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I recently thought I'd rewatch Ken Burns's Jazz series from 2001; I first watched it when I was studying jazz in school, and I thought it was all good at the time (the last episode notwithstanding; I could tell there was something fishy about it even at that stage). Now that I'm more knowledgeable, I recognise a lot more of its shortcomings. It's disappointing because it started well, and it could have been really cool to have had a full overview of an entire genre from its inception to the present day, but instead it has this vaguely insidious "jazz is classical music, and can only be appreciated as such" ideology behind it, where Louis Armstrong recording "Hello, Dolly" is more culturally and artistically significant than anything that happened in the 1960s and Herbie Hancock is brushed off as someone who "was never a good composer". Does anyone know of anything similar that tries to do an in-depth exploration of jazz, but a bit more even-handedly?
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Hello, im just a lamer who doesnt know anything about jazz music really but watched Whiplash. The movie has motivated me to take a deeper look at jazz though. Definitely gonna be digging through this thread for stuff to listen to. One song on the soundtrack Im infatuated with is "too hip to retire", can anyone tell me whats going on in this song? And where to find other jazz similar to it. Thanks.
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Jun 5, 2015 05:37
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You may want to check out Quincy Jones, he's the first thing that came to mind when I heard your track. Not a huge fan of orchestral music myself, so I can't come up with any more names right away. Hadn't heard about this film, seems interesting.
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Can someone give me a recommendation of a genre and/or artists which sounds like this: https://soundcloud.com/nowamuzyka-pl/nils-landgren-esbjorn-svensson It's a hair of the slower parts of Blue in Green and sounds like a flugelhorn ala Chuck Mangione. Doesn't have to be as crazy crazy slow as my link, but the heavy solo horn (sax/clarinet also acceptable). PS-The link is a guy playing solo flugel with hints of Jan Johannson - Jazz Pa Svenska... so good. EDIT: The above linked song is part of an entire album entitled "Swedish Folk Modern" that is A++++ c0ldfuse fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jun 8, 2015 |
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Jun 8, 2015 02:18
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Ornette Coleman has died. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/arts/music/ornette-coleman-jazz-saxophonist-dies-at-85-obituary.html?_r=0
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Jun 11, 2015 14:47
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Bummer. Never got to see him play, saw him speak once.
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Jun 11, 2015 16:26
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Saw him, and he did great, even though the concert was understandably not very long. RIP to the motherfukking genius.
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Hello thread, I am New To Jazz™. I've been listening to everything that BADBADNOTGOOD have ever done and love every single second of it, also just been binge watching Treme and I'm now a huge Kermit Ruffins fan. I tried Strange Fruit as it seems to be the record that you should like, but I really didn't, that free jazz style didn't do anything for me. I also went to my local jazz club, (Jazz in the crypt in Camberwell, London) and saw an amazing spanish/latin jazz trio with a flamenco singer which was hella good, but they had signs up tellng you not to make noise during the performnace which kinda felt wrong. So yeah could you recommend me some stuff that is some combination of hip hop/new orleans/latin/jazz that doesn't sound like strange fruit era miles davies and that you'd be allowed to clap along to? TIA
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Jul 4, 2015 15:49
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Miles Davies is on some of the worst Kinks albums so I understand why you don't dig him.
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Kraxis posted:So yeah could you recommend me some stuff that is some combination of hip hop/new orleans/latin/jazz that doesn't sound like strange fruit era miles davies and that you'd be allowed to clap along to? TIA I recommedn The Wire, YMMV, YW, NP
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Kraxis posted:Hello thread, I am New To Jazz™. Do you know Emanative? Kind of hip-hop/r&b infused jazz, you'll probably dig him if you like BBNG: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGRx7B6dHuI Just throwing this out there too as I file it in the same meta-folder, but it may be a bit more downtempo than your liking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l-lKyD5ohI
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Jul 4, 2015 16:53
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Miles Davis never made an album called Strange Fruit, what are you talking about?
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Jul 4, 2015 19:03
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I definitely meant Bitches Brew, life lesson about drunk posting learned. I dig Emanative, thanks for the heads up.
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Bitches Brew(and that whole period) is jazz fusion, free jazz is quite different. The studio material from that period is mostly not as good as the live stuff imo, listen to the Agartha or Pangaea live albums if you want to give that style another chance, they're much more energetic than Bitches Brew is.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:32
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I've never cared much for Bitches Brew; A Tribute to Jack Johnson and In A Silent Way are a lot better.
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Jul 8, 2015 01:45
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The dude has 5 decades worth of material. Writing him off after listening to one record is pretty dumb.
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Jul 8, 2015 02:03
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If only Hendrix hadn't banged his wife~
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Place to start with Miles Davis is Kind of Blue. To my knowledge he only made one album that features Hip Hop sampling, Doo-Bop. It was released posthumously as he died in the process of recording. Unfortunately it's a but weak overall but the opening track, Mystery, is one of my top ten favourite Miles tunes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8GeQZTdHk
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Jul 10, 2015 18:48
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I'm seeing Colin Stetson next week in a super small venue so pretty happy.
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Jul 10, 2015 23:33
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The giant sax guy? That'll probably be deafening and awesome.
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What's the best place to start with George Benson, please? So far I've listened to 'The Other Side of Abbey Road' and enjoyed it. I too am not a huge fan of avant garde/free jazz, Kraxis posted:Hello thread, I am New To Jazz™. Hey dude, you don't have PM's enabled but I'm in Brockley and also a fan of jazz - may be worth linking up? hit me up at william@ayerst.net if you're interested.
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woodenchicken posted:The giant sax guy? That'll probably be deafening and awesome. Exactly correct. I'm trying to convince everyone I know how great the show will be and drag them along.
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I saw Colin Stetson at Big Ears Festival back in 2014. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Enjoy!
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Southern Heel posted:What's the best place to start with George Benson, please? So far I've listened to 'The Other Side of Abbey Road' and enjoyed it. The Shape of Things to Come is a pretty cool album.
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Apologies if this has already been covered in the thread, but, does anyone know of any decent sites that review/talk about new & upcoming jazz releases? I've heard a handful of LPs from this year, but I'd like to have a better handle on what's coming out, what's good etc.
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Old Ash posted:I saw Colin Stetson at Big Ears Festival back in 2014. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen. Enjoy! He absolutely killed. So amazing. Highly recommended if he comes to a town near you.
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Seventh Arrow posted:The Shape of Things to Come is a pretty cool album. That really was a cool album, thanks.
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All this talk about Colin Stetson made me check, and I discovered for myself the sequel to "Modern History Warfare pt.2", called "Modern History Warfare part 3" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlPg-g2vP8U drat.
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WE RIDE posted:Apologies if this has already been covered in the thread, but, does anyone know of any decent sites that review/talk about new & upcoming jazz releases? I've heard a handful of LPs from this year, but I'd like to have a better handle on what's coming out, what's good etc. Allmusic.com often keeps up with new releases, at least the major labels.
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I've been struggling to get into jazz for a while now. There's elements I love about it, the oil slick stylings and atmosphere that makes me feel like I should be choking on a cigar in a back alley bar where you just know key players in organised crime hang out on their days off. That's why I like der Club of Gore, Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, Davis's Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud and some post-bop stuff like Mingus. I don't love the fact that jazz musicians seem to only be capable of playing at two volumes, on or off, but for me the biggest deal killer with 90% of jazz is the fact that it doesn't change. The structure, tempo, time signature and feel of the piece is a totally static backdrop for some soloist to wank to. Help me love jazz, goons.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:I've been struggling to get into jazz for a while now. There's elements I love about it, the oil slick stylings and atmosphere that makes me feel like I should be choking on a cigar in a back alley bar where you just know key players in organised crime hang out on their days off. That's why I like der Club of Gore, Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, Davis's Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud and some post-bop stuff like Mingus. I don't love the fact that jazz musicians seem to only be capable of playing at two volumes, on or off, but for me the biggest deal killer with 90% of jazz is the fact that it doesn't change. The structure, tempo, time signature and feel of the piece is a totally static backdrop for some soloist to wank to. What type of non-jazz music are you into?
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Cymbal Monkey posted:I've been struggling to get into jazz for a while now. There's elements I love about it, the oil slick stylings and atmosphere that makes me feel like I should be choking on a cigar in a back alley bar where you just know key players in organised crime hang out on their days off. That's why I like der Club of Gore, Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, Davis's Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud and some post-bop stuff like Mingus. I don't love the fact that jazz musicians seem to only be capable of playing at two volumes, on or off, but for me the biggest deal killer with 90% of jazz is the fact that it doesn't change. The structure, tempo, time signature and feel of the piece is a totally static backdrop for some soloist to wank to. And what have you given a good critical listen to that you don't like? There's coming up on 100 years of recorded jazz out there. It's hard to cherry pick a couple records and call it a day.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:I've been struggling to get into jazz for a while now. There's elements I love about it, the oil slick stylings and atmosphere that makes me feel like I should be choking on a cigar in a back alley bar where you just know key players in organised crime hang out on their days off. That's why I like der Club of Gore, Kilimanjaro Darkjazz Ensemble, Davis's Ascenseur pour l'Echafaud and some post-bop stuff like Mingus. I don't love the fact that jazz musicians seem to only be capable of playing at two volumes, on or off, but for me the biggest deal killer with 90% of jazz is the fact that it doesn't change. The structure, tempo, time signature and feel of the piece is a totally static backdrop for some soloist to wank to.
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c0ldfuse posted:What type of non-jazz music are you into? I like a lot of shoe gaze influence stuff, a lot of post-rock and math rock as well. Getting into drone doom and 20th century avant garde as well. It's basically a lot of really loud, noisy rock. I like textures and extensive dynamics, basically. BigFactory posted:And what have you given a good critical listen to that you don't like? There's coming up on 100 years of recorded jazz out there. It's hard to cherry pick a couple records and call it a day. Most recently in my memory, Supersonic Jazz, various collected David and Coltrane (I liked Equinox well enough). I wouldn't call my knowledge of jazz complete or comprehensive, but I think I have a handle on the standards that people who aren't into jazz know about. SubG posted:How do you feel about Monk, say Brilliant Corners? It's about as change-y as any composition ever is, but still has a lot of soloing which I guess you might regard as wankery if you're not into that kind of soloing. I really appreciate how quickly this piece changes itself up, but the "I can run up this scale in more ways than you can imagine" stuff is a bit of a turnoff. I really don't listen for melodies much and I feel like these no doubt brilliant notes don't actually mean much to me. I listen far more for atmosphere, tone and timbre.
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Maybe you just don't like jazz?
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BigFactory posted:Maybe you just don't like jazz? See that's the problem, I like some jazz a lot. Not liking jazz would be easy. Let me rephrase. People, please tell me good dark jazz/doom jazz/noir jazz/incredibly seductive post-bop albums to listen to. Cymbal Monkey fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Aug 12, 2015 |
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Cymbal Monkey posted:See that's the problem, I like some jazz a lot. Not liking jazz would be easy. Those are not typical terms people use to describe styles of jazz, but if you like Charles Mingus and haven't heard Let My Children Hear Music, I think it's his best. At least it's my favorite. Mid 70's, pretty close to the end of his career, it's got a big band feel and it swings but it's got the avant garde inspiration too.
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BigFactory posted:Those are not typical terms people use to describe styles of jazz, but if you like Charles Mingus and haven't heard Let My Children Hear Music, I think it's his best. At least it's my favorite. Mid 70's, pretty close to the end of his career, it's got a big band feel and it swings but it's got the avant garde inspiration too. Shut up those are totally legitimate jazz genres. 
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Cymbal Monkey posted:I really appreciate how quickly this piece changes itself up, but the "I can run up this scale in more ways than you can imagine" stuff is a bit of a turnoff. I really don't listen for melodies much and I feel like these no doubt brilliant notes don't actually mean much to me. I listen far more for atmosphere, tone and timbre. If you like Mingus for the open compositional style, maybe Sun Ra, Pharoah Sanders, or late Coltrane? If it's the hard bop influences, Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers, or maybe Dexter Gordon? It's really hard (for me anyway) to get a line on what you're after because you're describing things by associations and we appear to have different associations with different jazz subgenres. Like you say smokey room atmosphere, tone and texture and I start thinking of classic bebop and maybe some earlier small-combo dixieland, the St Louis guys, and that kind of thing. And you talk about soloist wankery, post-bop is right up there at the top of places where I'd most expect to see it. I mean that's cool, you can like whatever music you want to like, no skin off my rear end. But it makes it difficult to figure out what you're after.
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