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I don't really see a need for colonial access to Zhongguo, the minerals aren't great and we have colony prospects elsewhere. My feeling is that we should go for tech first and minerals (particularly Mercassium) second. The problem with asking for a scientist is that it then requires our labs to get anything done, and our labs are already overtaxed with our own specialists.
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berryjon posted:FROM: General berryjon, UNGF FROM: Akratic Method, CO 81st Mobile Infantry TO: General berryjon, UNGF RE: Geneva Security Understood, sir. We're working with the French and Swiss governments and the commune of La Muraz on permission to set up anti-air coverage from the ridge overlooking the city from the southeast, and will be placing three squads of our troops on alert with the Swiss Corps of Engineers Motorboat Company flotilla to deploy into any waterside trouble from Lac Léman. The bulk of our force will remain outside the city limits to the west in an industrial area; the sort of place that has room for heavy equipment and supplies. With any luck we'll be able to stay there and not scare the populace, but if anything comes up that's beyond the means of the protective services and the local SWAT to handle, we'll be there so hard and fast they won't know what hit them. And unofficially, during my time on Iapetus we had an amicable working relationship with the Federation officers on the nearby moons--I'm confident that we'll be able to keep out of each other's ways and work together productively. Mathias Ryman, the security liaison from the city of Geneva, has been assisting us in organizing meetings between locals and the various security agencies and militaries involved to keep us all straight. Gnooble posted:My feeling is that we should go for tech first and minerals (particularly Mercassium) second. The problem with asking for a scientist is that it then requires our labs to get anything done, and our labs are already overtaxed with our own specialists. What if we asked them to build us a lab? If they do indeed have more industry than us, that might be a low enough opportunity cost that it wouldn't even need to be the whole price.
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Saros posted:
 Please shift pre construction priority. Before building labs, please allocate 10% of production to building 2 salvage modules Also please allocate 10% to building 2 36k Commercial Jump Drives. The spread sheet has been amended as well.
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We should angle for some kind of presence in Zhongguo so that we get to stare at the alien life through telescopes too. 
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Dec 16, 2014 18:16
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There's lots of alien life you have access to. I would know! I've been looking at them through thousands of lenses for years! Course, glass slides are a little different than telescopes...
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Dec 16, 2014 19:15
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Sky Shadowing posted:There's lots of alien life you have access to. I would know! I've been looking at them through thousands of lenses for years! We should give that man ten thousand tiny medals.
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Unrelated to current proceedings, bgreman, were there ever further developments with regards to Ambassador Aloyoshenka Kulikov, who came down with leukemia (supposedly)? For Zhongguo, why not ask to establish a scientific outpost/station one of our ~science spaceships~ out there and share any xenobiology developments with Fred in exchange? A full blown colony or military outfit may threaten them, but I imagine a small research outpost would be less alarming, especially with a conciliatory approach towards research sharing. I admit I don't know what that would look like in game terms. Setting up an actual lab on a celestial body in Zhongguo seems unlikely, since I am betting that requires a civilian support population. A science ship might be significantly easier since it would prevent the UN from making any end runs with the Articles of Colonization. e: what markus said e2: I've begun updating the Mars page on the Aurora wiki. I'm not quite into the events with the Brotherhood of Free Mars just yet. I have taken a few small liberties with a couple of the throwaway events around UN leaders' skill-ups that bgreman included in his updates, but nothing huge. I incorporated the whole text with some small adjustments of bgreman's flavor text about the Republic of Mars (RIP). POOL IS CLOSED fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Dec 16, 2014 |
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Samolety posted:You are currently attending the class of "Hands-On Experience 101" in Brazil! I think it's a pretty good deal. Hmm, I missed the reassignment, I dont always pay enough attention to the thread sorry about that. I looked at the chart again and noticed I also have a spying bonus which is cool now to improve those a little faster.
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I propose the following course of action. Let's just ring the Triumvirate and tell them: "Hey, we know there's life in Zhonguuo. This should be made public. If you don't make it public we will." "And we'd like to have our scientists there, thank you very much."
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TildeATH posted:We should give that man ten thousand tiny medals. I already had a metal struck and then laser sliced into 10,000 wafer-thin pieces. It was impossible to attach pins to all of them, so I'm just going to sprinkle them over whatever crate it is that we bring his slides back in.
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Zeroisanumber posted:It was impossible to attach pins to all of them I like to imagine this means you got through, like two dozen and then finally threw your hands up and said forget it.
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TildeATH posted:I like to imagine this means you got through, like two dozen and then finally threw your hands up and said forget it. I have subordinates for that work. Here's a picture of me delegating taken just this afternoon: 
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Whats that you say? Thread became dry and all business and suits when OUR HERO died bravely in the service of UNIN? well... That which is dead does not eternal lie. And with strange eons, even death may die.
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Raw_Beef posted:Whats that you say? Thread became dry and all business and suits when OUR HERO died bravely in the service of UNIN? Never thought you were dead, just sleeping. Also, if you come back and eventually lead a united humanity in a crusade against the alien menace, it would be just the most baller poo poo.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Never thought you were dead, just sleeping. I agree with this man, both on the status of life and the aforementioned baller poo poo. That being said, maybe this peace treaty will have something interesting happen. Or nothing. As we've been discussing, peacetime is kind of boring. Speaking of which...  Due to the fact that this peace conference will have the most powerful men in the world present at it, I intend on having my team present for security reasons. We would be a more on-site form of security compared to the UNGF, and we would hopefully be able to neutralize any problems before military intervention would be necessary.
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Saros posted:Bwengun we do get a bit of intel via IRC conversations with BG. Some doesn't make it to the thread as its usually fairly minor stuff and not always the most reliable. I suspected that might be the case, alas time zones mean I tend to be asleep when IRC is most active. Though I still say a little bit more info on the FEDs would be cool, even if vague and unreliable. As vague and unreliable stuff can easily be mocked up into in universe blog or newspaper articles for the amusement and edification of the thread. Edit: Also if my opinion is worth anything I'd say access to Zhongguo in any capacity will simply be a pointless and unnecessary drain on our resources that could be better spent elsewhere by focusing on the jump chains we have already begun exploring. Not to mention the fact that strategically any such concession will fare little better than Hong Kong did against the Japanese in WW2 as it will be isolated from support and easily overwhelmed by any FED aggression. If we want a listening post in FED territory the answer is not to ask for one, but to research better stealth technology and create a ship that can run slow and quiet to slip into FED systems. BwenGun fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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BwenGun posted:If we want a listening post in FED territory the answer is not to ask for one, but to research better stealth technology and create a ship that can run slow and quiet to slip into FED systems. In-universe, does passing through a gate release any kind of distinctive radiation or energy signature? i.e. is there anything besides the standard thermal emissions of the ship itself that they could look out for to indicate that something has entered the system? (If so, we should consider slapping sensors for it onto something to hang out by our own JPs. Just in case the MIND has small, low-thermal reconnaissance ships too!)
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Akratic Method posted:In-universe, does passing through a gate release any kind of distinctive radiation or energy signature? i.e. is there anything besides the standard thermal emissions of the ship itself that they could look out for to indicate that something has entered the system? There is no distinctive sensor reading for a ship coming through a gate. As for watching our JPs, we have pickets on station with active sensors on at very close ranges. An active sensor is essentially active sonar, so even the smallest, "quietest" ship will get pinged if it's close enough to the sensor.
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 Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce our newest line of ships that will soon be entering production, the Drake-class salvager and a commercial jump tender: code:Once you have been delivered the blueprints of the new salvaging module, finish retooling for the Drake class. (i.e. use the instatool) Wait until UNIN delivers the necessary engines and salvage module and then start production. BGreman, can you please give me an estimate of how long it would take for Sydney Shipworks to retool for Santa Maria? markus_cz fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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Echoing the sentiment that asking for some sort of presence in ZG is dumb as heck. We have absolutely nothing to gain by it, and it only serves to antagonize the federation.
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What is your reasoning for doing this? Fuel capacity would seem to be more important for a commercial jump tender and salvager than having limited passive detection. These ships aren't exactly going to be first into systems and roaming near habitable, unscouted worlds.
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 To: FAUN Ignatov From: UNFRAD, Samolety Subject: Arthur. C. Clarke Mr. Ignatov, With work on the Sol-Zhongguo gate nearly complete, the UNAS Arthur C. Clarke will be returning to UN duties. However, if the Federation wishes to continue using the services of Arthur C. Clarke, the UN is willing to consider a 2-year extension of its services. In exchange, the UN would be interested in Federation technological advances, especially in areas related to engine and jump-drive technology. Additionally, compensation in the form of mercassium or other valuable resources would be considered.
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That's a little straightforward, but I guess it's good just to get it out there.
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After following the discussion, it seemed that tech and resources were the two main things that could be agreed on. We don't really know what tech they have, so the only way to get anywhere is to cast a net and see what offer they send back. We can always counter-offer.
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markus_cz posted:BGreman, can you please give me an estimate of how long it would take for Sydney Shipworks to retool for Santa Maria? If retooling started "today" (3rd April 2037), it would complete on 5th March 2039. About 23 months.
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Gnooble posted:What is your reasoning for doing this? Fuel capacity would seem to be more important for a commercial jump tender and salvager than having limited passive detection. These ships aren't exactly going to be first into systems and roaming near habitable, unscouted worlds. Really the only reasoning was that the range of 75 bn km is ridiculously large - we don't need that much fuel. The Drakes are unlikely to get very far from our space - they will mainly salvage stuff in K2 and Roanoke, and perhaps escort freighters to and from Roanoke. They don't need 75 bn km in range. Above a certain value, any increase of range is basically pointless so even the small passive sensors seem to have more utility. I'd like to put those sensors on all our commercial ships, they take almost no space and could help spot Federation movements. Plus, the sacrifice of 2 HS (100 tons) wouldn't lower their range that much, would it? (If your concern is fuel, I'm about to order a line of jump tenders/tankers with 700 bn range in our other free shipyard. Saros is currently working on the designs.) EDIT2: Saros, do you think you can get me a terraforming module sooner than in 2 years? markus_cz fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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markus_cz posted:Plus, the sacrifice of 2 HS (100 tons) wouldn't lower their range that much, would it? When it only has 3 HS of fuel storage as is, you are proposing removing two thirds of it. That would drop the range down to about 25 billion km (about 2.5 round trips to the Sol-Roanoke JP).
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2 HS of Fuel on the Drake drops the range to 25 bn km, or 1/3 the previous. The large fuel tanks would also allow the tenders to function as impromptu tankers, extending the range of other ships. Well yea, it wouldn't take much room, but it will slow down turn processing while providing miniscule detection. The size 1s were designed to give the Lyells a chance to detect alien colonies (colonies have EM and TH sigs in the tens of thousands) not for any sort of close in detection, that's why we built the larger sensors for the Endymions, who, in addition to having higher sensitivity, are small enough to get close to probable enemy locations undetected. Unfortunately, commercial ships can't use sensors above 1 HS. The range of the size 1 thermal will allow it to detect a Skory at cruising speed at a mere 1 million km, which sounds great, except that space is big, and a 1 mn km passive range is equivalent to peering out your kitchen window to look for traffic in another country. The only place a commercial ship would reasonably pick up signatures would be in an established and busy shipping lane such as the Earth-Mars DDL. Gnooble fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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bgreman posted:When it only has 3 HS of fuel storage as is, you are proposing removing two thirds of it. That would drop the range down to about 25 billion km (about 2.5 round trips to the Sol-Roanoke JP). God drat it, really? I'm too used to playing Aurora 6.0 where the fuel calculations are completely different. Thanks for telling me. Of course ignore the order, please, I'm going to delete it. EDIT: Gnooble posted:The only place a commercial ship would reasonably pick up signatures would be in an established and busy shipping lane such as the Earth-Mars DDL. Or on jump points, which is why I wanted to give them to tenders. markus_cz fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Dec 17, 2014 |
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I finished making a big update to the Mars wiki entry. I definitely didn't lose it when my account mysteriously logged out in the middle of the day, no way. Definitely didn't have to re-do that and probably omit little factoids. 
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I was under the impression that every ship had a default Thermal/EM detection of a 1 HS sensor anyway?
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RedTonic posted:I finished making a big update to the Mars wiki entry. I definitely didn't lose it when my account mysteriously logged out in the middle of the day, no way. Definitely didn't have to re-do that and probably omit little factoids. It's still excellent though! Great work. 
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Added Space posted:I was under the impression that every ship had a default Thermal/EM detection of a 1 HS sensor anyway? No. Every ship had a thermal/EM detection strength of 1, period. It means it can detect a thermal emission of 1 at 1000 km.
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RedTonic posted:I finished making a big update to the Mars wiki entry. I definitely didn't lose it when my account mysteriously logged out in the middle of the day, no way. Definitely didn't have to re-do that and probably omit little factoids. I too echo what others have said, great work with the wiki, I loved the Mars entry! Readingaccount posted:Where do you get all these nice pictures? (Someone named Plumm apparently.) I totally didn't see this post last page. Basically I don't have one source for my pictures, I'll usually just spend an hour or two on deviantart trying to find cool sci-fi pictures that look like they could match our setting. I try and find the semi-realiic art if at all possible. I'm bad about citing the numerous artists whose pictures I've pulled for UNN updates. Also pro tip for everyone, if you want to find a cool planet image, be careful on deviant art, most of the times whenever I typed in Mars or Moon I ended up getting very...odd drawings of Sailor Moon characters.
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Thanks! I think I'll work on expanding the Mars-related stuff while that's fresh in my mind. (And I guess I better aggressively check that I stay logged in...) bgreman, I put your Belnar in Our Time and Theirs write-up into the wiki. Unfortunately the neat pictures can't be embedded if they're not in the wiki directory. e: I intend to source aggressively so that in case of future UN shenanigans, the major actors can point to past events with more certainty. I'm very glad it's appreciated! Skeletons of related pages are going into place, should have those more fleshed out and cited over the next couple days. If someone wouldn't mind looking over the http://bgreman.com/AuroraLPWiki/Second_Treaty_of_Mars page and providing whatever the actual text of that agreement turned out to be, that would be awesome (TildeATH?). In any case I'll have that page done today based on what I could find in the thread. \/\/\/\/ POOL IS CLOSED fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Dec 18, 2014 |
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Thanks for the sourcing!
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That Mars page is a thing of beauty.
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Thank you for all this history. Keep it up 
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I definitely did not spend all day working on an unauthorized Kala TildeATH biography. Not complete, but getting there.
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RedTonic posted:I definitely did not spend all day working on an unauthorized Kala TildeATH biography. Needs more scandalous liaisons.
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