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 Do not post spoilers from the novel in this thread! There will be spoilers for Fate/stay night in this thread! Please try and keep the Type Moon spergin to a minimum because it is making GBS threads up the thread, thanks!  Fate/Zero is an adaptation of the four volume novel series written by Gen Urobuchi. It is a prequel to Fate/stay night, a visual novel written by Kinoko Nasu and produced by Type-Moon. Story The Holy Grail War is a contest between seven magi, who summon Heroic Spirits (legendary heroes from the past) to fight for them. The last Master/Servant pair standing will obtain the Holy Grail, an omnipotent wish granting vessel. The first three Holy Grail Wars have ended in failure, with no Master obtaining the Grail in any of them. Now, the Fourth Holy Grail War is about to begin in Fuyuki City. Kiritsugu Emiya is a man who wishes to save others. However, he has come to the realization that in order to save the most people possible, some must be sacrificed. As a result, he has become an extremely efficient killer, capable of using both magic and technology in order to achieve the best possible result (to put it simply, he brings guns to a magic fight). Kiritsugu's intention is to use the Holy Grail to create world peace. In order to do so, however, he must sacrifice everything he loves. Staff and Other Details Director: Ei Aoki (Hourou Musuko, Kara no Kyoukai movie 1) Original Creator: Gen Urobuchi (Madoka Magica, Saya no Uta) Music: Yuki Kajiura (Madoka Magica, Kara no Kyoukai) Studio: ufotable (Kara no Kyoukai) Number of Episodes: It's a two season show, so between 24-26 probably. Airing/Streaming: The most recent episode can be found at niconico. Older episodes can be viewed on crunchyroll. Air date: The first episode airs October 1st. I've heard that it's supposed to be a one hour special, but I haven't seen much information on that other than a couple of posts on another message board. Personal Opinions I wouldn't consider Fate/Zero to be Urobuchi's best work (Saya no Uta and Madoka Magica are both better), but I would consider the work that best represents his overall style. It's got guns, amazing and over-the-top action scenes, a bit of clever comedy, motorcycles, some really gruesome scenes, expensive military hardware, really awesome characters, and plenty of despair. If ufotable does even a halfway-decent job with this anime it will be one of the best action anime ever made and one of the best shows in a year with a whole lot of great shows already. Yuki Kajiura has already proved that she goes great with Urobuchi's style in Madoka Magica, but I'm a bit sad that we won't get ZIZZ Studio in on this one (their theme for Berserker owns also do not look at the comments). Overall, I'd say I'm rather optimistic about Fate/Zero being worth a watch! Promo Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_deC1fg5l0 jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Mar 10, 2012 |
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Character Bios Team Saber Kiritsugu Emiya - Kiritsugu is a man who desired to be a hero of justice in his youth, but was eventually faced with the reality that in order to save someone, you must sacrifice another. He has been preparing for the Holy Grail War for the past nine years. During this time, he married Irisviel von Einzbern and gained a daughter, Ilyasviel von Einzbern. Having grown used to living with a loving family, he is torn between his ideal of saving the world and his desire to run away from everything and live a peaceful life with his loved ones. Infamous as a "Magus Killer", Kiritsugu uses a unique blend of magic and modern weaponry (by "unique" I mean he's basically Homura Akemi ver 0.5) in order to exterminate threats. Irisviel von Einsbern - A homunculus of the Einzbern family and Kiritsugu's loving wife. In order to allow Kiritsugu to act alone, she poses as Saber's Master. In addition, she currently has possession of Saber's sheath, "Avalon", which grants incredible regenerative abilities upon the wearer. As the vessel for the Holy Grail, the completion of the Holy Grail War will lead to her demise in order to allow the Holy Grail to manifest. Irisviel's goal is to help Kiritsugu achieve his ideal, as well as spare her daughter from being burdened with the fate of being the vessel for a possible fifth Holy Grail War. Saber - True identity: Aturia Pendragon (yeah she's King Arthur). Honorable and chivalrous, Saber fights according to a strict code of honor. Her incompatibility with Kiritsugu has caused Irisviel to become her surrogate Master in his place. Possesses the legendary blade, Excalibur. Believing that she was a poor ruler, Saber desires the Holy Grail in order to rewrite history and allow someone else to become the King. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN2FPRFssAk Team Archer Tokiomi Tohsaka - Tokiomi is a man heavily committed to being a proper magus. While he can be arrogant and use others for his own ends without any care, he does have his own code of honor. Husband to Aoi Tohsaka, father of Rin Tohsaka and Sakura Matou. His goal is to obtain the Holy Grail and use it as a gate in order to reach Akasha, the origin of all. Archer - True identity: Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh is quite possibly the strongest possible servant. With a seemingly endless supply of Noble Phantasms and extraordinary power, Gilgamesh is a force to be reckoned with. However, he is extremely arrogant and prideful, to the point where his greatest enemy could be said to be himself. His unpredictable temperament makes him unsuitable for Tokiomi, who is forced to manipulate Gilgamesh through flattery and praise. Gilgamesh could not care for the Holy Grail, as he already considers it his property (along with everything else in the world). However, he may consider granting it to someone who catches his interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdiFGaWUaSY Team Rider Waver Velvet - A young magus studying at the Clock Tower, a Mage's Association institution in London. Since he comes from a weak bloodline, other Magi often look down upon him, including his own teacher. When Waver became aware that his teacher was receiving an artifact in order to summon a Servant for the Holy Grail War, he stole the artifact and traveled to Fuyuki in order to prove himself. Waver is talented, but inexperienced. His cautious manner of engaging in the War is at odds with his Servant's method of openly challenging any enemies. He simply wants to obtain the Holy Grail in order to have his talents recognized, he has no wish he wants granted. Rider - True identity: Iskander. A towering giant of a man, Rider's only goal in the Holy Grail War is use the Grail to obtain a human body. He wishes to be resurrected as a human in order to conquer the world as a human. I'm also not saying anything more about him other than he owns a whole lot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRjyNKZfWts Team Lancer Kayneth Archibald El-Melloi - El-Melloi is Waver's teacher. Very talented and from a bloodline with much history, El-Melloi is extremely proud of being a magus. Kiritsugu regards him as the second most threatening opponent in the Holy Grail War. His base of operations at the Fuyuki Hyatt Hotel is on the hotel's thirty-second floor and protected by twenty-four layers of bounded barriers, a countless amount of summoned monsters, various traps, and mystical spatial alterations in the lobby. He is engaged to Sola-Ui Nuada-Re Sophia-Ri. While he seems to love her, she does not return his affections. He sees the Holy Grail War as a simple competition between Magi and wishes to obtain the Grail simply for the honor it will bring him. Lancer - True identity: Diarmuid Ua Duibhne. A tragic hero from Irish mythology, Diarmuid is a man cursed to have any woman who gazes upon his face fall in love with him. After this lead to his ruin while he was alive, his only wish now is to have a master to faithfully serve in order to make up what he sees as his sin in life. Lancer possesses two Noble Phantasms, the dual lances he wields. One has the power to lay a powerful curse, while the other has the power to break any Magecraft. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uR7_hlTnO0 Team Caster Ryuunosuke Uryuu - A serial killer prowling the streets of Fuyuki City, his hobby is women and children. He becomes involved in the Holy Grail War after a joking attempt to summon a demon by killing an entire family at once. While he is the descendant of Magi, he is ignorant of magic and becomes involved in the Holy Grail War purely by chance. His goal in the Holy Grail War is simply to have as much fun as possible in experiencing things that are new to him (such as new and exciting ways to torture and murder children). Caster - True identity: Gilles de Rais. A former knight under Joan of Arc and a well known serial killer of children. With no objections from Ryuunosuke, he spends much of his time in the Holy Grail War building up a base of operations and engaging in the mass murder of children. He has the power to summon large amounts of demonic servants. He believes Saber to be an amnesiac Joan of Arc, and plans to use the Holy Grail in attempt to restore her memory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv5LdTCwL-c Team Berserker Kariya Matou - A childhood friend of Tokiomi and Aoi Tohsaka, and a beloved Uncle to both Rin and Sakura. Kariya was meant to be the successor to the Matou family bloodline, but left the family in disgust before his training under the master of the family, the incredibly ancient Zouken Matou, could begin. One year before the Holy Grail War, he discovered that Tokiomi and Aoi gave one of their daughters, Sakura, up for adoption to the Matou family in order to avoid any conflict in the succession of the Tohsaka bloodline. Storming into the Matou household, Kariya finds that Sakura has already been exposed to the Matou family training, which involves being violated by large "crest worms" in order to teach the body magic. Furious with both Zouken and Tokiomi, Kariya agrees to a deal with Zouken in an attempt to save Sakura. His goal is to obtain the Holy Grail and give it to Zouken in exchange for Sakura's freedom from the Matou family, and to obtain revenge against Tokiomi for giving up Sakura to Zouken. Berserker - True identity: Unknown. A knight clad in black armor. As a member of the Berserker class, this knight has been stricken with insanity in exchange for increased power. His body is constantly covered in a black mist. The mist-like illusion also causes his image to double or triple randomly, making him appear to be a hallucination, and prevents the use of a Master's clairvoyance to read the status of Berserker. In addition, he has the power to infuse any potential weapon with mana and turn it into his own Noble Phantasm, from telephone poles to the Noble Phantasms of other Servants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVZEoF9i-OE Team Assasain Kirei Kotomine - The man Kiritsugu considers to be the most dangerous in the Holy Grail War. Kirei cannot find any happiness in life. No matter what quest he undertakes, or what pleasures he experiences, everything feels empty to him. In Kiritsugu, Kirei sees a man who may be able to grant him some manner of understanding as to why. Kirei is a member of the Holy Church's Assembly, an elite Executor. He is agile, talented in martial arts, and is a match for demons and Magi. While not powerful enough to take on a proper Servant head-on, he is still a force to be reckoned with. Apprenticed to Tokiomi, his objective is to simply aid the Tohsaka magus. Assassin - True identity: Hassan-i Sabbah. The original Assassin, Hassan has the power of concealment. While not a strong servant, Assassin is useful for spying on and killing enemy Masters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEZgytXGCU jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 23, 2011 |
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Rodyle posted:You disappoint me with your lazy thread names son! At the VERY least one should always go for a dick joke. Having a thread title just be the series title is SHAME. I gave it a Guns tag what more do you want. "What are we going to do tonight Rider?" "Same thing we do every night Waver. Try to take over the world!" was too long for the field.
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Pollyanna posted:Actually, wait, there was an adaptation of Saya no Uta? Really? How the hell did that work? There wasn't. Gen Urobuchi wrote Saya no Uta and it owns so I put it there. Also I put character bios in the second post. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Sep 24, 2011 |
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Factor_VIII posted:An adaptation of Saya no Uta does exist: No it doesn't you shut up with your terrible lies.
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WickedIcon posted:My morbid curiosity is compelling me regarding that comic. It's fairly cheap from what I gather, and my standards are really low, so I might as well. You know not what you do, desist from this foolish course of action at once.
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Popo posted:Generic FAQ-type question: Will I need to know much or anything about F/SN to watch this? F/Z spoils a bunch of details for the last route of F/SN in the first three chapters. You are expected to have read all of F/SN before reading F/Z (the anime is definitely not enough), but it I wouldn't say it's required to enjoy the story. Pureauthor posted:jonjonaug, I'm pretty sure it's Tokiomi Tohsaka, not Tokomi. Whoops. Fixed.
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Revdomezehis posted:So this guy is a wife and a father eh? How odd. gently caress. Fixed that too.
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Rodyle posted:Or Mind of Steel. Fate/Zero is sort of like that, considering that Shirou makes the same mistake Kiritsugu makes in that ending.  
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Almost forgot: The ED single has been out for over a week now. You usually don't see these releasing before the anime even starts. I didn't feel like putting this in the OP because it'll probably get taken down anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAOZj-HgiSM
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InsaneZero posted:Rejoice, Emiya Shirou! Oh yeah, forgot to mention this. Urobuchi's been tweeting about helping with the Fate/Zero adaptation for months now. I'm guessing this just makes it official. I've heard there are supposed to be new, anime-only scenes as well (which is a good thing because Fate/Zero is too long for a 1-cour show, but a bit too short for a 2-cour show). Zandracon posted:Urobuchi worked on Zero as a collaboration between Nitro+ and TM. Believe he also wrote some Black Lagoon novels. You can find translations for the first Black Lagoon novel here. It's filled with good action and some really great comedy. The second one hasn't been translated. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Sep 25, 2011 |
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jonjonaug posted:Urobuchi's been tweeting about helping with the Fate/Zero adaptation for months now. I'm guessing this just makes it official. Some clarification on this. quote:Gen Urobuchi (Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Phantom - The Animation, Blassreiter) stated on his Twitter account on Sunday that he is not writing the scripts for the upcoming Fate/Zero television anime series. Although Urobuchi wrote the prequel novel to Type-Moon's Fate/stay night visual novel software, he is supervising the script rather than writing for the anime adaptation. Urobuchi noted he approves the final manuscript for every episode of the fantasy series as well as offering input at recording sessions.
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Yasser Arafatwa posted:As long as we don't bring up SHIKI, the worst of the Shiki's. You better be talking about SHIKI because SHIKI was pretty cool.
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We interrupt this incredibly spergy discussion to remind you that the first episode of Fate/Zero will be available in less than two hours. And I can't watch it as soon as it comes out because I have a dentist appointment. 
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Repeating this post in case anyone missed it in the page change.jonjonaug posted:We interrupt this incredibly spergy discussion to remind you that the first episode of Fate/Zero will be available in less than two hours.
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Cake Attack posted:I may be totally off base, but I was under the impression they weren't really his grandparents, and just some shmucks he magicked into thinking were his grandparents for a place to stay in Fuyuki city. This is correct. I really like how well they did the worm scene.
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I just finished watching the episode. It is just as good as I had hoped. I was worried the most about how the anime would handle Kariya, but the way you can see things crawling under his skin is brilliant. Is it next Saturday yet?
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I'm pretty certain that only the first episode is double length. I've no idea if we'll get any more of those down the line.
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Sindai posted:And the fight scenes weren't even very good. Understatement.  The UBW movie was one of the most god-awful anime I've ever seen.
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Somewhat on topic: New ad for Carnival Phantasm! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsGB8xzPd3A
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Endorph posted:Absolutely none of the RPG stuff comes up in Fate/Zero, yeah. This will be one of the very few times I spoil the novel. Very minor, inconsequential spoilers. It does in one scene. It's mentioned extremely briefly as a method to compare the strength of one Noble Phantasm to another.
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WickedIcon posted:...come on, out with it, assuming it's not a spoiler. Inquiring minds want to know. It is a huge spoiler and Zand is a bad person for bringing it up.
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Jesus christ people. I thought the two lines in the OP were simple enough to follow. 1. Do not post anything about what happens in Fate/Zero that we haven't gotten to yet. Unless you can infer it very easily from the events in Fate/Stay Night or the event is stated directly in Fate/Stay Night, don't do it (example: saying Kariya is going to fail horribly is fine, giving details of how is prohibited). 2. Anything that happens in Fate/Stay Night is fair game. Fate/Zero expects that you've read Fate/Stay Night in advance and there are going to be a few scenes that will probably need some sort of explanation to newcomers. Don't be obnoxious about this, try to keep the discussion limited to stuff that pertains to what we've seen so far. The thread should hardly need any spoiler tags other than discussion of the current episode. No one should have to come in here and look at a wall of black text and be afraid of what to mouse over because they haven't read the original material.
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Rodyle posted:The novels are absolutely still worth a read, there's a very Douglas Adamsesque quality to a lot of the narration in it, especially with Team 7, who I won't say more about because we haven't seen them yet. Urobuchi is very good at narration. Even with the butchered Japanese->Chinese->English translation that we ended up getting, this still shines through pretty well.
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Marin Karin posted:Aniplex is letting Crunchyroll air the episodes a week after they first air for anyone who missed them. Here's last weeks. Yeah, ok. This episode was great. Rider and Caster in particular were pretty amazing.
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House Louse posted:Oh Rider, you're amazing but stop bullying Waver! He looked like a little kitten when you held him by the scruff of his neck, and now I want to see him babysitting Ilya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de_Rais#Occult_involvement
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  Eight year old Ilya is so cute.
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Rewatching the episode again, and I think my favorite part is that the way Caster lulls the kid into a false sense of security is actually a thing Giles de Rais did in real life.
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WickedIcon posted:...wait, what the gently caress? If 3 years pass between the beginning of ep 1 and the majority of the series, and 10 years pass between that and F/SN, wouldn't that make Ilya 13? She's 18 in F/SN, not 13. The very first scene where Ilya is born is eight years before the start of the Fourth Holy Grail War. The scene with Tokiomi, Risei, and Kirei is three years before the start. The scene with Kariya is one year before the start.
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For the moment, our most formidable opponent will be this "Clinton" guy. Oh, Rider.  EDIT: Motherfuck. Is it next Saturday yet? jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Oct 15, 2011 |
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I just realized they cut out one of my favorite Rider scenes from the part where Rider and Waver are observing on top of the bridge. Spoiled in case they fit it in next episode (or the DVD/BD release) and for people that haven't watched the episode yet. quote:"If you're bored, read the book I entrusted to you. It's a good book." And the rest plays out exactly the same as in the episode. Tuxedo Catfish posted:You're not misusing it, I guess I just put this way on the side of "reasonable artistic license" vs. "fanservice." There is exactly zero porn in Fate/Zero.
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I love how everyone's focusing on casual friendship between Irisviel and Saber and not the part where Kiritsugu just made out and had implied sex with not-his-wife.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I may have only watched the TV adaption of Fate/UBW so far but so far Shirou's gimmick seems crazy overpowered though unless thats different from being a mage. Everyone's gimmick in F/SN is crazy overpowered. There are 40 bad ends in F/SN and the majority of those have Shirou getting killed in some utterly ridiculous manner.
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BlitzBlast posted:All I know is that Lancer has the coolest music ever. It's kind of a shame that ZIZZ Studio wasn't hired to do the theme song for this anime. They make some pretty great soundtracks. Demonbane and Saya no Uta in particular have outstanding soundtracks.
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The bluray boxset release for the first season has been announced. It will be released on March 7th for 39,800 yen (about 522 dollars) and contain the following: -The first half of the show (13 episodes) -additional scenes that had to be cut -Booklet -Artbox (like the KnK one) -Soundtrack
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Bakanogami posted:That'd be the Japanese edition, right? Japanese DVD/Blu-Ray prices are utterly retarded in their prices since the studios price to the rabid fans who will absolutely buy it no matter how expensive it is rather than trying to get a wider audience. Presumably the US edition will be somewhat better, unless someone like Aniplex gets a hold on it and gives it Japanese prices. You mean the Aniplex that is currently responsible for streaming and advertising the show and will almost certainly end up with the license for American distribution?
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"I'd rather not fight a woman who was throwing herself at me"  Oh, Lancer. 11:20 - Holy poo poo, look at that budget. jonjonaug fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Oct 22, 2011 |
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Marin Karin posted:Lancer is incredible. I hope his luck is better than Cu Chulainn's, because I want to see way more of him in the future. Lancers having terrible luck seems to be a running joke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pursuit_of_Diarmuid_and_Gr%C3%A1inne
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Revdomezehis posted:I gotta say I've never heard of ufotable before this series, but if anything else they ever did is as high quality as Fate/Zero has been, I need to see it. Kara no Kyoukai is an adaptation of another Type-Moon work by ufotable. It's seven movies long, and each movie adapts one "chapter" of the original novel. Five of the movies are about an hour long each, two of them are two hours long. The characters tend to ramble on a bit with Nasu-  at times, but there are some good action scenes, likeable characters, great animation, good music (Yuki Kajiura again), and a cool setting to keep you going.
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More info on the first BD box set.quote:The first Blu-ray Disc Box for the Fate/Zero television anime series will ship with a new bonus extra, written by Type-Moon's Kinoko Nasu, on March 7, 2012. It will also include Japanese and English subtitles. Newtype magazine had already revealed earlier this month that the box (the first of two) will have the "original edition" of the first 13 episodes with scenes cut from the television broadcast. I'm betting that we're going to end up with a Kara no Kyoukai style deal again.
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