallout variant. She's either a brand new Wasp or he has no idea what any version of Janet Van Dyne looks like. Hell even the Red Wasp was blonde. I liked Ultimate Hawkeye but it does feel very much like a companion piece to the other Ultimate Comics. I'm glad they're going for a more unified universe but it should be allowed to stand on it's own (I'm impossible to please). As far as Spider-Man goes, the door is definitely cracked open for Peter or a version of Peter to return if the need be but that wouldn't happen for at least a few couple years. Making Miles 13 is probably meant to emphasize the mistakes the role models made in Peter's life. You can't stop them from doing what they're doing, the best you can hope for is prepare them for these situations so that he doesn't become another Peter Parker. It'll be interesting to see how the first villain reacts to realizing he's fighting a middle-schooler.
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Sep 1, 2011 06:04
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Kaleidoscope posted:It'll be interesting to see how the first villain reacts to realizing he's fighting a middle-schooler. Haha especially since Bendis said he's going fight some of Peter's old rogues. It's gonna be great when someone like Shocker who was flippin' out about constantly being bested by a 16 year old starts gettin' wrecked up by an even younger kid.
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Sep 1, 2011 06:21
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I just reread the actual Death of Spider-man issue, and I am not really clear. Did Osborn die too?
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Sep 1, 2011 06:56
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Kaleidoscope posted:There's also a red-haired Wasp on Marko Djurdjevic's Ultimate Fallout variant. She's either a brand new Wasp or he has no idea what any version of Janet Van Dyne looks like. Hell even the Red Wasp was blonde. That's how Janet looked in Ultimates 3. I know we'd all rather forget, but it did happen. Her hair was red and brown in that series. Depending in the issue/panel of your choice.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:06
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Micgael posted:I just reread the actual Death of Spider-man issue, and I am not really clear. Did Osborn die too? I thought so, but he's come back before so who knows.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:06
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No, he smiles at the end.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:06
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Did anything ever come about because of MJ's exposure to Oz? It seems like they were going to do something with it but it pretty quickly got dropped and never got any closure in USM. I know that Reed says he got rid of it BUT that's what everyone says about Norman/Harry and it never seemed to work with them. Also there was that one scene right after Kitty starts going to Peter's school where it looked like she was changing again.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:19
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No, nothing ever happened with it.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:20
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Deadpool posted:That's how Janet looked in Ultimates 3. I know we'd all rather forget, but it did happen. Her hair was red and brown in that series. Depending in the issue/panel of your choice. gently caress you're right. Ugh, goddamn that book. I really hope we don't see Osborn again for awhile. He's more Peter Parker's enemy than Spider-Man's and his revival was already half-assed as it is mostly serving as some poetic justification for the death of Spider-Man.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:22
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bobkatt013 posted:How can you like him? He is a horrible human being. You can like someone's work without liking the person, I don't think you've met every single person whose work you read.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:23
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JackDarko posted:You can like someone's work without liking the person, I don't think you've met every single person whose work you read. ya but his horrible opinions are included in his books and the person I asked this too clarified. Since he called himself a fanboy it read that he was a huge fan of him.
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Sep 1, 2011 07:29
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Deadpool posted:That's how Janet looked in Ultimates 3. I know we'd all rather forget, but it did happen. Her hair was red and brown in that series. Depending in the issue/panel of your choice. That was Joe Mad's everyone-is-caucasian style art to blame.
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Sep 1, 2011 08:35
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JackDarko posted:You can like someone's work without liking the person, I don't think you've met every single person whose work you read. Yeah, the problem with Orson Scott Card is that his opinions strongly color his work so it's hard to see how you could enjoy the author when so much of his stuff is in what he writes.
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Sep 1, 2011 13:31
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^burtle posted:No, he smiles at the end. I read here that (I think from Waterhaul) that he smiled most likely because he finally succeeded in killing his nemesis, but probably died. Also with that smile I think it ended USM with a similar panel to how it started... didn't it start with Osborn grinning?
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Sep 1, 2011 15:00
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JackDarko posted:You can like someone's work without liking the person, I don't think you've met every single person whose work you read. Definitely. Warren Ellis turned out to be kind of a dick when he posted here, but I still think Nextwave is one of the best things Marvel have published in years.
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Sep 1, 2011 15:08
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muscles like this? posted:Did anything ever come about because of MJ's exposure to Oz? It seems like they were going to do something with it but it pretty quickly got dropped and never got any closure in USM. I know that Reed says he got rid of it BUT that's what everyone says about Norman/Harry and it never seemed to work with them. Also there was that one scene right after Kitty starts going to Peter's school where it looked like she was changing again. That and the Gwen/Carnage line really dropped the loving ball on some interesting developments from the Clone Saga (and in a lesser way, Spider-Woman and Scorpion). But I guess we can't have our damsels in distress if they are capable of ripping people's guts out with their bare hands. It just comes across as some lovely WHAT A TWIST! to sell some extra numbers of the next issue and is then completely ignored/swept under a rug as quickly as possible. It feels like half of the plotlines and hooks started getting ignored around then and for a lot of issues up to where we are now. Which is weird because it's not like there's been a bunch of other writers kidnapping or dropping storylines. Is it a Bendis thing?
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Sep 1, 2011 16:38
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Myrddin Emrys posted:I read here that (I think from Waterhaul) that he smiled most likely because he finally succeeded in killing his nemesis, but probably died. Also with that smile I think it ended USM with a similar panel to how it started... didn't it start with Osborn grinning? Started with Osborn telling the tale of Arachne to an aid. He hands the aid a radioactive spider (er...OZ infected spider) and the aid puts it in a glass jar but doesn't shut the lid. That spider later escapes and bites Parker. EDIT: The MJ-Monster thing is like, one of only a few dropped plots. The rest is the stuff from the Ultimate Spidey videogame (which suggests Eddie Brock Sr tried on the Venom suit and caused the plane to crash). Everything else was pretty conclusively wrapped up. Scorpion-Pete still exists, but that's all that's really known. No real hints exist that it'd ever be followed up on. Spider-Woman still appeared in Ultimate Comics post-Ultimatum, but it was mostly in Ultimate Cash-In/Mystery. notthegoatseguy fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Sep 1, 2011 |
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Sep 1, 2011 17:55
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A question for someone who hasn't followed the Ultimate books for about five years: When did Ultimate Reed make a heel turn, so to speak? Is there a specific issue, or was it a gradual thing?
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Sep 1, 2011 18:21
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Bulgaroktonos posted:A question for someone who hasn't followed the Ultimate books for about five years: The heel turn was during Ultimate Doomsday which was a mini event that took place across Ultimate Enemy #1-4, Ultimate Mystery #1-4 and Ultimate Doom #1-4 between last year and this year. I think it was possible the last issue of Ultimate Mystery that reveals that it's Reed but it was something that was kind of apparent throughout the "event".
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Sep 1, 2011 18:42
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Waterhaul posted:The heel turn was during Ultimate Doomsday which was a mini event that took place across Ultimate Enemy #1-4, Ultimate Mystery #1-4 and Ultimate Doom #1-4 between last year and this year. I think it was possible the last issue of Ultimate Mystery that reveals that it's Reed but it was something that was kind of apparent throughout the "event". I liked that Ultimate Doom trilogy, but it did seem like they hadn't really set it up much. Nothing really in the Ultimate Fantastic Four title (at least for the 50 or so issues I read) would have indicated he'd snap like that. One thing that struck me throughout was how similar the giant tentacled purple thing that kept appearing in science buildings was to Watchmen. Even got your snapped super-genius behind the scenes pulling the strings to "save the world".
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Sep 1, 2011 19:53
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Straight Outta CompUSA posted:I liked that Ultimate Doom trilogy, but it did seem like they hadn't really set it up much. Nothing really in the Ultimate Fantastic Four title (at least for the 50 or so issues I read) would have indicated he'd snap like that. One thing that struck me throughout was how similar the giant tentacled purple thing that kept appearing in science buildings was to Watchmen. Even got your snapped super-genius behind the scenes pulling the strings to "save the world". The Ultimate FF/XMen Annual and Ultimate XMen/FF Annual (which are convoluted as gently caress and hard to tell exactly what's going on) hint that Reed does something to be bad and that he's replaced on the team after he kills Johnny or something like that. But I look at it like this: Ultimatum basically was a wake up call for Richards in that he couldn't just sit on the side lines and be reactionary to threats of the week. He needed to go out and proactively safe the world. That's what he thinks he's doing.
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Sep 1, 2011 20:04
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Oh yeah and he was all crazy in Ultimatum too! I forgot about that. You could definitely see the seeds of Ultimate Doom in that mini, especially the end. I really hated the idea of Ultimatum and the mini itself, but it definitely did provide for some pretty cool changes to the Ultimate universe. At least they didn't kill Peter off in the Ultimatum wave like they teased. Oh and did they ever follow up on Strange's demon orb thing releasing all that evil? I can't even remember if the FF managed to beat Dormammu or what.
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Sep 1, 2011 20:34
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Hulk literally punched all the evil back into it, and it was awesome.
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Sep 1, 2011 21:23
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notthegoatseguy posted:But I look at it like this: Ultimatum basically was a wake up call for Richards in that he couldn't just sit on the side lines and be reactionary to threats of the week. He needed to go out and proactively safe the world. That's what he thinks he's doing. Yes, that and Sue callously dumping him for a made up reason. Ultimate Sue is very intelligent, but also a pretty mean person.
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Sep 2, 2011 00:28
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invalid user posted:Do the baddies in the two Ultimate comics remind anyone of the first bad guys from the initial Authority run? If you think all Asians look the same, then yeah. Just kidding. Mostly. But no, I don't see a lot of similarities other than they're both Asian terrorist organizations.
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Sep 2, 2011 00:32
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LtKenFrankenstein posted:If you think all Asians look the same, then yeah. It was the ring symbol that did it for me. It's not a match, but was close enough to make me do a double take in conjunction with them being manufactured Asian superbeings.
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I have a bookshelf in one room that had all of my Ultimate Marvel TPBs on it. I had every single TPB that has come out so far with the exception of Ultimate Adventures, Ultimate Iron Man 1&2, and a few of the newer volumes. Today there was roof damage and water leakage above that room. All but 21 of the trades were completely ruined. Including every single one of my Ultimate Spider-Man trades. What an awful thing to come home to today. I'm about to have to spend a lot of money getting those books back. 
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