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Stardotstar posted:We bought the Legacy in Arizona, where 250hp was useful on a daily basis. However, after moving to Portland, about 200 of those ponies went woefully underused. This was definitely the better car to take up to Mt Hood Meadows for snow days. With studless snow tires it was the most planted, confident car I've ever driven in inclement weather. Its highway gas mileage (~24-26 mpg average) was mediocre, but obviously far better than an SUV or somesuch. You must be the only person to sell a Subaru upon moving to Oregon.
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hedge posted:But I found out that in Europe, you can have it as a station wagon too. Sadly the Focus wagon didn't do very well in the US (I think the last year was 2006) so we'll probably never see one here again, much less in ST trim.
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TheClarkster posted:How is the manual in that thing? I jumped ship from stickshift thanks to my commute, and the autostick is alright until it breaks. Then it is just expensive. Same goes with the fancy adjustable suspension; now that the front struts are busted, I'm considering sticking the standard and far less expensive replacements in and foregoing the adjustability. The M66 is fairly solid, I haven't had any major issues after 60k miles. I've had the shifter cables replaced under recall but that's about it. Eventually the slave cylinder will fail and eventually it'll need a new clutch, but I'm careful with my shifting and it's an expected repair. The nice struts are integrated into the suspension and stability control system, you can swap out for standard cheapies but expect the dash to light up with error messages. The cheapest I've seen so far is from Tasca for around $320 shipped, but sometimes you can find deals on ebay or the classifieds on swedespeed. An enterprising poster on the R forums swapped for normal struts and wired a resistor into the 4C control line, tricking the computer into thinking it was still an OEM strut. Of course, no adjustable 4C settings anymore, but he saved himself a pile of money because (I think) he needed something like 3 of the 4 struts replaced. So far I'm at 112k and all 4 of mine are fine, no leaks. The good news is that replacing the rear struts is actually pretty easy DIY (just rent a spring compressor) and the fronts are fairly easy, saving yourself a few hours of shop labor.
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In retrospect I have had 3 5-door hatch/wagons. Shitbox #1 - 1986 Nissan Sentra 5-door wagon:  The price: $800. It was an atrocious car that I was extremely lucky to only have briefly while in college. 3-speed automatic with well under 80 crank HP made it a literal danger to drive on Colorado freeways. The last time I drove it, my now-wife threw up in it on the way to class. It was replaced by what was at the time a fantastic upgrade, a 1988 Acura Legend base coupe with the 160hp 2.7l V6 and a 5-speed. Fast forward 7 years or so: Shitbox #2 - 1991 Honda Civic wagovan:  The price: free. My father-in-law owned and drove this car since it was new, and was about to get rid of it by donating it when I spoke up that I would gladly take it. FIL was meticulous about maintenance and receipts, and I inherited a 3-inch thick manila folder with the car that included the window sticker and an invoice on the date of the first Gulf War invasion from a Toledo dealership. 5-speed made it slightly less awful to drive. I drove it for 7 months during the height of gas prices in 2008, and replaced it because I acquired the following car. Sold the Civic for $2500 to a guy that was more excited than I can tell you to buy it, btw. (not) Shitbox #3 - 2008.5 Mazdaspeed 3  Bought it new off the lot and it was badass. I loved this thing and would be driving it still today if not for having spun a crank bearing at 14,000 miles and 364 days into ownership. Mazda took it for over a month - no short blocks in the US, so one had to be sourced from Japan - and when I got it back it was as if it had never happened but my confidence was shaken. Ended up trading it to a Pontiac dealer for more than it was worth at private party for my G8 GXP, which I still have. Yet even now the call of the wagon haunts me. What might be next?  Definitely under consideration... Tremek fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Oct 17, 2012 |
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2ndclasscitizen posted:How could I forget, I briefly owned this glorious bit of 80s/90s Subaru magic: One of these was my first car. It even had the factory turbo and a manual transmission. $500, smelled like dog. Just like yours, mine blew a head gasket a couple months after I bought it. I loving loved it...
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Tremek posted:Fast forward 7 years or so: Shitbox #2 - 1991 Honda Civic wagovan: Next project car of mine is going to be a 4WD one of these. I'm excited about a shitbox. quote:Definitely under consideration... My feelings towards the CTS-V wagon:  
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Phone posted:Next project car of mine is going to be a 4WD one of these. I'm excited about a shitbox.
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Phone posted:Next project car of mine is going to be a 4WD one of these. I'm excited about a shitbox. Right on re: Civic RT4WD. I looked for one for a while to use as a winter beater - you can also bolt up some variety of a B-series motor and make something like 160 crank hp NA easily, or like ~220hp w/ FI before the funky 6-speed manual tranny starts becoming a problem. 6 second 20 year old AWD shitbox? Why the gently caress not.  re: -V wagons, now I go looking and '11s are all of $50k... Goddamnit... Now to explain to my wife that the cost between a Procharger on the G8 and a -V wagon is essentially the same...
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Plastic wagons are the best wagons.
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Tremek posted:Right on re: Civic RT4WD. I looked for one for a while to use as a winter beater - you can also bolt up some variety of a B-series motor and make something like 160 crank hp NA easily, or like ~220hp w/ FI before the funky 6-speed manual tranny starts becoming a problem. That's the plan. Find a D16Z6 and a baby turbo.
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Not really a big wagon fan, to be honest, but this gets my pulse racing: I don't care what anyone says, I love the E60 M5, faults and all. This just makes it better. Too bad they never came to North America.
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The best wagon.
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 So loving hot. Tremek posted:
Yup. I don't know if I can continue to resist.
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WS6 97 posted:The best wagon.  <- literally my face. Any more info on that?
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WS6 97 posted:The best wagon. I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop, but I want to believe it's not.
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WS6 97 posted:The best wagon.
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Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw
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DropShadow posted:I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop, but I want to believe it's not. I think it's a photoshop. The reflection in the side windows isn't quite right, and the rearmost side window looks 'stuck on' and doesn't align properly with the roof. The wagon roof extension is also a mismatched colour from the rest of the car. Oh and you can't see through the rear windows, and see the car next to it. Captain McAllister fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Oct 19, 2012 |
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Are those W123s hard to work on? They are very reasonably priced. I've been looking at new projects, mainly e30 BMWs, but these look rad too.
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 I think that in a couple years, when I feel like moving forward, I'll be very happy. Wagons and hatches are coming back into vogue lately, especially hotter editions.
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Mercedes did a thing: More here. Favorite part: "There's even an optional towing kit." Oh, and there's no plans to bring it to North America.
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DropShadow posted:I'm pretty sure that's a photoshop, but I want to believe it's not. Looks a little like this photoshop: 
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I want to have my cake and eat it too. 30mpg, wagon, 400hp, AWD/RWD and a manual transmission. Is my best bet just getting a 2.0/2.5 turbo WRX wagon and throwing a huge turbo on there and tuning it and hoping to get close to 30mpg? I can't think of anything else that could come close to all those criteria.
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DreamOn13 posted:I want to have my cake and eat it too. 30mpg, wagon, 400hp, AWD/RWD and a manual transmission. Is my best bet just getting a 2.0/2.5 turbo WRX wagon and throwing a huge turbo on there and tuning it and hoping to get close to 30mpg? I can't think of anything else that could come close to all those criteria. Why do you need 30mpg so bad?
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DreamOn13 posted:I want to have my cake and eat it too. 30mpg, wagon, 400hp, AWD/RWD and a manual transmission. Is my best bet just getting a 2.0/2.5 turbo WRX wagon and throwing a huge turbo on there and tuning it and hoping to get close to 30mpg? I can't think of anything else that could come close to all those criteria. You're basically describing a CTS or CTS-V in everything except mileage. Either that or an S4/S6 wagon. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Nov 4, 2012 |
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Does anything with 400hp get an EPA 30mpg, even HWY (under current method)?
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Worked over 335d? Did you get them as a touring in the states? Edit: Auto only I think, drat.
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BMW have gone weird with their engine availability anyway. At one time, it was pretty much a case of "pick engine size, pick bodystyle", now they're really constraining which engines you can get in which cars. Ok, they have more engine options now, but why can you buy a 335d coupe, but not a saloon, convertible or Touring? 335i, sure, that opens up the saloon and convertible, but still not the Touring. Even the spec requirements are different. 335i SE coupe or convertible? No problem. 335i saloon? Got to be M Sport or Luxury. SE stops at 328i. You want an ES-spec saloon? I hope you want a 316d, you loving poor. Want a Luxury-spec coupe? NO. It's not like they have to do anything particularly special to fit a 3-series engine in a 3-series. I appreciate combinations outside the high runners will incur more faffing around, but they're making a mistake to simply not offer them. If Audi can build and sell an RS4 Avant, they can build and sell a 335i or M3 Touring. Hell, a 335i Touring would undercut the Audi by nearly 15k and, based on the coupe time, be comparably quick. I could live with 5.5 seconds to sixty instead of 4.7 with that amount of extra cash staying in my pocket, that's for sure.
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InitialDave posted:BMW have gone weird with their engine availability anyway. At one time, it was pretty much a case of "pick engine size, pick bodystyle", now they're really constraining which engines you can get in which cars. Ok, they have more engine options now, but why can you buy a 335d coupe, but not a saloon, convertible or Touring? 335i, sure, that opens up the saloon and convertible, but still not the Touring. Even the spec requirements are different. 335i SE coupe or convertible? No problem. 335i saloon? Got to be M Sport or Luxury. SE stops at 328i. You want an ES-spec saloon? I hope you want a 316d, you loving poor. Want a Luxury-spec coupe? NO. Probably it's to reduce the number of model codes to simplify assembly and stocking for factories and dealers.
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You'll note that Audi doesn't sell the RS4 Avant anymore, either. It just doesn't make much sense.
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stump posted:Worked over 335d? Did you get them as a touring in the states? Nope. And yeah, auto only, unfortunately. I've got a 2011 335D MSport, highway mileage is insane for something as quick as it is.
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nm posted:Does anything with 400hp get an EPA 30mpg, even HWY (under current method)? If there is it'd have to be something that shuts down half of its cylinders under low demand situations or a turbocharged engine tuned to punch above its weight class but deliver decent economy (like Ford Ecoboost.)
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nm posted:Does anything with 400hp get an EPA 30mpg, even HWY (under current method)? Panamera S Hybrid gets 30mpg with 333hp, which is the closest you are going to get. Counterpoint: Anyone who owns a car called "Panamera S Hybrid" should probably kill themselves. Mustang and Camaro V8 both get 26mpg highway.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:You'll note that Audi doesn't sell the RS4 Avant anymore, either. It just doesn't make much sense.  , remember. Still listed on their website.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:You'll note that Audi doesn't sell the RS4 Avant anymore, either. It just doesn't make much sense. There was no RS4 Avant for the B8 generation (2009-2012), but there is a "B8.5" 2013 RS4 Avant.  It's glorious and all, but putting in the old 4.2l V8 was an odd decision when the new S6, S7 & S8 are getting the amazing new 4.0TT engine. The new S8 with the 4.0TT is faster than an R8. DropShadow fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 5, 2012 |
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Geoj posted:If there is it'd have to be something that shuts down half of its cylinders under low demand situations or a turbocharged engine tuned to punch above its weight class but deliver decent economy (like Ford Ecoboost.) The ecoboost in the Taurus SHO gets worse highway fuel economy than the V8 in the Mustang, but that's likely due to AWD losses vs. a live rear axle, which is actually pretty efficient. I think we're a decent ways from 400hp and 30+ highway mpg, but that's just because I doubt that manufacturers making 400hp engines want to do the things required to get fuel economy like that. If you put gas-saver rock hard tires and 2.73 gears on a current Mustang GT I'd bet you could break 30 on the highway pretty easily. A CTS-V wagon could probably also break 30 with a gear swap and fuel-economy focused tires, but I really doubt anybody is doing that. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 5, 2012 |
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