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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
:siren: TEEN WOLF HAS BEEN RENEWED FOR A 24-EPISODE SEASON 3!!:siren:

Teen Wolf, the oh so prestigious Teen Choice Award-winning MTV show, has now completed its second season and is gearing up for its third. It's ostensibly based around the classic film, Teen Wolf, but is really more of a Buffy clone about a decade late to the gate. Yet, for all its faults, one thing is true: it is both genre-appropriately dorky and yet unfathomably entertaining. Yes, I am telling you with a straight face: watch Teen Wolf.



As one might imagine, it's about a teenage guy who is bitten by a werewolf and must learn to adjust to this new life. Thankfully, he's got a set of good friends on his side. Unfortunately, he has a hell of a lot of enemies too--including his girlfriend's crazy parents. It's a show about finding your place in the world, only with werewolves who play lacrosse. And no vampires! I consider that a bonus, personally. The writing might not win non-Teen-Choice-related awards, but damned if it isn't a good show to watch while chowing down on some popcorn with some friends. It's better than a show called Teen Wolf has any right to be.

What does this show have to offer? Well, the angst is kept surprisingly appropriate for the topic, the female characters are well-written compared to most, its treatment of the subject matter is fun without being patronizing (yet dark enough to be fulfilling), the side characters (such as a coach) are hilarious, the characters often act too smart instead of too stupid, the gore is pretty outstanding, it has lizard men, many people have complex motivations, and the guys take their shirts off ALL the time. And they are HELLA FINE.

I guess the ticket is that this is a guilty pleasure show. Especially for the other TV IV ladies around here. If you know what I mean. :q:

Where Can I Watch It?

MTV, TeenNick, or Netflix. Or you could always buy it on iTunes; it's not very expensive.

The Plot:

Scott is bitten by a werewolf while exploring a murder scene with his friend Stiles. He then encounters Derek, a resident werewolf, who is !mysterious!. A housefire is mentioned. poo poo goes down. Werewolf hunters are in town. An "Alpha" needs to be found. Locker room scenes. Men getting pushed up against lockers. Men taking their shirts off. Derek takes his shirt off. Flaming arrows! Molotov cocktails. An artlessly-realized "eyes flashing" effect. Derek gets his shirt taken off.

In Season 2, which is shaping up even better than Season 1, there's a mystery monster on the loose which is playing merry hell with the power dynamics of the town, which are split between at least three powerful contingents (and a few wildcards). Derek gets his shirt taken off.

The Who's Who:

Scott McCall:


Pictured left

Our main protagonist and the titular "teen wolf" although he, like the rest of the cast, appear closer to retirement than they are to the age sixteen. He plays lacrosse like a, well, lovely lacrosse player until he is bitten by a werewolf and becomes a lacrosse star! (I'm not going to lie, watching the lacrosse scenes are kind of fun.) His grades are terrible, especially in chemistry. His best friend is Stiles. He lives with his mother and his girlfriend is Allison. When photographed, his eyes, like those of other werewolves, appear to be lens flares. Right on!

Allison Argent:



Our competent and attractive female lead--the new girl at Scott's school. She is reasonable, loyal, caring, and a popular student despite her newcomer status. Her best friend is Lydia, though they start off as rather different. She (that being Allison) begins dating Scott early into the show, which is a bit problematic, since she comes from a family of werewolf hunters. Oops. Her dad is a massive cock, but her mother is even worse. Allison is also an excellent archer, so poor CGI arrows abound!

Lydia Martin:


Lydia is hot, preppy, popular, well-dressed, boy-driven, and--as it's revealed--a very skilled genius. She can ice skate with the best, bowl like a champion, and she's one of the finest math and science students the school has ever seen. This girl has a future, much as she's trying to hide it. She begins as a Cordelia-esque character, but never has the rough edge. She can be insensitive but she's good from the get-go. Lydia's a great one to have on your team. She is dating Jackson at the beginning of the show, thanks in part to his position as lacrosse captain.

Stiles Stilinski:



Our "teen wolf"'s best friend and well-performing (if dorky) student. He also plays lacrosse, but by virtue of not being a werewolf, is not very good at it. He's the general comic relief character and despite what that title would suggest, he is actually kind of funny and endearing. He's good-hearted and upbeat. He has a crush on Lydia, and has since third grade. His father is the sheriff of the city, which is very convenient for Scott and the others. He, like so many characters in the cast, is brown-eyed despite having blue-eyed parents. Oh, California....

Derek Hale:



The first friendly(ish) werewolf Scott encounters. Derek Hale begins as a beta werewolf who is trying to find the "alpha" in town. His entire family, except for his sister and uncle, were killed a brutal housefire which is a major plot point for season 1. He is mysterious and takes his shirt off often. The latter part is important. This guy is smokin'. He's basically like Angel from Buffy, only slightly less angst and way more smoulder.

Jackson Whittermore:



This guy takes his shirt off ALL the time. And boy, underneath... :allears:. I think he, uh... yeah!

But it's all about :

Peter Hale



Peter Hale is the alpha in season 1, and is revived at the end of season 2. He is so damned sassy! Also, his character is of legal age. So that's a plus.

He's a bit of a bad boy, in that he murders people, but y'know.



Why Should I Watch This Show?

  • It's fun teenage drama. You know, like Buffy. Buffy was an entertaining show!
  • Hilariously bad CGI. Like, you wouldn't believe this was made in the 2010s.
  • Hilariously bad non-CGI! Yes, not even the traditional effects are immune!
  • The weird feeling you get when you're attracted to "high schoolers" who are in their mid twenties. They're sixteen but they're not! Oh god! Is this right? Is it so wrong?
  • They set up things well enough that there is an element of mystery when something strange is going on.
  • Stiles' father. A great character.
  • The Coach. An even greater character.
  • A gay character who is actually decently written?!
  • So far it's been improving, not getting worse. Cool.
  • A few jokes that land amazingly well.
  • They use technology intelligently; e.g. taking phone photos of stuff instead of copying it by hand.
  • Cool llllladies!
  • This:











So come join us for...



TEEN FAUN!
(That's an unusually bad screencap; don't worry.)

(Now featuring no-poo poo replica Narsil as a werewolf hunting sword. This show is not very high-budget, in case you didn't realize that.)




:toot: :toot: :toot: MACY'S MACY'S MACY'S :toot: :toot: :toot:

Pick fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Nov 26, 2012

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Boogaleeboo posted:

It is a show that is infinitely better than being on MTV would lead one to believe. The story is more compelling than it has any right to be, they go about as bloody and well choreographed as they can on their budget, and like any *good* genre show it's basically wall to wall hot twenty somethings that can actually act. Definitely worth a watch.

I think that's really the ticket. There's no way this show should have ended up as good as it is, yet there you have it. And the pilot doesn't really give a good indication of how well it's handled. The actors are pretty loving remarkable (with the exception of Scott, who is fine, and Allison's dad who I think is a little much... he's convincing, but too convincing, if that makes any sense). The character motivations always make sense. (I don't necessarily like how Ericka is being handled, but her talk about being an epileptic was smart, I thought.)

The season one plot was good, but season two is absolutely gripping. It's fun to have characters trapped in the middle of two sides which are not quite equally wrong. My favorite thing about the writing, though, is the clever little touches, such as:

- The person who said "I'm not sure if I can translate this..." who gets urged to "just try" actually does translate it incorrectly in a super important way.
- The bestiary was on a USB drive. This makes a lot of sense actually. Why wouldn't they digitize it?
- Using their phones to copy info with a picture instead of stealing the item.
- Jackson piecing together Scott being a werewolf with less evidence than you'd expect, as opposed to in shows like Buffy where normal people are apparently retarded.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Gaunab posted:

This show looks very...white.

Deaton, the doctor/werewolf expert is black, as is one of the werewolves, Boyd and the guidance counselor in season 2. And Jackson's best friend (a character set up to join the main cast as tech expert) is native Hawaiian. So, rather white, but not as white as the OP suggests.

Pick fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jul 12, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Boogaleeboo posted:

Main character is a bit of a mutt in real life, so I don't think he'd pass Aryan racial standards either.

Yeah, his mother is Mexican, right?

Anyway, I was surprised by how many of the main cast members have brown eyes. And not even amber-brown, but straight-up brown. Crystal Reed's eyes are like black or something.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

courtney_beth posted:

Netflix has season 1 on instant streaming, and I've been slowly catching up. I'm excited to join the show discussion. I like what I see so far, even though it's only two episodes. MTV hasn't had a show this engaging since Undressed. :3:

And I'm glad someone else is posting in this thread! I had no idea if anyone else here watched it (even though they should!) But oh man, wait until you get to season 2. I'm gnawing off my fingernails here.

Manos del Sino posted:

Jackson is an incredible dick (seriously, I have never wanted to see somebody in a show get punched in the nuts so bad)

Not even Allison's mom?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

courtney_beth posted:

I'm not sure who I am suppose to like on this show, but Stiles is pretty cool. I'm sure things will change as I get further into the series.

I think everyone has characters they like more or less than others, and it's designed to be that viewed that way. For example, some people love Derek, but I think he's kind of boring. Meanwhile, I think Jackson is great, even though he's a giant rear end in a top hat (Oh, Jackson, what are you going to do now you jerk?). Lydia is my favorite though :allears:.


Also, the special effects get way better Season 2, when they use more bodysuits and makeup and less CGI.

Anyway, some Serious Season 2 Questions:


  • Why did the counselor get the translation wrong? Was it intentional?
  • Why was Lydia differently affected by the werewolf bite? What's happening to her?
  • How could she see Peter's dying face in her hallucinations when she never saw this happen?
  • Who was the boy that Lydia saw? There's definitely something "up" with him. The flower he picks isn't the same color as the flowers behind her. He is supposedly her neighbor but she hasn't seen him before. He lives "in the house back there"? He's very possibly a hallucination, but of what? Does it relate to Peter, as the other hallucinations do? Why the hell is he wearing a sheepskin jacket in California? Was the man she saw young Peter? If so, what is the relevance of that?
  • Why was Lydia unaffected by the toxin? (I think Aaron wants to kill her and faked the attempt; that is, she was never poisoned.) Why was Jackson affected by the toxin when we know he's a Kanima?
  • Is there only one Kanima? Could it be that Jackson got a different Kanima's toxin?
  • Was the Kanima actually going after Danny (vs. say, Danny's ex), and if so, why?
  • Why did it kill the mechanic? What was the advantage of that?
  • Who took the tablet with the video on it? What for?
  • Who edited the video originally? What for?
  • What was Lydia doing in the woods for those two days?
  • Is Grandpa Argent's pill-popping relevant? And what is his connection to the Kanima?
  • What is the photographer guy's deal? Is he after Allison as a crush or something different? Does he have an inkling of what's going on or is he a red herring?
  • Why is being adopted such a big loving deal to Jackson?
  • Who is this mysterious "Macy's" and why do signs for it keep appearing even in very odd yet conspicuous places?

Unfortunately, some interesting answers are almost certainly invalid because the writers wouldn't go there, which in some cases leaves few alternatives. For example, that guidance counselor is definitely up to Some poo poo. However, I think Mr. Harris is a second Kanima partially for plot reasons and partially for show-external reasons. He has mentioned he thinks Jackson needs to prove himself to someone, he quotes Einstein and the car bumper-sticker is an Einstein quote, and he isn't killing students from his class.

Pick fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 7, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Slamhound posted:

I enjoy this show and I'm glad there's a thread for it. Stiles and the coach were kind of the litmus test for me since the humorous elements of a show like this make it or break it.

As far as Lydia, last season I got the sense they were leaning towards witchcraft, with her chemistry-out-of-nowhere skills being like potion-making. Last season was exclusively werewolves, so I wasn't sure if they were ever going to expand away from that, but obviously they have.

Yeah, I was thinking someone was going to be a witch, but now I suspect it's the guidance counselor. They're being careful about which creatures they add, and I like that, but that one would still seem to fit in the universe they're making.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

erazure posted:

Yay, good-awful TV!

Re: Pick's questions, my observations: :words: so many words.
What's Up With Lydia hasn't gotten any resolution. But considering she was immune to the werewolf bite and the venom points to being Something Weird. Scott's fumbling to think of something to make Derek not kill her theorizes outloud she has some sort of not-natural immunity; Jackson's IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT YOU RUIN EVERYTHING tirade earlier also put dialogue out there re:her having some immunity he figures she passed along to him. Her superintelligence points toward a seer-type capacity, largely uncontrolled; she breaks her mirror, leading to the viewer thinking her the Kanima. Spouting off philosophy to the guidance councilor, the previously mentioned chemistry awesomeness; she's smart, sure, and apparently learns anything and everything she puts her mind to, but like Peter's face, she stretches the limits of reality, and just knows and "sees" things she flatly should be unable to know without being somewhat supernatural at the least.

I agree that it would be insane if they had that educational school video about immunity in there if it had no application later on (plus the conversation you mentioned). And it seems obvious that, given the thrust of Season 2, it has to relate to the Kanima, hence Jackson, thus almost certainly Lydia. I mean, who else among the cast is relevant AND has a connection like that? At this point, there's no question that Lydia is supernatural in some way, for reasons you mentioned. (I mean, these can't be "normal" hallucinations. It would be too nonsensical even for a show like Teen Wolf.) Tangentially, this is also a reason I expect Danny to join the main cast. If Lydia, Jackson, Derek, and Scott are all supernatural beings, with Allison as another weirdie (despite not being outright supernatural), then that leaves Stiles as the only "normal" human, and that's getting a little too slim to keep the show grounded. He'll probably get sub-Jackson/Lydia-level screentime, but I expect he'll be let in on things. Relatedly, what the gently caress is with them not telling Lydia what is going on? Jesus loving christ! I like Allison, but in the last episode when she was all "WELL YOU DON'T GET EVERYTHING YOU WANT WHEN YOU WANT IT" I was like, dude! Dude, Allison! Dude!

quote:

Given that Kanima-Jackson is looking to be under the thrall of whoever his "master" turns out to be, possibly to the point of having his memory suppressed while human if not also fully under their control, it's probably a given that whoever's pulling the strings wanted Danny dead in case he actually had watched the video on his tablet, which Jackson or the master had taken from the car. I'd assume killing off Jackson's nearest and dearest would make him easier to control -- I expect a "REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE WE LOVE YOU" from his parents/Danny, honestly; maybe master dude is genre-savvy enough to see that coming, too.
Haha, seriously. I will eat my hat if that scene doesn't happen. But you're right--there was good reason for the master to want the tablet taken and anyone who had seen the video destroyed. But still, it makes me a bit suspicious, because killing Danny seems unusually rough for most of our primary suspects. I'm still feeling Mr. Harris is the master/2nd Kanima (which I suspect is a thing, partially because I'd be surprised if they really want to make Jackson a killer if they balked at that for Aaron even) and Danny is one of the students he seems to tolerate. But who knows!

quote:

Why take the tablet? Concrete proof of the supernatural, proof Jackson = Kanima, would make Scott's and Stiles' defense of "kidnapping" Jackson more believable, keeping Jackson's "secret identity" makes him more useful since it keeps him protected and also gives him greater access to people. His kills seem pretty focused on locals; it isn't put out if the hunter he ganked came from town or not, but seems likely. Crazy revenge-seeker? "Jerkasses who wronged me in the past, fly my pretty, kill!" When it looked like Lydia was the kanima, I assumed the killed garage guy might've been an ex-boyfriend, someone from an older class; there had to be a captain before Jackson, after all!
I also thought that would be good evidence for it being Lydia, except that I didn't think they'd make Lydia a killer. It was a little too cruel for the show, especially since they were setting her up for having another purpose early on. Keeping her on as a murderer, even an unintentional one, seems a little dark for her just yet. To me it's less "why take it?" and more like "who?" There are a lot of people who stood to benefit, even photographer guy for reasons that could be completely disconnected from what else is going on. He's suspicious as hell, anyway. And right now I'm not thinking Grandpa Argent is the master, though I think he's trying to manipulate the master.

quote:

Also "snakes can't be poisoned by their own venom" is Derek's conjecture based on random snake knowledge, not from any actual Kanima knowledge. Perhaps transformed Jackson would be immune, but in human form he's just normal. To consider: he's still bitchy about being "normal" before the last episode... but during his emo lacrosse fest, he can lift his car himself, but doesn't remark on it later. I put another point in the master dude being able to gently caress him memory possibility. Hopefully Lydia's full translation will explain more about Kanima. Most definitely Grandpa Argent's already gone through the text, and I expect it will reveal that Jackson has no control with the master's domination, and knew that if he wasn't aggressive towards the Kanima or got in the way, and wasn't previously a target, he would be ignored.
Yeah, this seems very likely. I do wonder if they'll be able to cure Jackson, and if not, will he need a "new" master? Who could they possibly assign who wouldn't make things kind of messed-up? And yet I would be surprised if they undo his change, because I think that they are going to want to keep him suffering for his hubris. It's quality angst material for a show that is pretty much designed to capitalize on such. Also, I did find Derek's hypothesis pretty amusingly stupid, because snakes don't swallow their own venom; they inject it. And snakes can certainly kill other snakes of the same species with a bite. I'd love for someone to be like "Derek, you're an idiot, that's why your test didn't work, diddle-brain."

quote:

I'd like to pretend the possibilities for all these theories and questions points to good writing, but I'm not that delusional.
I'm hoping that about 33% of this is cleverness. If they manage even that much, it'll probably be a drat fine watch :buddy:.

Pick fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jul 7, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Slamhound posted:

With the focus on Jackson's adoption hangup, I'd say there's a good possibility that the Master is one of his birth parents. It would reasonably reconcile the translation error; "parent" could be read as a combination of "friend" and "master." In this case, Lydia's supposed affect on him would be a misdirection.

This occurred to me, but in that case, who would qualify? I have a hard time believing they'd use someone new this late in the season.

Interestingly, on the subject of family in Teen Wolf, the writers have stated that the abnormally large number of single-parent homes (Scott, Lydia, Stiles, Aaron) was intentional and have suggested that it may soon grow (:ohdear:).

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Judging from the gay bar scene, I will be very surprised and disappointed if we don't get at least one melodramatic gay kiss on this show :colbert:.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

erazure posted:

All of the not-plot-related Stiles action in the gay club scene was extremely awesome.

"Really, Scott? You think?" Morosely remains getting pet by drag queens.

:xd:
That was great :haw:.



Also, an unlikely outcome for Jackson, but I think it would be deliciously angst-acious if he were adopted for his dormant powers, and his adoptive father is the "master". And this was how his father actually knew Jackson was missing.

Pick fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jul 8, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Don't forget to catch Teen Wolf tonight! The episode is called "Restraint" and I'm told that it's more of a bottle episode, but that doesn't mean it won't be awesome :toot:.

TEEN WOLF!

e: It's not a bottle episode at all! Who said this to me?!

Pick fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jul 10, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Reactions to tonight's Teen Wolf! :


  • That was an insanely intense intro. Way better than I expected from a show like this. That was like real-horror-movie quality, not "MTV reboot of Teen Wolf" quality.
  • Haha, the condom scene!
  • I don't know how they can expect Lydia to keep doing all this poo poo for them when they won't even tell her what's going on when it's SUPER RELEVANT to her.
  • Allison has perfect grades too? That's Lydia, Stiles, Allison, and we're also told Jackson's grades are good. Is Scott the only dumbfuck? I kind of hope so because he's my least favorite of the main cast. Ohohoh.
  • As much of a cock as Mr. Harris is, I can see where he's coming from. Scott comes across as such a jerk from his point of view.
  • The locker fight scene was amazing :aaa:
  • The guy who plays Jackson is a surprisingly good actor for a guy who got his start doing photo shoots for "gay interest" magazines.
  • Photographer dude is hella bad news.
  • I like how Lydia called out that dude for being creepy as poo poo.
  • I love those pop-chip things. I didn't even notice it was product placement for a second. Yum yum yum.
  • It actually kind of makes sense how they're getting some of these records. That's kind of cool.
  • UGH THAT SNAKE GROSS :gonk:
  • Allison's mother is so terrifying. Jesus. I liked the aggressive pencil sharpening though.
  • MR. HARRIS' CAR. I AM TOO GOOD AT THIS. AHAHAHAHA!
  • Creepy puppet Jackson!
  • I think Lydia got the memories of the alpha from Peter and they're manifesting in some crazy way.
  • ... Man. This show got hardcore. First Ericka's arm and now the pregnant lady? drat.
  • HOLY GOD that was a creepy ending.

Manos del Sino posted:

That locker room brawl was actually pretty cool. The fight choreography in the show could be better, but then I remind myself I'm watching MTV and realize I'm pretty impressed. Next week looks good too - I prefer when there's lots of Argents in the episode.

So who is controlling the kanima? I have a few suspects, everyone from creeper photography guy to the chemistry teacher to Grandpa Argent.
I thought it was Harris and still do. But it might be whoever it was who killed Jackson's parents (accidentally or purposefully).

I like how they're balancing Jackson; I like him, but he's enough of an rear end that I like to see him suffer, too.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Gordong Dongbay posted:

I honestly think it's the chemistry teacher. For a random character he gets a lot of screen time and always seems to be involved in a main plot line one way or another. I honestly thought he was the alpha in season one so it makes sense unless they are going to just cock tease everyone with him each season.

Also, I expect that Scott will "fail" chemistry--DUN DUN DUNNN! HAVE TO BE HELD BACK A YEAR!! ... and then not when Mr. Harris dies/escapes (which he has to at this point, if he's a killer), because when your teacher dies things go a little weird.

erazure posted:

The last Lydia scene leads to the question that if she's not JUST crazy and Peter's intelligence has somehow infected her brain and was honest in his Xanatos gambit reveal monologue, how would he had have known about her immunity beforehand? The plot doesn't so much thicken as ... clot.
They've actually been surprisingly good at remembering who knows what (such as Danny not recognizing Derek... but of course he wouldn't, because he never saw Derek before and photos of Derek don't work). So I think there might be a reason he would know. (To be fair, she did live right next to them also... he might have inoculated her or something like that when she was a baby.)

e: There is a theory though that the master is an Argent, possibly Allison's mother, because of Jackson's flip-out regarding Scott. If that wasn't Jackson controlling Jackson, it has to be someone who knows that Scott is a werewolf, know Allison's family is made of werewolf hunters, knows that their relationship is still in progress, and INTENSELY wants it to end.

Pick fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 10, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Manos del Sino posted:

Gerald is actually my leading choice.

Mr. Harris is too obvious and probably a red herring, much like last season. On the other hand, Grampy Argent had that whole stare-down moment with the kanima and it seems clear that he's a lot more in-the-know about what they are facing than anybody else in the house. Plus, none of this started to present itself until he showed up. Could just be coincidence, but he's my prime suspect.

He wouldn't be the worst red herring, either, since Harris has been shown coming to Jackson's defense before (season 1). However, Gerard seems a little too blankly evil to be the one responsible. I'd be disappointed, anyway. Especially since I thought the Season 1 twist was pretty good. Nice and tortured but not stupid.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

erazure posted:

Also, does anyone have any idea WTF was up with the opening scene people?

I think it's to establish that someone is trying to make another Kanima by killing a pregnant mother from whom a live baby can be born (in the fashion of Jackson's gruesome birth)... or maybe just to establish more of the Kanima "rules" Gerard referenced.

I do really like your theory that Jackson is still "seeking" a master and doesn't have just one set one yet. Gerard implied that the Kanima could be manipulated; maybe he knows it doesn't have a master yet and is therefore receptive to anyone who looks like they might be able to assert that position?

I suspect that there could be some emotional-leverage-style advantage to the Argents killing one of their own (especially to Chris and Allison). However, I don't know why they'd kill Aaron's dad.

Pick fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Jul 10, 2012

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

starksfergie posted:

also, I've watched both seasons and I'm trying to figure out who Aaron is from the posts above?!?! Are yall talking about Isaac?

You know, I was. I always get those two names confused because of the double "A"s. I have no idea why I do this :psyduck:.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

KilGrey posted:

I'm not liking what they are doing to Derek this season. He's one of my favorite characters, if for nothing else than the hot factor. What? I can be shallow if I want to be. :colbert: I hope they pull him back toward the 'good' side. I do love it though when he sends his new cronies after Scott and Scott kicks their asses.
I think he's stayed pretty "good" but yeah, I agree he's been both badly-utilized and under-utilized this season. I get the impression they're not actually sure what to do with him right now.

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I also agree that I really like what they do with the women on this show. They are all strong and can take care of themselves. Even irritating werechick. Lydia may not be physically strong but she can think them all under the table. I loved when Allison used the Kanima juice on the arrow.
Ericka bugs me too, though her backstory works. I just wish they'd extended that into a better character post-bite. Lydia is not only smart, but she's very strong in a non-physical sense. Allison's kanima venom trick was amazing.

quote:

I think Stiles might be one of my favorite characters. He reminds me of something out of an '80s movie. Some of my favorite scenes actually are between he and his dad. They have great father/son chemistry together.
"You're not gay."
"Well I could be!"
"Not dressed like that." :rimshot:

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And how the gently caress does Lydia not know about werewolves yet? Or at least something weird? She was at the school when the Alpha trapped them in, she was frickin' attacked and bitten by him later and has been around all this weird poo poo. She has to suspect something. Just tell the poor girl already! Maybe she'll be a bit less cray-cray. Or at least tell you exactly how cray-cray she's been lately.
Scott and the others not telling Lydia about this stuff is one of the most immoral things the main cast has done/is doing.

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Doesn't the chemistry teacher (Mr. Harris?) know about the supernaturals? I seem to remember an encounter with him and the Argents but I could be misremembering something.
He talks to ... Derek? Or something? in season 1. I think it's implied that he might. I'm thinking he's a bit of a Snape character, in that he's a jackass who is ultimately good maybe? I'm suspicious of him being the master now that they've hinted it so much. It's like CSI; they can't figure it out until there's only five minutes left :colbert:.

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I don't think it's photog boy. He's more collecting evidence that not all is right with Scott and company and will realize what's going on by the end of the season. He also seemed surprised when he read the tablet translation and seemed to not know what a Kanima was.
I think photog boy is going to be a wildcard and possibly a next-season villain/problem figure.

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It seems weird that someone had an intent to make Jackson a Kanima. First they'd have to find a way for him to be bitten by a werewolf right? I mean, what are the chances of that? I'd think it's more a crime of opportunity.

That's a good point. But does that mean Jackson being a Kanima (which is assumed to be very rare) is just coincidence? Also, the text mentioned that a Kanima can't "fully transform" until it resolves blah blah something past blah something. Does that mean Jackson is going to someday be able to go... more snakey than snakeman?

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I didn't quite mean a coincidence in terms of it all being set up beforehand up to and including his parents' death, but just coincidence in terms of the guy who went out seeking a werewolf bite just happens to have the potential to be something completely different and be dating someone even completely different from that (we think)? Something so rare that Derek--were for life--has only vaguely heard of it and Chris doesn't even know what the heck? Ah well, in this kind of show everyone's allowed to be one-of-a-kind special.

Also, screencap!



I'm not sure if I read this as meaning that the final transformation is still into a traditional werewolfy werewolf.

e: I too am typing a lot about Teen Wolf :ohdear:. Oh well.

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:siren: Teen Wolf was renewed for a 24 episode Season 3! :siren:

Volcano posted:

I know he still exclusively hangs out with high school kids but it's just not the same for some reason :colbert:

I love it when he does that :allears:. And I love how everyone reacts, well, realistically. You really have to wonder why he thinks it's okay to just pop in. Poor social skills, I suspect.

KilGrey posted:

If I turned around and found Derek standing in my bedroom I think I'd have a very different reaction than Scott and Stiles.

:haw:

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I see Danny as being a very clear test-the-waters character, and I have not met a single Teen Wolf viewer who didn't like him. I would not be at all surprised if there's a gay pairing in the show's future (aside from Danny and his nameless boyfriend-now-ex). It's a show where the lead writer is gay and the audience is primarily women on a channel watched primarily by young people. If any show is going to make that kind of jump, wouldn't it be something like this one?

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By the way, KilGrey, it was Derek and Stiles (which frankly I never really saw, but would be on board for I guess, whatever).

And they're referring to this:



I'd rather Danny and Jackson, since Danny seems to know how to handle him and I'd like to see someone with better leverage over Jackson.

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KilGrey posted:

Yeah I don't see Stiles and Derek at all. I could see Danny and Stiles if they went with it but Derek seems a really odd, out of left field choice to me. Are there really people out there that see some underlying subtext between them or is just wishful thinking because they like the two characters? Not to mention, how old is Derek even?
I might perceive it more if I had watched Season 1 as it aired instead of on Netflix pretty much straight through (with less time to reflect)... but as it stands, yeah, I don't see them as having that kind of chemistry. Maybe people like the fact that they're somewhat at odds? I'm not sure. And to tell you the truth, I have no idea how old Derek is supposed to be in the show. I would have said late twenties, but then I realized this was Teen Wolf and everyone is about eight years younger than the actor or actress who plays them.

By the way, am I the only person who thinks Derek was a perfect casting choice? That guy looks like a werewolf, makeup or no.

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And drat y'all for actually make me seriously think about this.

It's a thread about Teen Wolf, a super gay show. I consider this a safe space for talking about the gayness of this super gay show. :v:

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Slamhound posted:

:toot:


Well, I was about as wrong as you can get on the Master being one of Jackson's parents. By process of elimination, my new guess must be about as right as you can get: Dr. Deaton, Werewolf Veterinarian.

He's a minor character with some pretty thorough knowledge of what's going on (that's basically what Uncle Alpha was in the first season). He's friendly to Scott's crew, hostile to the Argents and wary of the Hales. That seems somewhat in line with the MO of the Kanima; it spares Stiles in the garage and pool, kills an Argent hunter after Allison leaves, and takes off without confrontation when Derek's pack surrounds the house.
That's a good guess, but man, the nice vet man? :(

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I think it would suck if Danny was relegated to only being the test-the-waters-gay-character. Though I can't really see him with Stiles, Derek or Jackson. Quite frankly, Scott seems like the most comfortable match. Go for the brass ring, MTV!
He's a tough one to fit, I think, because he still needs to fit in with the dynamics of the other characters. I expect they want him to stay pretty pure protagonist, so Derek might be out. Stiles is a non-paranormal person, so you don't get that delicious angst fodder of someone being an outsider with a secret. Hence my preference for Jackson... but Jackson's kind of a dick and it would be relatively redundant because he and Jackson already have a link. It makes more sense to link him to someone else in order to help integrate him into the group.

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Also of interest: Women in Teen Wolf - The Menfolk Say it's a Matriarchy

While it's overly harsh on Allison and Lydia in general, I think it's fairly spot-on regarding the supposed "Argent Women Are Leaders" line.
I agree that Ericka has not been used well as a character and I don't like what they're suggesting with her new, post-bite persona. However, the last episode used her unusually well and I think she can be redeemed as a part of the show. Also, I think they're being unfair about her attractiveness--there's no indication that the werewolf transformation changed her physically, it just made her feel powerful, and now that she feels more powerful she's willing to act more sexually aggressive, which women shouldn't be ashamed of doing. As far as I can see, there was nothing preventing her from being this person before except for the social stigma of being an epileptic. Her being bitter and angry makes sense, as she was relegated to the lowest highschool caste based solely on a physical problem over which she had no control. (She also has used her werewolf powers, with claws, to intimidate.)

Their points about Lydia could be read either way and I disagree with their interpretation. I actually thought it was really cool that they were throwing a bone to the traditional "popular" girl. In most shows like this, she'd be a bubble-headed idiot who was only popular because she was rich and pretty--a Cordelia, if you want to draw parallels to Buffy, which has many of the same problems named here only worse. This is a perception that artificially divides women and I think is very detrimental. Smart female characters are expected to be ugly or weird-looking and traditionally pretty female characters are expected to be stupid. This turned that on its head, saying, "Ah-ha, you thought she'd be a dumb cheerleader, but she isn't. This is a persona some women adopt as a result of social pressure but it doesn't mean they are foolish." Another character like this was the female lead of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, which was complimented for its handling of exactly the same kind of character. (Also, the reason Stiles couldn't be there when Lydia needed him was rather obvious and there were very possibly lives at stake. That said, it's horrible they haven't let Lydia in on things, but she's taken them very well regardless. As Peter said, she's very strong psychologically versus the others. No other character had dealt with this kind of thing alone.)

The werewolf hunters being matriarchal is clearly something they (e: the writers) decided upon recently, so no duh it doesn't show up in the earlier episodes. Also, Allison might be a little dull compared to some of the others, but she's not stupid or impractical. And yeah, it was terrible of her to not talk to Lydia (seriously I could not believe this scene but whatever), however, her vested interest in werewolves certainly extends far beyond Scott. They are literally trying to stop a monster that is loving murdering the poo poo out of people. It can be difficult to disentangle her interest in Scott from her involvement in the main plot because Scott is the central character and everything in the plot will relate to him in some way! I mean, you could make exactly--exactly--the same argument about Stiles. What is Stiles beyond "Scott's best friend"? Why is Stiles involved in werewolf matters beyond the fact that his best friend is a werewolf?

Pick fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jul 13, 2012

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I guess my frustration is I consider myself if anything hyper-critical of these things, and in my opinion TW has been doing better than most, which I found a relief. Sure, there are still problems (insert picture of Ericka here) but perfect is the enemy of the good. I mean, people still write essays about how misogynistic Buffy was, and some of their complaints about it are valid, but they still need to remember it was a contemporary of, for example, Charmed. Same thing here.

And seriously, Allison might be boring, but that's a criticism I think deserves to be levied against Scott if anyone. But that's how shows with big casts tend to work--there are two central, inoffensive characters and then more interesting (but potentially hateable) people surrounding them.

e:



Pick fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Jul 16, 2012

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Tonight, on Teen Wolf!

There's a big rave! Things will happen!

Reactions:


  • Matt is unlikely to be the/a master, then.
  • Stiles is adorable. I wonder if this is related to what his mom died of, though? Being healthy and all.
  • Wow Jackson, you are acting like a... creepy doofus. Not your normal brand of creepy at all!
  • Captain of the swim team too, Jackson? Busy bee.
  • "I was in the E.R. for six hours :saddowns:."
  • New reaction .gif: Allison's mother.
  • Scariest grandfather. But if he is the/a master, is this really a sensible plan of action? Was he just defending himself last time? The defense can't be that if you've never murdered you're scott free (hur hur); there's no way this guy hasn't murdered people, unless werewolves and other such things do not count.
  • WHAT NO. Not Stiles' dad!!!
  • NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
  • :cry: Oh my god.
  • "I trust youuu!" Then why didn't you tell him this when you were talking? You told him like half?
  • "Back off?"
  • Dammit, Ericka, do something more interesting than this one schtick.
  • Well done, Isaac!
  • Dun dun Harrismobiele. That Stiles now has reason to remember!
  • Him jumping on the car is one of those moments I love this show for. Realistic, but funny.
  • Dear loving GOD, Victoria. You are living up to your reputation and/or makeup.
  • "We're all"? Whaaaa?
  • If the "me" is the classroom snake that Jackson hallucinated then this is the best show of all time.
  • Woah, gruesome death :stonk:
  • Scott now owes Derek his life. Awesome.
  • OHHH I GET IT. Hahaha. Wow, I'm slow. They were trying to kill Scott.
  • Well, she could always kill the Alpha?

Show stolen by Stiles and Stiles' dad.

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Jul 19, 2009
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erazure posted:

If Stiles doesn't end up coming clean to his dad re: stuff so that Daddy can be Super Investigator Stilinski, Supernatural Detective of the HellmouthBeacon Hills, I will be very sad. :(

The scene in next episode's trailer where his dad throws a glass (?) at him at the party broke my heart :smith:.

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Jul 19, 2009
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Lacerta posted:

The part where Stiles manages to complete the circle and then he yells, "I did something!!!!" was really sad. He's not thrilled that magic exists, just that he managed to do something correctly.

Stiles is the best character on the show.


Anyone have a reaction gif of the camera zooming in on Victoria's face? That was easily one of the scariest scenes of the show.

All I could find was a still. But, drat, it still has Victoria all over it.



Also, A Potential Clue!:



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hope and vaseline posted:

Just wondering, is there a point in the first season where the show goes from bad to enjoyably bad/potentially good? Kinda like how Vampire Diaries hit its stride in eps 5-6. Cause the pilot was pretty awful, Stiles aside.

I was pretty much bribed to watch the first season. I figured I could just have it playing on my second monitor while I worked, and for the first few episodes I didn't give a drat about it either way. Then, even though the show hadn't changed much, something clicked.

I think you just need a few episodes to understand what the show is getting at. In some scenes it's very grounded (it's one of the few shows I can think of where the teenagers come to the realization that even doing their best, they can't handle the situation and they need to come clean to the adults what is going on) and in others it's shameless horror gore. What I was really expecting going in was a show that is very camp, like Buffy, where most episodes end with a quirky win, and though there are similarities between the two shows, Teen Wolf really seems to have tried to stick to its own tone--a combination of teen drama and straight-up horror.

e: Oh, and PS, Scott is boring. It gets better when the focus shifts to other characters more.

Pick fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jul 19, 2012

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KilGrey posted:

I think Isaac is behind Derek as the top to hotties of the show to me. I find it funny that I don't feel dirty thinking Derek is hot but I do a bit with Isaac. Looking on IMDB the actor that plays Isaac is actually older than Derek but because the show tells me he's in high school I feel all sorts of pervy.

That is the longstanding curse of Teen Wolf. Each of the guys is insanely hot in his own particular way, but they're almost all pretending to be underage. Is it skeevy when a character is underage but the actor is older than you are? It's a heavy philosophical quandary.

Lacerta posted:

I post in this thread too much. Hello, I like Teen Wolf.
You are in very good company. Teen Wolf rocks :colbert:. I was actually really surprised that a thread for it didn't exist before. I did a search and I was like, "Where's the Teen Wolf thread? I want to talk about Stiles' dad!"

Also: As for, "the Master is Uncle Alpha, with Lydia as his proxy, taking final revenge on the killers of his pack":

I think that's a very solid hypothesis, but I'd be saddened if it's true because I want a different primary antagonist now. Awesome as Peter was (:allears:).

Pick fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jul 20, 2012

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Lacerta posted:

http://youtu.be/KtgFT0ODGm8 the blooper reel for season 1 is pretty amusing. You find out that they don't actually act. They're just themselves on camera. Glorious.

I think that the cast chemistry is definitely one of the top things the show has going for it. And especially with Scott and Stiles, you get the feeling that yeah, they really are those guys.

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SlenderWhore posted:

I think one of the major reasons why I like this show is because they actually act like real teenagers.

Oh really?

"Could each of you sum up the rest of Season 2 in one word?"





Gosh no, teenagers never behave this way :angel:.

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Jul 19, 2009
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TOMORROW: "Party Guessed":

Even as his relationship with Allison becomes further strained, Scott and Stiles must attend Lydia's birthday party while Derek locks his new wolves up to watch after them on their first full moon together.

Watch for:

-Stiles' family situation breaking your heart.
-Lydia being onscreen again, Jesus christ about time.
-Victoria and the curse of the werewolf!

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Jul 19, 2009
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Tyler Posey won "Choice Summer TV Star". Teen Wolf got "Choice Summer TV Show." From now on, it is The Award WinningTM Teen Wolf.

e: Ah! Beaten while I was cooking dinner :saddowns:.

Pick fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jul 23, 2012

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Tonight's Teen Wolf:

  • Poor Lydia. Peter's right. Jesus.
  • Wow, photographer guy is loving creepy as poo poo now. drat.
  • :downs: Stiles is looking at the yearbook for my graduation year. I am old now. Thank you for killing the rest of my sense of youth, Teen Wolf.
  • I never thought I'd feel back for Victoria. Or this bad, anyway. Jesus, Allison, PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE poo poo AROUND YOU. She's not the dumbest cast member but she's by far the least observant.
  • OH JESUS. STILES. YOU. WHAT. YOU KEPT THEIR NUMBERS.
  • Owch. Derek. What the crap?! Did you warn them about this part??
  • "Not Stiles."
  • Random dudes making out :toot:. Teen Wolf knows its audience.
  • I hope photo dude dies. What a loving douche. What a loving DOUCHE.
  • I've never been so happy something was a tripping balls sequence. Stiles!
  • Deeerek. I thought you were an expert, Derek.
  • Sooo is he tripping again?
  • Oh jesus, the trailer for the next episode.



God, this was a hard episode to watch :(.

Also, seems like a lot of poo poo is going down next time.

e: Apparently Laura Hale (Derek's sister) is the girl crying during the Lydia hallucination at the beginning.

Pick fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jul 24, 2012

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Mr. Humalong posted:

I burned through every episode of this on Netflix in like 48 hours. Why? Why did I do this?

Teen Wolf's appeal is very cryptic but extremely real.

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Azure_Horizon posted:

It starts and ends with Colton Haynes and Tyler Hoechlin for me.

I'm not going to lie, I find Jackson impossible to hate just because Colton Haynes is so striking :allears:. Apparently he tried out for the role of Edward Cullen, which makes me feel conflicted. Which is funnier: Pattinson's open disdain for and bile towards the Twilight franchise, or the idea of Twilight fans GISing Colton Haynes and immediately being barraged with pictures him making out with other dudes?

Lacerta posted:

So who's the Alpha now? Still Derek?
I figure Peter probably got that back too? It's hard to know. I'm wondering whether this will affect his underlings' loyalty.

When I first got into Teen Wolf, I assumed it would be another "Oh they'll make gay jokes because it's funny and be vaguely homoerotic all the time" as such shows will do, but it's weird for the creators of a show to be this receptive. Some of the head writer's tweets and stuff are pretty exciting :toot:.

Ah, what the hell, some fun tweets:

Trivia: The Porsche Jackson drives actually belongs to one of our directors, Russell Mulcahy.

Trivia: The Wolf claws have to literally be super glued onto the actors' nails.

Trivia: In 208 when Isaac stabs Jackson with the syringe, it's actually my neck. @ColtonLHaynes is terrified of needles.

Trivia: Episode 209 (Party Guessed) and 210 (Fury) take place in the same night.

You rarely see animals in the Animal Clinic, because they’re expensive and very temperamental actors.

Pick fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 24, 2012

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Teen Wolf castmembers had the Teen Wolfest livestream yet. I'm convinced Holland Roden (who plays Lydia) is probably the smartest of the core cast in real life as well, which is not necessarily that difficult. If you've ever wanted to know what Hoechlin's nose looks like on the inside though then there's the place!

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Jul 19, 2009
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Boogaleeboo posted:

It's not the alpha dying, it's Scott personally killing the alpha. Derek killing him means Scott is hosed forever. Or possibly until he takes this new opportunity to kill him

He was hosed the moment the show was called "Teen Wolf" and was about him.

Gordong Dongbay posted:

More people need to see this show. I also need to post in this thread more. I've suggested the show to a few friends but the name Teen Wolf makes them think it's some lovely teen highschool drama and when I tell them it's on MTV they are like nope. I remember watching season one on a whim and being absolutely amazed that MTV was putting out such a quality show. Season two has been even better and like someone above said, it's like a roller coaster.
I'm amazed how well it can toy with you. "gently caress you, Victoria." "Ahhh Victoria, noooo." "Photographer guy is cute, hehe." "Woah, photographer dude is creeeeeeeeeeepy."

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britt posted:

I think a few people also write off this show because they're mad it has little to do with the original movie from the 80s (except for Stiles.) Which, I don't know maybe my nostalgia glasses are broken, but I kinda consider that that the opposite of a problem.
Absolutely agree.

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As for this week's episode, I really hope Allison isn't stupid about her mom's death. The fact that she seems to lead a hunt for Derek doesn't give me hope, though. Like KilGrey mentioned, If she's mad at anyone she should be mad at her family, Victoria didn't have to kill herself, and Allison should be aware enough to acknowledge that.Especially considering how Victoria got the bite.
Badly contrived drama just gives me a headache, sometimes.


The writer noted that the next episode takes place the same night as the last one, so I don't think she's being given the time she needs to think about this rationally.

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