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Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
Great rework of the OP!

Any chance we can get some good TV info in there? Like why the Trinitron is currently the reigning king over other tv's? Maybe some things to look for in an old school CRT that will help avoid picking horrible tv's and having a boat anchor lying around?

Also maybe some info on old school gaming on LCD/Plasma/LED vs CRT? I feel that having this info will help some naysayers understand that retro gamers are not crazy for having loving huge rear end tv's, over hooking up to their flat screens. And anytime someone ask's me, I can't explain it well and usually just say "because it feels gooder!"

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Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

zenintrude posted:

Re: Trinitrons... The reason why they are the go-to CRT is two-fold:

- They have an excellent video processor
- They have a shitload of ports

Avoid HD Trinitons because they have geometry (and other) issues that keep them from being optimal for 240p/480i (i.e. retro) gaming.

Re: LCD/Plasma/LED... the OP addresses this issue (without explicitly saying as such) when it discusses scalers/post-processors, dot-crawl, and other such topics. Basically a 240p/480i image on a modern TV is not going to look good for a variety of reasons; pretty much the last system that will look good on a modern TV without some kind of 3rd party intermediary is a Dreamcast hooked up via a VGA box.

Ahh ok, I will re read that stuff with that in mind. Thanks! It will be nice to say something other than, cause it feels right.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

zenintrude posted:

:) :) :) :v:

Also, no one should have to pay for F-Zero... if someone needs F-Zero, hit me up; I have an extra that you can have for free.

OMG I could use a copy of f-zero! I have not been lucky in finding one local. I'll cover shipping! 73120. No PMS. If it is still available let me know and I'll pop my email in here.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

triplexpac posted:

So since vintage game stores are generally way overpriced, where do you guys buy your games? ebay?

Garage sales for me. And sometimes Half Priced books has some games. Flea markets are good sometimes as well. Though I have not hit any since OKC sucks for them. So mileage may vary depending on area. Local craigslist is good as well at times.

Also, for some really good ideas on how to game hunt, check out the game chasers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDYhMBSCODI

I learned a lot from them, and the shows are pretty damned entertaining.



quote:

Have you tried SA-Mart?

You have to be damned fast to beat goons on SA mart. I some goons are on top of every vintage game sale within minutes of it posting.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Nov 6, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Peachstapler posted:

It depends on what you're looking for, especially if the prices are good. Just like a good garage sale, SA-Mart hawks will pounce on anything with an attractive price.

Oh I get that. If you actually have the time to monitor SA mart you can get some good deals. But if you are not watching it like a hawk, they will go buy within minutes of posting.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

triplexpac posted:

I'm doing a quick search on ebay... do old issues of Nintendo Power really sell for $8-15 each?

Yup. I was thinking about building up my old NP collection. And I was really shocked at how much they are going for. Especially the ones that still have the posters.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
I would make that trade!

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

zenintrude posted:

Allow me to reiterate...


Unfortunately for me, this worked for getting ODCM 2-12... but I'm probably going to get reamed on buying 0 and 1 since those are never sold in lots.

I try to stay away from lots for many of the same reasons you do. I don't need my house over run with nerd poo poo. And I don't really have the time as is to sell off excess. I barley have the time now for the odd garage sale these days.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Kilazar posted:

I try to stay away from lots for many of the same reasons you do. I don't need my house over run with nerd poo poo. And I don't really have the time as is to sell off excess. I barley have the time now for the odd garage sale these days.

I say that.. and then turn around and :retrogames: on http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/for/3374711632.html

I am so bad.

Anyone that does not plan on reselling, need a NES for cheap? I'll be picking up the lot on Saturday. By cheap I'm talking shipping and whatever you are willing to pay :) Be nice if I could defray a touch of my cost, as my wife is going to yell at me for this.

I don't need either of the ones pictured. Not sure if they will come with cables either. Will get more details on Saturday when I pick up the lot. I will test them as well.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 6, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

JJJJJS posted:

I find independent stores to be the best bet for retro stuff. Make friends with the owners and never pay full price again. The thrift shops around here are scavenged by resellers on an hourly basis so I don't even bother. Same deal with craigslist. We have some chain retro stores that have insane prices and aren't worth checking. Pawns base their prices off of ebay or even worse amazon.

Then there are the retro conventions. If there's one nearby go to it.

I wish there were some mom and pop stores here. We only have 2 gamexchanges, and a but load of vintage stocks.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Peachstapler posted:

Between the two Zeldas and Final Fantasy alone, your $40 is well spent. Batman Returns making an appearance too, and the consoles obviously add some value. Star Voyager is a lovely game though. Let them keep it.

Really? Man I am bad at pricing. I figured those were like 2 dollar games. I mostly wanted the game cube, and 4 player adapter. The games I figured would be a wash, but still add to my collection.

Wife is still going to kill me for spending the money lol.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

lilcasino posted:

If one of those toasters works I'd take one. I am unable to get my original to work.

Sounds good! You got dibs on the first one that works. Will report back with more details when the lot is in my nerdy little hands!


*edit*

I only see one zelda, and that looks to be II. Is that one game with the book hiding the cover possibly zelda 1? If so I will be loving happy cause I been trying to nab that bitch forever.

Shame on the light gun not being included. I don't have one. That will go on my list to find so I can play some Hogans Ally!

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Nov 6, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Peachstapler posted:

As long as you're willing to sell them and ship them out quickly to goons either here or in SA-Mart, no grief for the Mrs. to endure. Like I said, it's not a goldmine but those three games alone will get you your money back, and of course the NES consoles you can exchange for about $30 gooncash a piece (as long as they're working).

Nah not looking to profit like a mofo. Would rather get them to people that could use them, for whatever small amount they are willing to pay. If I make $10 then I make $10. If someone needs a replacement system and can only afford shipping, so be it!

*edit* also.. I guess I should have asked. Is this allowed in the thread? If not I'll hook up on the IRC later and see if anyone wants them. I'd like to stay away from re sellers nabbin stuff.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
Also... gently caress Top Gun. That game is the bane of my youth!

When I got my first nintendo back in the day, that was the fist game my parents bought me. And the only game I had other than mario/dhunt that I had for loving months.

I was so happy the first time I landed on the aircraft carrier after 3 weeks of playing the poo poo out of that game. It was a god send when I finally got my second game (gauntlet). After that, I never touched that poo poo again.

Might have to load that up for some nostalgic frustration.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

zenintrude posted:

This thread would have a meltdown.

What other gold cart would that be?

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
That would be awesome, but I highly doubt it. OKC isn't exactly the gaming mecha that other cities are. So I think the chances of one of those bad boys being here are slim to none.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

JJJJJS posted:

In regards to selling in this thread, I think this is something we should figure out sooner rather than later. I'd much rather let other retro goons have first crack at something before going to SA-Mart or something else. Maybe get a general consensus on whether or not to allow it?

I'm for it. I would rather see my crap go to people that will put it in their collection for reasonable prices.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
Already made arrangements with the seller. My friend is on his way to nab it for me. Moore is a 35 minute drive away from me, and he lives down in that area.

And I will get it from him on Saturday when I have time to make the drive.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

midge posted:

We can all make profiles on http://gametz.com/ and stop this overengineering!

I can't hit that from work >.<

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Code Jockey posted:

Awww man, perfect thread title.

Retro Gaming Megathread: My Wife Is Going To Yell At Me For This

I know right! Too bad I missed the discussion on title in the other thread. However I find the current title to be painfully accurate.

I still have not hooked up that trinitron I bought last week. I think the last time I played a retro game was 2 months ago when I decided to go through mega man x with a friend. I have since purchased 2 other games, and have yet to test them.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Nov 6, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

ACID POLICE posted:

Does anyone want my CIB Tetris Attack or cartridge only Kirby Super Star?

I love both games, I just have their Japanese equivalents on the way and kind of want to keep expanding my SFC collection. I can't stop!

(i never realized it was okay to offer games in this thread)

edit: Also if anyone wants a really cheap USA Saturn console (the good model to mod), I just posted about it in SA Mart and would be more than happy to sell to a retro games thread dude: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3516059

I would love to add Kirby to my collection! Shoot me an email d a r k spyralinc@gmail.com. And we can hash it out :) I don't have Tetris attack either, and would add it. But if someone else wants it go with them first. If you don't find any takers I would be cool with having it as well. Maybe I could get my wife into some old school gaming. She likes games like that.


On my craigslist lot. You all can step away from the meltdown button. The mystery gold cart was, as I suspected, TLZ1. My friend verified it for me last night.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Charles Martel posted:

Good lord, what an OP. :golfclap:

Final Fantasy IV (Final Fantasy II SNES) should, without a shadow of a doubt, be in "God-Tier".

Also, feel free to put U.N. Squadron and Super Mario RPG in "Great-Tier".

I'm for this! UN Squadron is one of my all time favs. I picked it up a couple months ago for $5. And actually played it for 3 hours before shelving it. I might have to break that out tonight.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
I'm not sure I can put shadowrun in the "great" section.

After longing for that game since it's release. And finally getting it for my bday last June from a friend. I can say that I was REALLY REALLY disappointed in the game. It was just a bunch of "go get dude from building. escort dude to other building..".

Even if viewed from a PNP standpoint. Nothing felt good in this game. Combat was lackluster and until you figure out how to get money easily, the street combat was annoying as all hell. Cyberware didn't really feel good. You had to really play this game as if you were playing a bad PNP session with a GM that just liked running from building to building with random dudes to protect. I love PNP, but I should not be expected (even in the 8-16 bit era of gaming) to use my imagination to make the game come to life.

The matrix idea was alot better than the SNES version though. But still really easy to cheese. Half the programs are not worth using at all. I wish someone could mod (probably not possible) the Genesis matrix runs, into the SNES adevnture platform. That would be the perfect old school shadowrun game.

I don't know, maybe I should sit down and put some more time into it. I only played it for about 2.5 hours before deciding it was utter crap and shelving it. I managed to get to the second city, after spending the first hour trying to figure out what the gently caress I was supposed to be doing.


My gripes on Shadowrun aside, that was a very good post. And being as I was a Nintendo fanboy in my youth. I was actually wondering what games on the genesis I should try pursuing. Thanks!


On the emulation front. I'm totally ok with it. Even though I am a purist. If it gets people exposed to what is my opinion, a better era of gaming, then it is a good thing. Today's games, with very few exceptions, are just too stupidly easy. So you don't get that great emotional payoff when you beat them. Today beating a game is drat near a given, again with some exceptions.

So a question for you emulator types. Do you hook up your SNES/NES/GEN/etc controller to the pc? and if so how, and what program do you use to translate the buttons? I really feel an emulator section should be in the OP. I have not had very good success with them, but I also have not tried in about 10 years.


*edit* *grumble* can't type gooder befor mornin coffee's.. fixed poo poo.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Nov 8, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

al-azad posted:

Shadowrun falls into the pit that a lot of early RPGs did. The hardest part is always the beginning but once your character becomes capable enough to handle themself without an immediate trip to the inn to heal the entire game opens up. The concept helps carry the game but there's literally nothing else like Shadowrun so all those smaller elements added up to a game I just couldn't ignore on the platform.

I can't say the SNES version is a better game, either. It suffers from a lot of running around, spamming keywords, and grinding to get past mandatory super hard boss fights too early into the game. Both games are great in their own right and I can't say which one is clearly superior. I will say the company that did the SNES version made a really far out NES game called Nightshade that's worth checking out. If the SNES Shadowrun had a greater focus on the point-and-click aspects like Nightshade and less boring combat I would call it a clear winner.

Yeah I may have to give it another spin. I think the thing that turned me off in comparison to the SNES version, is there was almost no direction at the start. I (embarrassed to admit this) spent that first hour just trying to figure out what the gently caress to do. And even ended up resorting to a game faq just to get the basics of the first area understood. That probably turned me off to the rest of the game and made me feel like a bad retro gamer. And once I got to the second city and started on the story, it still felt just like doing the first city.

I feel the SNES version handled the story line immersion/mechanics a lot better. And the combat, at least to me was more enjoyable. Sure it got annoying at times, but combat in almost any RPG gets annoying at times. Keyword spamming didn't really bother me too much either. You kind of had to do that in the Genesis version as well with the conversation choices. It was just narrower.

Also, in the graphics and immersion side, there were more character pallets, and usually when you talked to someone it wasn't walking into a hole in the bar and talking to a window. There was a character on screen that you had to initiate interaction with.

This is just my opinion, not trying to degrade your love of the game. And I promise, I will dedicate a day to playing this sometime within the next month. Maybe if I play through further it will change. I hope so, cause I had really high hopes for this game. I just fail at this point to see how it was on par with the SNES version.


On that note. We should do a monthly "play this game today" thing. Select a game to be played over a weekend day at least a month in advance to give people a chance to obtain it if they are interested. Then have a discussion on that particular game. I feel this might help some of us actually play games, instead of just buying an shelving them. Maybe our SO's will even start to be ok with us buying poo poo since it will actually be getting used! Try to keep it to easy to obtain systems since a lot of us do not like emulation, and are not rich enough to own every system under the sun.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Miyamotos RGB NES posted:

^^ That is an awesome idea, Kilazar. We should probably limit it to games that could be beaten in a day, though. I'd love to recommended something like Illusion of Gaia to someone but no one's going to beat it in one day.

Also keep it to sub $30 games. So no one has to break the bank to obtain it. I would be ok with a day being spent on Illusion of gaia, or any long game. The idea is to get people playing these games. Even if you can't beat it in a day, if you can make significant story line progress that would be ok. IMO.

How would we handle the "pick". Can the OP be edited with a poll each month? Or should we start a secondary thread each month for the pick and discussion?

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Nov 8, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Miyamotos RGB NES posted:

It might be pretty cool to keep it to somewhat obscure games, that way we can read goons' reviews, playing it for the first time :allears:

Think about it; I am sure there's a bunch of games you wish you could "play for the first time" again. Maybe we could make it where the only people who will play it and post their thoughts are people who never played it before? Again, we can try to keep it somewhat obscure (so that we aren't limiting so many posters) but not too obscure that it's $200 on eBay. What do you think of this?

Yeah that was my general idea. I am driven by nostalgia, so I only seek out games I owned or played. This way people would get out of their comfort zone maybe. I'd still say keep it under lets say $60. That way we are not topping the price of current video games.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Ineffiable posted:

Regarding a (thread) poll, that's out.

The forum software is really weird regarding polls. You can only vote in one thread poll, so say if RGB puts up a poll and we all vote it goes well. But if he changes the poll (for the next month or to add a game), we can't vote in it again for some reason.

A secondary thread might have to be made for each 'poll' but I don't know if we'll have enough people to make it worth it.

I do agree we should probably keep it under $30. Even $31-60 is pushing it and mostly stuff like popular RPGS fall into there so it's just not a good range.

Is there a good, external polling site we could use and just link to it with the next months choices? We could keep everything in this thread. I don't think it will derail too much since this is after all the retro gaming thread. Maybe some kind of banner link to the poll/game of the month in the OP? That way no thread digging is needed to obtain this months poll/game choice?

Or a banner/link on the wiki?

*edit* Also, for score attack games, players should post pics of their scores for bragging rights :D. I miss the days when score loving meant something. Maybe we can have a high score section on the wiki. And that months game scores can go up there for all to see. No scores will be added for that game after the play date. Or is that too much work?

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Nov 8, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

triplexpac posted:

You have to include the system in the photo though so we can see that there's no Game Genie plugged in :colbert:

ha! That is a good point. No god drat cheaters allowed. And no 30 life Konami codes!

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Katana Gomai posted:

If you want to start a "book club" for retro games (and I think that's a really cool idea), keep it on a fixed schedule and start the vote for the next one the same time the current game starts. There are a ton of websites that let you setup your own polls quickly and embed them on your own website.

I do think you could get away with longer games on a monthly schedule; it seems like a good sweet spot between score attack games you can beat in two hours and longer games that take 10-20h to complete. Lock polling a week or so before it starts so people have time to acquire the game.


Agreed on the poll start time. It makes sense, though I was hoping for a longer period than 1 week to obtain a game. 2 weeks would be good. 2 weeks of voting, and 2 weeks to obtain. I'm on a bi weekly check, and if we lock the poll a week in advance, the money might not be there to obtain a game.

Say, the last saturday of the month is game day, and when the new poll goes up? or last Sunday?


Sooo... uh.. any volunteers to organize this? I would, but with new baby I don't really have the time to dedicate to upkeep since most of my posting time is during work. I should be able to scrounge some participation time though since it's only going to be one day a month.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Nov 8, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Silhouette posted:

Racketboy has a feature like that called 'Together Retro', and it's pretty popular.

It should preferably be a site that can get past websense :(

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Sexy Slippers posted:

But we should let the flash cart people play because then we could do more rare, unreleased or expensive games. I'm not saying everyone has one but I thought a lot of people did?

I don't :( and probably never will. I can sit out the flash cart months though, as long as they aren't every month I'd be cool with super rare/expensive games being chosen.

Unless someone wants to donate one to me :P. I don't even know where to get the roms, and am not going to ask cause I'm not sure where that falls in piracy law these days.

*edit* Also, I'm ok with flashcart people playing even the normal choices. I think even emulators are OK for those that do not like investing in the hardware. Just keep the games accessible to non flashcart/emulator users.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
Oh! I have an odd question.

Is it possible to back up your saved games on cartridges to PC and then get them back to the cartridge? I need to change out the battery on my FF3 soon. But I don't want to lose my 99 hour full completion save :(. Or is there an easy way to keep power to the cartridge battery slot while changing the battery?

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

You good sir, are a god!

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Adam Bowen posted:

That's more about difficult game challenges, isn't it? The idea people are talking about here seems to be more about just getting people to play some old (and possibly obscure) games and talk about them.

This is less of a challenge and more of an exposure I'd say. More for discussion of the game and to get you playing it. You don't have to complete the game. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
So that they are easy to locate in the thread, should we have a format of some kind for the game proposals? Or are we going to start a "Retro Bookclub" thread to keep track of it, similar to the Masters thread?

Month:Month currently voting on
Game: Game name
System: System game is on.
Info: link to info of some kind
Estimated cost: Link to price or good purchase location


Thoughts?

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010

Erluk posted:

Could we use the wiki for this? Maybe it would encourage people to go to the wiki more. We could also keep an ordered list of games and maybe high scores (if that's a thing we are doing)

I would be ok with that! Just need a volunteer to kick start this. I don't have the time and would lose track of it really fast with the new baby.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
My friend is always looking out for me. He doesn't collect, but he knows I do.


quote:

From the clist add he linked me

i have a super nintendo entertainment system power cord av cable and 3 controllers
it all works but its old so u have to turn it off and on a couple time to get the
game to play

castlevania dracula X
batman forever
bubsy 2
top gear 2
f-zero
super mario world
donkey kong country
super baseball 2020
dr franken
animaniacs
nba jam
ncaa football
super mario all stars
family fued

He just dropped the bag on my doorstep this morning. The Dracula x has no label, but I think from the way the marker was applied, that it really is an original. The marker shows ware the same as the non markered surface areas of the cartridge. So either it was applied a long time ago when the label got borked, or this dude was a really good con artist. I'll test tonight to see if it works!

The super mario all stars is the dual cart that has super mario world as well!

He paid this dude $50 for the lot. Called it my christmas present :D If dracula x actually works, I will need to find a good site to get a reproduction label made.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Nov 9, 2012

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
More finds courtesy of my friend. Man he has been hitting gold this week.

he got these for 40 all together
Super Castlevania
The Legend of Zelda LTP
Final Fantasy II



Cartridges in really good condition. I'm about to pick up another one of my friends, and the 3 of us are going to have retro game day starting with Dracula X. Since none of us have ever played it before. Also we are going to be going through that clist lot, and testing the NES's.

Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
So, I am testing that craigslist lot that had the "mysterey" gold cartridge that turned out to be zelda 1...

Opened up the first nintendo, and found MegaMan 2. Opened up the second Nintendo, and found Megaman 3. Talk about loving bonus!




lilcasino posted:

If one of those toasters works I'd take one. I am unable to get my original to work.

Both of the toasters work, but they are both "finicky" as in you have to do the blow and slam trick everytime. If you are still interested in one, shoot me an email da rk spyralinc@gmail.com. Incase you do not know what I am refering to as the "slam" trick, thats where you don't insert the game all the way, and then force the game tray down into the set position. Kind of slams the game in.

As I said originally, cover shipping and whatever you are willing to pay. It can come with or without controllers, but will not come with power or video cables.

Kilazar fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Nov 11, 2012

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Kilazar
Mar 23, 2010
please delete.. double post.

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