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I've played F/SN but only the first (Fate) route - should I do UBW now to finish "catching up" for F/Z? Also, are there multiple UBW endings? e: VVV Alright, on it. Holy gently caress, six endings  I had no idea.
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Fenrir posted:I've played F/SN but only the first (Fate) route - should I do UBW now to finish "catching up" for F/Z? Also, are there multiple UBW endings? Yes you should (HF too) and yes there are. Check the flowchart.
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Fenrir posted:I've played F/SN but only the first (Fate) route - should I do UBW now to finish "catching up" for F/Z? Also, are there multiple UBW endings? You need to play through UBW, but it's not nearly as important for F/Z as HF is, which is why I've been spoilertagging HF stuff but leaving UBW stuff untagged. And yeah, there's multiple endings, but the difference is pretty minor compared to HF (which technically has four endings, counting a bad end that doesn't kill Shirou or otherwise torture him, and a bad end that the game itself doesn't consider a bad end later on).
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Sep 30, 2011 01:23
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I honestly feel it's doing yourself a disservice to have slogged through the Fate route and not go through the UBW  and HF  routes.
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Sep 30, 2011 01:24
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ChronoReverse posted:I honestly feel it's doing yourself a disservice to have slogged through the Fate route and not go through the UBW Also, where is this flowchart? e: VVV Thanks! I never actually noticed that. Fenrir fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 30, 2011 |
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Sep 30, 2011 01:34
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Fenrir posted:Also, where is this flowchart?
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Sep 30, 2011 01:41
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Fenrir posted:drat. Guess I've got a lot to do. Please tell me I won't have to fast forward through stupid hentai scenes again at least? Can't you just skip them with the current English patches? If you want a more distilled version, there's the Seorin LP as well.
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Sep 30, 2011 01:47
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Don't fast-forward through them, especially in HF. I know it's cool to be repulsed to the point of vomiting your small intestine out by anything with characters getting mad rutty in it but Nasu's prose is beyond loving hilarious and not worth missing out on. That and if I'm remembering it correctly HF actually throws out plot points in mid-boning at times.
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Sep 30, 2011 02:52
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:As long as we don't bring up SHIKI, the worst of the Shiki's. How many Shikis are there, anyways? Let's see. SHIKI Tohno - True heir of Tohno family, went insane due to simultaneous possession by vampire and rousing of demonic blood. Total creep except in Kohaku's route and the past. Shiki Tohno - Protagonist of Tsukihime. Shiki Nanaya [Protagonist] - Shiki Tohno in "Nanaya mode", an efficient assassin ready to kill his target. Alternatively, the fusion of Shiki Tohno and Shiki Nanaya [Child] Shiki Nanaya [Child] - The original Shiki Nanaya who was pretty much erased from existence following the incident that drove SHIKI Tohno insane. Pops up in Ciel's Good ending. Shiki Nanaya [Nightmare] - Shiki Tohno's fear of what he could have become. As a concept he makes no sense, but that's too be expected from a nightmare. Appears in KT. Shiki Nanaya [Tatari] - Tatari taking the form of Shiki's greatest fear. Only appears in one ending of Melty Blood and immediately gets his rear end kicked. Shiki Nanaya [White Len] - The embodiment of Shiki Tohno's ever-illogical fear, manifested(?) and supported by White Len. Almost nothing like the actual Nanaya, but the most popular. Shiki Nanaya [Impostor] - A guy who could view the pasts of people saw Shiki Tohno's and went bug gently caress crazy. Shiki Ryougi - Protagonist of KnK. SHIKI Ryougi - Alternate, male personality of Shiki Ryougi. Dead. Shiki Ryougi [Personality 3] - The emptiness in Shiki Ryougi's head that used to be SHIKI Ryougi. Is pretty much God, but for some reason still low on the power tiers. Am I missing anyone? EDIT: gently caress it, I can't resist the urge to Nasu sperge. BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Sep 30, 2011 |
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quakster posted:I came into this thread hoping to figure out if this anime adaptation of a light novel prequel to a semi-erotic visual novel was as fun as whatever little I know about it suggested it would be and hoped to see goons confirm my suspicions but instead I got to slog through three pages of DBZ-esque powerlevel chat. ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki
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Shikis everywhere Shiking up this Shikiy thread. god it's hard enough keeping track of just a few of them, it gets so much more headache inducing when you try to bring in alternate versions and other personalities.....  After Mahoyo Type-Moon should make a game where everyone's name is Shiki obviously. quote:I've played F/SN but only the first (Fate) route - should I do UBW now to finish "catching up" for F/Z? Also, are there multiple UBW endings?  ) You can go back and check out the others later if you really want.
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Factor_VIII posted:ORT > Crimson Moon > Primate Murder > Zelretch > Gilgamesh > Arcueid ≥ Black Sakura > Berserker = Black Saber ≥ Saber > Lancer > Rider = Archer > Caster ≥ Aoko = Nrvnqsr = Kouma = Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou > Ciel ≥ Great Teacher Hassan (GTH) ≥ "Ryougi Shiki" > V Sion = AC Satsuki = R.Shiki = Bazett ≥ Akiha = Fujino = Araya ≥ Touko = Alba ≥ 18th Roa > > SHIKI = Kiri = Reinforced Kuzuki ≥ Sion = UBW Shirou > ha Avenger > Nanaya = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Leysritt > Satsuki ≥ Rio = Avalon Shirou > ha Sakura > Salaryman Dead = Ilya = Corpse ≥ Azaka ≥ Misayo > Kirie = Zombie ≥ Dragon Tooth Warrior ≥ Fuji-nee > Shinji > Fake Shiki I love that the list includes both ORT and Taiga. But I've only just noticed that it lists the Crimson Moon as being stronger than Zelretch!
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Well, Zelretch is getting older. Anyways, that list is really just a line to punch Shinji, with Fake Shiki holding him in place.
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Sep 30, 2011 09:10
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Can't wait for this to start airing, maybe this thread will have something worthwhile to talk about instead of endless power level discussions and spoilers for things that aren't F/SN
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am I the only person here who's looking forward to the military/gently caress-ya potential of Kajiura soundtrack for general shooter purpose? 
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BlitzBlast posted:Power levels don't really mean that much in the Nasuverse, seeing as how drat near everyone has absurdly powerful abilities that lets them ignore the overall power of their enemies. One could always look at this list instead as it is based on objective information: Leysritt > Misawa Hanei > Aozaki Aoko = Arcueid Brunestud = Rider > Bazett Fraga McRemitz > Dust of Osiris = Inui Ichiko = Sion Eltnam Atlasia > Ciel = Irisviel von Einzbern = Matou Sakura > Himuro Kane > Mitsuzuri Ayako > Caster = Jinan Tokie > Yumizuka Satsuki > Kohaku = Tohsaka Aoi > Tohsaka Rin > Hisui > Caren Ortensia = Hisau Maiya = Saegusa Yukika = Sella > Saber = Seo Akira = Tohno Akiha > Makidera Kaede > Tsukihime Souka > Nanako > Len = White Len > Illyasviel von Einzbern > Arima Miyako
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So to distract from the powerlevels discussion, here's some overpriced plastic. It was pretty much inevitable, given how many other versions of Saber they've done before, but I wasn't expecting prototypes to show up before the show even starts airing:  
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arhra posted:So to distract from the powerlevels discussion, here's some overpriced plastic.
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Factor_VIII posted:Another Fate/Zero Saber figurine came out in 2007 Oh, I know there have been figures of her before - I was speaking specifically about figmas, which compared to scale figures, tend to be more focussed on recent anime/games (ignoring the completely-out-of-left-field ones like Robocop and Michael Jackson, anyway), and generally don't show up until some time after a show has finished airing (they're still steadily working their way through the Bakemonogatari cast, for instance). I guess with Fate it's a known quantity, so they can be sure of it's success, and they already have the contacts in place to sort the licensing out.
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This is still the greatest Saber figurine ever made.
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Is understanding the storyline with that CG dragon a pre-requisite to this show? :trollface: Seriously though, I've like forgotten all of this, what's the best and quickest way to brush up on the series without spoilers for this season's show?
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Outside of playing the VN or reading seorin's LP? Probably the summaries on the wikia: http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate_(route) http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Unlimited_Blade_Works_(route) http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Heaven%27s_Feel_(route)
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AnacondaHL posted:Is understanding the storyline with that CG dragon a pre-requisite to this show? :trollface: Not a prerequisite. It can stand on its own although knowing the FSN storylines fills out the universe. The Seorin LP's are pretty good and CG dragon free.
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Factor_VIII posted:Time to bring this out: Pffft Fuji-nee is clearly the most powerful, she's just holding back. The tiger strap on her wooden sword is a seal for its powers.
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If I'm not mistaken, There is anime of Fate Stay/Night There is movie of Fate Unlimited Blades Work They are producing Fate Zero (The past) So.... Are they planning on making anime of Fate Heaven's Feel I wonder....
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No way Crimson Moon is stronger than Zeltrech, given Zeltrech -killed- him.
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Guys, perhaps we should consider the possibility that Factor_VIII was not being entirely serious with that particularly list. Edit: Also, the name is Zelretch.
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-Troika- posted:No way Crimson Moon is stronger than Zeltrech, given Zeltrech -killed- him. Pureauthor posted:Guys, perhaps we should consider the possibility that Factor_VIII was not being entirely serious with that particularly list.
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To this day I don't get Nasu's comment about Void!Shiki vs. Servants. It's the personification of Akasha itself. It could rewrite reality so that the Servant it's facing no longer exists (or better yet, never existed at all.)
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Nasu doesn't seem care about powerlevel arguments (not that he should), so he just gives the first answer that comes to his head so far as anyone can tell. Most comments he makes in interviews are like that, so really it is basically up in the air until it's stated in an actual work. That's my take on it anyway.
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Factor_VIII posted:Saber killed Gil and she's less powerful than him. Supposedly Zelretch beat Crimson Moon with a cheapshot but we don't know what that is. However, Zelretch DID push back the entire physical moon that the Crimson Moon was dropping on Earth. And Zelretch did it with pure force.
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Seorin's LPs are worth reading even if you've read the games in my opinion for the discussion and fanart. And they're certainly quicker, if that matters.Young of Jeonju posted:Are they planning on making anime of Fate Heaven's Feel I wonder.... I think I remember reading that they were considering it if the UBW film did well. As "they" in this context is DEEN, let's hope someone else does it.
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My take on Nasu powerlevels is that its not so much powerlevels as everyone has a whole bunch of bullshit instant kills and dumb ways to not get instant killed, and whoever lands the first successful instant kill wins. So it has alot to do with who is up against who and how they approach the fight and a bit of luck.
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Which is why Nobilis is clearly the best system for a F/SN roleplaying game. 
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The one thing we're all missing from that link is that clearly Neko-Arc is the strongest. Nasunerve powerlevel discussions are funnier than DBZ powerlevel discussions and I think Nasu knows this and enjoys trolling fans with those interviews. Long may they reign.
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The thing is, you can basically argue endlessly about Nasuverse power levels, because with some exceptions like Kiritsugu, Taiga, Hisui/Kohaku, and Fate Shirou, everyone's on more or less an even scale with that scale being "absurdly loving broken."
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Nasu has said before that a battle between magi is more like a battle of concepts than a battle of power. It's less about brute strength and more about who tweak or break the laws of the world more. That's why you have characters like Ciel, which rank pretty highly on the powerlevel chart, and is no doubt faster and stronger than someone like Ryougi Shiki or Bazett, but would still likely lose to them in a fight because of their unique conceptual abilities. Bazett herself is quite capable of beating Saber however at the same time would likely lose to any of the Shikis who don't really posess any form of desperation attack to trigger Fragarach. This is kinda what we mean when we say the powerlevel chart is meaningless. It's an accurate-ish layout of how "strong" characters are in comparison to each other, but since that strength isn't what decides battles in nasuverse it's not very meaningful.
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Actually, Nasu has stated that the Bazett of H/A would lose to Ciel (presumably Ciel is good enough that she'd never need to activate an ultimate move that would trigger Fragarach), but that after Bazett truly masters Fragarach it would turn into a 'good match'.
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