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I said come in! posted:I kinda feel it's time to give it a rest now. Driving good series into the ground, never ends well. Yeah, it really seems like the only reason for it was Siffy trying to recreate the BSG phenomenon and Caprica wasn't it. I doubt this would be either, so it's probably a good thing it's not becoming a full series, only to be canceled after the execs realize it's not BSG-2. It's so tantalizing to think about exploring that universe but it's abundantly clear the NBC/Syfy people have zero drive to do so.
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It was a loving miracle BSG was allowed to tell a complete story, especially considering the poo poo network it was on. Caprica showed that. I disagree that BSG's backstory isn't worth mining, it's just that anything you come up with won't be allowed completion so we're better off letting it go.
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Mar 22, 2012 21:12
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IRQ posted:Caprica really did get good. Just in time for cancellation.  I love that every single press release Siffy makes for B&C contains some form of "we love this show!!! REALLY!!! We plan on giving it every chance!!" Yeah, every chance you can to cancel it. Bleh, gently caress those guys.
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Mar 31, 2012 04:00
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Adama posted:The Cylons fought with swords during the First Cylon War? In the original series the human/cylon war had been going on for a thousand years. I always thought the archaic style in Adama's painting was a callback to Kobol but even that doesn't make sense because most of their history from that period was gone and it seemed like there being cylons on Kobol was unknown. It's probably just that the painting is supposed to be old, and what's older school than a sword? (Sure, a rock onna stick, but what's older than a sword and still suggests technology?)
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Apr 28, 2012 20:14
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IRQ posted:I imagine the couple hundred people who likely won't live out the year without modern medicine Lots of people today live their entire lives without modern medicine. Which the colonials didn't really have left anyway. So that's a pretty weak argument. I agree that it's pretty insane to think every colonial lived happily ever after, but that wasn't the point. It's that they survived as a species.
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Jun 12, 2012 03:21
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Chairman Capone posted:They survive as colonials mixed with Cylons mixed with alien cavemen Fine, they survive as a genus then. Sheesh. 
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Jun 12, 2012 04:51
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VaultAggie posted:How exactly is it going to ruin the fleet if baltar has a trial? It would steal the spotlight from Zarek, clearly the most important human who had ever lived.
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Jun 19, 2012 05:28
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FrakkinCylon posted:On the other hand, I didn't find "Black Market" as bad as I had before. Once you've seen "the Woman King" "Black Market" definitely rises from the bottom of the barrel.
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Jun 19, 2012 17:15
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Kat was a great character, and a nice way to show us how obnoxious Starbuck must have been in her younger years. Doesn't mean I didn't hate her though.
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Jun 19, 2012 18:11
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Chairman Capone posted:it probably would have introduced a lot of kinks into that theory Then again, so did most of BSG's fourth season. The human captives in Razor were just that, captured humans.
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Jun 22, 2012 09:46
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VaultAggie posted:I thought Starbuck was a final five, seeing as she died and somehow came back to life. I guess it's sort of how there were thirteen tribes and she's the thirteenth? gently caress if I know. She's on a mission from God. If you've ever seen the original BSG, there's a similar arc.
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Jul 2, 2012 09:55
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VaultAggie posted:1) What the gently caress was up with starbuck? I understand she was an angel but how did she just up and disappear like that? How did she get a perfectly intact Viper back to the fleet? 1) It's God. Or whatever, we're only shown the non-magical side of things, unlike almost every other sci-fi story with anything indistinguishable from. 2) The first Earth was the 13th colony, a completely different planet from the one we live on (and which was shown at the end of season 3). You never actually see any identifying features, remember. 3) Humans on Kobol created the first cylons. They rebelled and eventually left and settled on "Earth" 1. After a time, those cylons created other robots who rebelled and annihilated their creators. The final five are the only survivors of that war, and their plan was to find the descendents of the Kobol humans and warn them about loving over any AIs they might create. We see how well that worked out. 4) Daniel was model #7, basically thought up to explain why Boomer was #8 and not one of the final five. 5) They were the same head people or "angels" or whatever as we saw throughout the series. Obviously immortal. 6) "The Plan" was to destroy humanity and take its place in the universe. Not all that profound really, and mostly a result of Cylon Al being an rear end in a top hat. 7) See my answer to #3.
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Jul 4, 2012 11:30
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SMP posted:What were the differences? Got any porn in there? Anyway, I was watching the series with some neighbors and the dimwitted doofus's girlfriend actually said something pretty astute at the end of "Revelations": Where's the statue of liberty? That's how ya know it's Earth!
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Jul 12, 2012 23:15
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Someone posted a link to this review over in the Trek thread, and holy poo poo. Misses the point even worse than that retarded Dirk Benedict piece.
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Aug 9, 2012 16:20
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Dude's in trouble from the get go by referring to the original series as "multifaceted." Technically, it was, since it wasn't a one man show.
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Aug 14, 2012 16:29
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Astroman posted:In reality, I think they had the real solution: keep their tech and their memories of Colonial life Because that worked out so well on Earth 1 and the Twelve Colonies.
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Sep 3, 2012 13:19
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rolleyes posted:However, we're supposed to believe that when the colonials left Kobol their society was more advanced than ours (they had interstellar travel). At our present stage of development we document the poo poo out of everything and everyone past and present and do our best to fill in the historical gaps - are we really to believe that the colonials either didn't do this or didn't take any of it with them? A lot of people seem to think the 12 Colonies just picked up where Kobol left off, which isn't the case at all. Presumably the people who ended up at the Colonies were in the same situation as the Colonials themselves were at New Caprica: they had ships, but everything else was gone. They had a stash of drugs sure, but no means of producing them. That's the reason the whole "zomg they were so stupid to throw their tech away" is so silly; their tech was already gone. Most people in general don't have much appreciation for infrastructure (see the whole Obama "you didn't do it alone" kerfluffle). Without the means to maintain those ships and iPods eventually they're going to break down and you're gonna be out there in a field trying to grow potatoes anyway. That's what happened on the Colonies. There's a bit of Lot's wife in that, not being willing to make a complete break with your past and that's why the cycle perpetuated. The idea on Earth 2 was that this time, they weren't going to look to what their heads could come up with; they were going to develop their hearts. So that when they eventually did create all those fancy gizmos the species would be mature enough to deal with AI in a responsible fashion.
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Sep 6, 2012 12:30
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DarkCrawler posted:I really don't understand why you keep toting this line as it has not been refuted ten times before. Because it hasn't and you're a loving retard. Edit: I just realized you said it hasn't been refuted. 
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Sep 6, 2012 22:29
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rolleyes posted:I still find myself agreeing with DarkCrawler about this although it's not worth getting ridiculously wound up about it whichever view you take. I'm not wound up, I just think DarkCrawler is a drooling idiot. Millions or billions survived the war on Kobol? Gimme a fuckin' break. Drivel, like everything else he says. I'm glad it came up again, because I've got a new appreciation for Lee's motivations in the whole back to nature thing. It wasn't about throwing everything away so that it'd take longer for the cycle to start again, it was about taking a different path and developing culturally and spiritually without the technology so that when humanity eventually did recreate AI it would be mature enough to handle them properly. It was a story, a work of fiction intended to make a statement. It was not a documentary or even a speculative what would happen if.
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Sep 7, 2012 15:30
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah too bad that fuckin' plan failed Huh? It was left ambiguous. STAC Goat posted:I've kind of accepted that for BSG to work you have to accept that everyone in that universe is remarkably stupid This is almost every story ever.
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Sep 7, 2012 17:22
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Astroman posted:I dunno, it was strongly hinted by that ending montage that our Roombas and Aismos will one day rise up against us. And here I was thinking that it was strongly hinted that they might not. Astroman posted:the Colonials didn't seem to have a lot of social dialogue about the ethics of roboslavery There was outright bigotry and an evident belief in the inferiority of AI. Imagine if our society was confronted with actual artificial intelligence, there would at least be some sort of debate. For the colonials, even when confronted with indistinguishable from human cylons, were dismissive to the point of bitter contempt.
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Sep 8, 2012 12:42
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STAC Goat posted:So the Final Five age? But do the rest of them? One of the Leobens says they were going to stay on Earth 2 with the Colonials until they "pass into God's hands", which pretty much says to me that yeah, they age and eventually die.
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Sep 9, 2012 00:47
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Sub Rosa posted:And if resurrecting resets your age, why would Ellen look the same age when she resurrects in No Exit, but Tigh look younger? I'm gonna file that under "suspension of disbelief".
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Sep 9, 2012 01:36
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Fast Luck posted:Kobol is a beautiful lush planet, not radioactive from the fallout of a war like Earth 1... I believe the implication there is that the war on Kobol happened so long ago that the planet was recovering from an Earth 1-like state. Would that really be plausible after 15,000 years? Shut up, it's a story. My guess about Kobol is that the head people brokered a peace in which both sides agreed to abandon the planet and go their separate ways. Hence the "cost in blood" myth. I think it's been said that the 12 colonies actually lost contact with each other after their technology deteriorated, and had only regained any semblance of being a cohesive civilization quite recently to the events in BSG. (For anthropological values of "recent".)
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Sep 18, 2012 13:41
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General Battuta posted:The dramatic tension of the Pegasus trilogy rests on the possibility that we may be 'better off with her than without her'. If none of her ruthlessness makes anything apparently 'better' - and if this ruthlessness also comes at considerable cost, such as most of her air wing, or her XO - there's no tension in the statement since it's clearly false. Starbuck probably didn't know all that, and who's gonna talk poo poo about someone at their own funeral? It was "we're gonna miss'em" rhetoric, happens all the time.
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Sep 26, 2012 03:36
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General Battuta posted:I think it's undercut less by showing the full extent of what she did and more by showing that her extreme actions did not achieve any particularly useful results. I think you're making the mistake a lot of people make of assuming Pegasus was in tip-top fighting shape. In fact it was probably in a worse situation than Galactica (antiquated ship and planes aside), being in the middle of a major refit when the cylons attacked so there likely wasn't a full crew. Then the damage from being nuked, the belief that they were the only humans left...and no "Earth" speech from Adama to give them hope. They were in a pretty bad place. Cain did do some pretty unforgivable beyond the pale things, but she also kept them alive. I'd consider that some sort of utility.
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Sep 26, 2012 21:08
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Astroman posted:a 2nd or 3rd season cancellation cliffhanger like you get with most genre shows. Can you imagine if they'd canceled BSG after the first season's cliffhanger?
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Sep 28, 2012 00:45
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counterfeitsaint posted:the rest of the show isn't built around this huge mystery you're waiting for at the end I'd argue that "Earth" was the huge mystery the entire show was built around.
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Oct 12, 2012 12:12
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Captain Splendid posted:it looks like they've added a fuckton of armour and guns to Galactica in that shot. No, that's how it's supposed to look. The one we know from the series has had a shitton removed.
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Nov 9, 2012 01:31
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So far I like this, wrench drops are a bit overused but I can see the story going places.
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Nov 10, 2012 21:08
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Well, that makes all the difference then! Anyway, I really like Coker and the guy Adama was fawning over. Hell, everyone on the ship just oozes jade.
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Nov 10, 2012 21:20
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Captain Splendid posted:Yeah, by the time of the main series there are about 120 battlestars. I still find this hard to swallow. Especially for a political state (the unified colonies) with just a tenuous they're out there somewhere and they might come back enemy. You'd probably want lots of small, fast as hell patrol ships backing up a few gently caress-off monstrous capital ships rather than 120 equivalents of an entire carrier group sucking up your civilization's entire economy.
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Nov 11, 2012 19:42
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1st AD posted:stupid wrench dropping. I thought it was pretty creative. The first thousand times.
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Nov 12, 2012 00:05
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Senor Tron posted:The population of the Twelve Colonies was somewhere between 25-50 billion people. So 75-150 times larger than the USA. If we consider Battlestars as equal to aircraft carriers then it seems fairly possible. Ignoring the fact that these are spaceships (much as BSG almost always did) that's still a staggering investment in defense against an enemy that hasn't been seen for 40 years. I just don't see any human society investing in a military like that after decades of peace. Certainly not an active one. So maybe they had 100 battlestars in a boneyard that were still considered part of the fleet? That I could buy.
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EC posted:As someone who watched Caproca to the bitter, boring end Someone is lying here, because the consensus is that Caprica didn't really get good until the very end.  Oh, you said Caproca, never heard of that.
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Nov 12, 2012 17:34
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John Dough posted:We can only hope the DVD sales are good enough for them to extend it, although that will likely never happen. I'm gonna bet they'll be good enough for some press mumblings to that effect, just to gently caress with us some more.
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Nov 17, 2012 22:23
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Captain Splendid posted:I think the series started going downhill where you started seeing more of the Cylon perspective, Downloaded being a good example. They just stopped being menacing. It was commentary on how what we really fear is the Unknown, and once you learn about things they're not scary anymore. Those devils that come from over the hill? They're just people like us.
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Sub Rosa posted:Did the Lords of Kobol create humans? We aren't told so, but considering the rest of the pattern of creation in the show, as well as it embracing the supernatural/religious, I would think so. Likewise it isn't clear that there was really a rebellion against the Lords of Kobol, but I don't recall it being clear what caused the human exodus 2000 years after the Thirteenth's own exodus. There is some bit about one of the Lords of Kobol wanting to be superior to the rest, but it's hard to see how that translates. My take on it is that the "Lords" were the head people of whoever the Baltar/Six players were and they got conflated into gods by oral history down through the centuries. That 2,000 years is how long the trip from Earth to the colonies took for the final five, I doubt there was any time at all between the exodus of the 13th tribe and the humans from Kobol. The last bit is TOS mythology, and doesn't have anything to do with the new show. I really wish we could get a complete Kobol show, it's vague enough to dodge all the "pfpt we know how things ended up" poo poo flung at Caprica. Also this B&C thing rocks pretty hard.
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I don't think they had much choice with the Willy thing, in order for his age to work out the whole creation of the cylons and their rebellion would've had to have taken less than a year and that's just not enough time in my opinion.
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Hawkman posted:Adama's first melee kill! He really should've been using a flashlight.
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