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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Random_Username posted:

My picks for lives/dies. Assuming 5 LIVE, the rest DEAD, as per DR1. Going down the list:

6 lived in DR 1. Aoi, Hagakure, Fukawa, Naegi, Togami and Kirigiri.

Anyway I made a guess on who would survive back after we learned who all the characters were. My guess was Hinata, Togami, Akane, Ibuki, Nanami and Gundam. As Togami is dwead I thinking Souda in his place now.

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Sep 12, 2013

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Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Walterion posted:

The gaph between updates, specially in Trial mode, is the worst part.

You will see and hear ANYTHING.

Would it help to ask Oren to slow down posting updates during (Ab)normal Days, while he and the others keep producing them at the same rate? That way they can create some backlog for the start of the trial. Then, when the trial starts, those updates can be posted a bit faster, so there's less time for people to do stupid guessing. It would also be closer to the actual game, because in reality you'd play through a trial in one go, I guess.

Orenronen, I'd like to read your thoughts on this idea, too.

slowbeef
Mar 15, 2005

Will Harvey hates you, and everything you stand for.
Pillbug
If there's nothing to really talk about, we can wait until next update.

orenronen
Nov 7, 2008



Ocean Breeze Dead End



Right! Well... that was a little unusual, but... Anyway! Mahiru Koizumi’s killer iiiiis--
W...Wait a second...!



--Okay, I’ll wait! I'm sorry... I'm still not really sure what to do here!



But there’s nothin’ left to talk about! Whatever way you slice it, Pekoyama’s the killer!



...And why is that?



W...Whaddya mean “why”?!



You just are! That tool business is bullshit, and you know it! You're not a tool! You’re human!



I would not expect you of all people to understand. You, who think you know so much about tools...



What right have you even to speak of a world unknown to you? What right has any of you?
If you think humans cannot be tools, try telling that to all the men and women out there destined to only ever be means to an end...
...Men and women like me.
T...That’s...!



...What is she talking about, Kuzuryuu-kun?



............
Me and... Pekoyama... We were raised together, ever since we were kids...



So... you are what is known as "childhood friends"?



No. That is something else entirely.
I was abandoned by my parents not long after I was born... and was picked up by the Kuzuryuu family.



I was saved for one and only one purpose... to be the property of the young master.



...Property?



Music fades out

In short... the family gave her to me so she could serve as my hitman.



Re: Desire for Execution

I was to be the young master’s sword... and his shield. I am bound to take whichever lives he wishes taken... and to protect him with my own.
That is the sole purpose of my very existence.
Before I am a human being, I am the young master's tool.
And as long as I draw breath, I will fulfil that purpose!



B...But, that's not right... You aren't a tool, Pekoyama-san.
I mean... if that's all you are...



Then... what of all the time we spent together until now?!



...What of it?



Eh?!



It was all an act... And all at the young master’s request.
...Wha!



"Our relationship up ‘til now never happened, got it?" "From now on, you’re just a regular school girl."
That was what the young master said to me upon our arrival.



So, at his bidding, you hid your dark past...?



No. It wasn't just since coming to this island...
The young master has always prefered our relationship to be a secret...
He has always despised relying on his family's power...
And so, he despised me, the tool they provided him...



............



Nevertheless... I am a simple tool for killing.
When the young master is intent on murder... It is my duty to carry it out.
So... then... you weren’t behind the plan to kill Koizumi after all?
...It really was Kuzuryuu?



H...How could I not...?
As soon as I finished that game... I was handed those photos...
............



poo poo... I didn't understand what was going on... Why was my sister in that picture...?



Why was she all covered in blood?!
But, I didn't get it! I couldn’t remember anything!
How could my sister be dead without me knowing?!



So... to verify it... you sent the photos to Koizumi-san...



Yeah... I sent her the photos. I wanted to know...
But... she didn't reply or write back... Instead, she started avoiding me...



She... must have also been confused... I mean, we all are...
Before we appeared in the game... we didn't even know about that murder...
So... I think she couldn't just accept that she was involved in something like that...



Um, when Mahiru-chan came visiting Ibuki this morning, you know what she said?



Ah, sorry! Ibuki already has plans to go to a beach party with everyone today...



...Wait, huh? Aren't you coming too, Mahiru-chan?
If you wanna talk, we can talk there, right?



Um, it's not an easy conversation, see... And also, I'd hate to involve the others...



That sounds... serious.



Serious, huh...? It's just that... I'm useless on my own so I thought we could work through this together...



I mean, if I have to atone then I will, but... I'm not exactly sure how...



It is serious! Maybe we should just cancel the party!



N...No, it's fine. It’s important we get to know each other better, too...
I'll... just tell everyone I'm not feeling well...
Besides... it's not like we have to talk today.



There's always... tomorrow...



She... wanted to discuss how to atone for what she’d done... But only Saionji-san agreed to come along...



Ibuki really should've gone too...



But it turned out to be very convenient for Kuzuryuu-kun, didn't it?
It was the perfect chance to use their plans against them and lure Koizumi-san to him.



He just had to get them both to the beach house, and then frame Saionji-san.



What?! That's atrocious!!



Where I come from... when someone kills one of your own... you kill them right back. That’s just... how it worked.
My sister was killed... and the one responsible was right in front of me...



I had no choice - I had to kill her for my sister!



The young master devised a plan for Koizumi's murder, and began preparing to carry it out.



I figured the bat should be the murder weapon, since that’s what was used to get revenge on E-ko in the game...
She would die just like my sister did... A blow to the head.
It would be messy, and difficult to conceal... but it was worth it for revenge.



So you copied the game... and killed Koizumi-san with a bat too...



Still, though... I didn’t think... I was sure that game was just a work of fiction. I was sure...
And then... that girl...!



Hey, say the game is telling the truth...
That would mean... it was you who killed E-ko, wasn’t it?



S...Shut up! That's not what I'm asking you!



What happened to your sister was tragic, sure... But...



You didn't have to kill too!



J...Just shut up and answer my question! Do you remember this game or not...?!



You didn't have the right!
Judging people's sins like that... no one has the right to do that!
Revenge... is just wrong!!



I guess... I should be honest.
I was... scared.
Even after I got her alone in the beach house... I was looking for an excuse to call the whole thing off.



And then she... blew it all off with her words...!
I got angry... I went for the bat I had hidden under the bench...
...And then...



Music halts

I was waiting nearby. The young master called me in, and had me kill Koizumi.



...Huh?



Re: Despair Syndrome

It is over, young master.
............



A...Are you saying... you killed her because Kuzuryuu ordered you to?



A tool has no will of its own. All it can do is be used.



I...Ibuki doesn't get this at all!



Well, of course you don't! Different people have different ways of life, after all.
You were raised in very different environments. Of course it’s impossible for you understand each other.



Everyone in the world just pretends to understand others... and that others understand them.



Hey... you're being too loud. Please shut up.



Okay! Shutting up!



After that... we proceeded according to the young master's plan, and set up the crime scene.
We also had a plan to use in the event that our scheme was discovered...



We would use the story about the serial killer to make you err in your judgement.



You took on the role of Kirakira-chan... just to hurry up the vote?



And we fell for it...!



That's right... In the end, the plan was a success.
You accused me - a mere tool - of being the culprit, instead of the young master, who was actually behind the crime.



H...Hold it! We haven't lost just yet!



Yes, you have. Isn't that so, Monobear?



Well, the whole "Pekoyama-san is but a tool" story has its appeal, true.
And, taking everything into consideration, the "Kuzuryuu-kun is the true culprit" theory is quite nice...



W...Wait! Wait!!



Oh... I get it now! Kuzuryuu-kun himself is your "hope", Pekoyama-san, isn't he?
You took his place and killed Koizumi-san... Even now, you are sacrificing us in order to protect him.



If you are prepared to go this far, he is undoubtedly your very own "hope"...!



You are wrong. I have no hope. I am a simple...



...A simple tool?



Well, I don't think I'll get anything else out of you right now, so...



Let's get answers out of somebody else. What do you think, Kuzuryuu-kun?



W...What the hell do you want...?!



What is Pekoyama-san to you? Is she really just a tool?
Did you simply use her to commit murder... sacrificing her and the rest of us in order to survive?



Ocean Breeze Dead End

Is that your "hope"?!



...Ku!



W...Wait...! Why are you asking such questions?!



Oh? You seem nervous all of a sudden. That’s peculiar... after all, you’re just a simple tool, aren’t you?



Or maybe... could the truth really be...
...That this whole time, you've been protecting Kuzuryuu-kun out of your own free will?



............



Hey, Kuzuryuu-kun... Why don't you tell us what really happened?
She killed Koizumi-san in your place... Impersonated a serial killer in order to deceive us...
Was she really following your orders? Is that the truth?



I... I...



...Kuzuryuu-san?



I know you don’t exactly get on with us, but...



Are you listening to this!? We’re all gonna die!



I...!



I...



Go ahead, young master... tell them the truth.
Tell them... Tell them about your orders. That is all you have to do.



I...

Music fades out

Hey, Kuzuryuu...
I remember... what you told me before.



All All Apologies [16bit]

In the situation we're in, sticking with other people just means shortening your own life span.
Both Togami and Hanamura are proof of that. They concerned themselves with other people... and look what happened to them.
Besides, all those dumb feelings would just get in the way when the time comes to kill!
Y...You're not still saying that, are you?
Of course I am. I'm willing to sacrifice as many lives as necessary to save my own.



You didn't really mean that after all, did you? That’s not who you are...
I mean, if it was...
...You wouldn't be standing here all lost right now. Would you?



Ku...!



There is no need for hesitation, young master! Tell them the truth!
You gave me my orders... I did what I did as your tool, nothing more!



............



Kuzuryuu-kun... it is up to you. The ultimate choice, so to speak.
Whatever you choose, you will lose Pekoyama-san. That is inevitable, but...



If you declare yourself the true culprit, as she suggests, we will all be sacrificed and you alone will survive.



Or, perhaps... You will choose not to accept her proposition, and fight despair with the rest of us one more time?
Which of these is your hope? Go ahead... let us hear your answer.



I... I...!



It is over, young master...
W...What the hell did you do?!
D...Don't you get it...? Don't you realize what happens once you kill on this island?!
That is exactly why I did it. I cannot let you go through it.
Gu...!
............
Peko... don't you remember what I told you when we got to this island...?
I said... that our relationship until now never happened... I said we should act like regular high school classmates...
Run away! We'll make it look like it was my fault, just run away!!
Young master... that is impossible.
S...Shut up! I'm telling you not to worry about me!
That is something... I cannot do.
I am your tool, young master. A tool charged with keeping you safe...
A tool without an owner... has no meaning.
D...Didn't you listen to me? That's already over and done! Just do as I say!
............
Even if I do, I will not get far... They are bound to see through what we did.
S...So... why did you...?!
I have a plan...
...A plan?
Don't worry. I will keep you alive and get you off the island, young master...
W...What do you intend to do...?
...I am simply fulfilling my role as a tool.
Now, run away, quickly! Saionji might wake up at any moment!
After you leave, I will use the body to block the tunnel-side door.
So, quickly now!
............
S...poo poo...!
Listen to me! Run away when you're done! Forget about me! Forget about the Kuzuryuu family!
...Just run away!



How about it, Kuzuryuu? How about you tell us the truth...?
............
I'm sorry, Peko... I can't do it.



Y...Young master!



I mean... this... this isn’t how I want to survive... It’s pitiful...
I'd hate myself even more, not being able to live without depending on something...



Besides... if I just accept what you're saying... it would mean you really are nothing but a tool.
How many times did I tell you...? I don't need anything from the Kuzuryuu family...



Young master...!



Re: Despair Syndrome

Oh, look at that! So that’s how this ends!



Just when I thought this would be a nice brutal murder story... How disappointing!
When all is said and done, the whole thing was that meddlesome Pekoyama-san’s fault!



Such a busybody can only be a real person. No way they're a tool of any kind!



............



Hey, Monobear... You knew all along, didn't you.
You knew exactly what happened between Pekoyama-san and Kuzuryuu-kun at the beach house...



Of course you did... You have cameras all over the place. So, this was all just for your amusement, was it?



Oh, no! It's just... Well, it may just have been her last ditch effort, but Pekoyama-san's arguments were surprisingly fun!



Upupu... You're the first culprit to ever try that defense, you know.



Unfortunately, though, you actually are the culprit!
Yes, this is our culprit! The tool with the heart of a human being, Pekoyama-san!



............



Peko... I'm sorry I couldn't go through with it...
...Even after all the trouble you went to for me...
But, I...



Music stops

...Somehow, I knew it would end up this way.



...Eh?



Re: Welcome Despair Academy

Young master... You always were far too kind a person to be a gangster...
That's why you always questioned your own position... That's why you were always troubled...
Could you really sacrifice others, and live to escape all on your own...?
I never thought you could do it as easily as you claimed you could.



We've been together since we were kids, haven't we? After such a long time, even a tool would know as much.



S...So... Why...?



Why? Because I wanted you to escape.
I wanted to protect you...



Peko...



I apologize, young master. I can't stay by your side until the end...
...Goodbye.



............



I have... caused you all a lot of trouble.
It might sound like a selfish request, but... please forgive the young master.



Please... do not allow any more murders...!
O...Of course we won't.



Sniff... Pekoyama-san...!



It is time, Monobear... Let's get this over with.
I will not fall into despair. I am but a tool. I am prepared for death.



Upupu, you're so cool! But can you really keep it up until your very last moment?
The bigger they talk, the heavier their tears of despair in the end!



Well, then! Let's start the show!



............
Young master Fuyuhiko... Would you hear one last selfish thing from me?



I told you a million times... stop calling me "young master"...



I want you to remember...
I want you to remember Peko Pekoyama, the tool who was always at your side.



...That is enough for me.



How many times do I have to repeat it? I don't need a tool...



Yes... I know...



Let's begin! It's time for our despair-inducing punishment!



Honestly... Why couldn't you ever understand...?



This time, I've prepared a special punishment...



You've always been there next to me, and yet you never understood...



...for Super High-school Level Swordswoman, Peko Pekoyama!



I... don't need a sword, or a shield...



I don't need... a tool...
So...



You... you never had to be one...



Let's give it all we got!



Why... couldn’t you have just been you...



I...I never needed a tool! All I ever needed was you!



...Young master?



Why?! Why couldn't you ever see it?! We've been together ever since we were kids!



Here we go! It's punishment time!



Music stops

S...So, Peko! Don't go yet...!



Re: Desire for Execution

I need you! Don't leave me here alone!!



Y...Young master?



...Young master!!



Abarenbo Shojo (Youtube via Polsy)

I’m sorry to disturb you during such an emotional time, but the title of this video, and some of the visuals within, are a reference to the very popular long running period piece, “Abarenbo Shogun” (lit. The Bold Shogun). There’s a fairly long article about it on English wikipedia, so go educate yourselves there!

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!
So, she was a hitman after all.

And Monobear is just awful, though this is a pretty good example of the execution themes I mentioned earlier.

Kuzuryuu mentions how Peko's actions cause him pain, so he actually has her attack him during her execution.

What a jerk.

orenronen posted:

Oh? You seem nervous all of a sudden. That’s peculiar... after all, you’re just a simple tool, aren’t you?

And here's more condescending Nagito.

Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Sep 14, 2013

grandalt
Feb 26, 2013

I didn't fight through two wars to rule
I fought for the future of the world

And the right to have hot tea whenever I wanted
Well, that was nasty. Still keeping up the ironic deaths, through.

DLord
Apr 28, 2013
Looks like this time the most brutal death may not be the first one and we got at least 2 more to go if this game is about the same length as the last one.

Lord_Ventnor
Mar 30, 2010

The Worldwide Deadly Gangster Communist President
So, Peko the hitwoman was the correct theory.

One thing I like is that it is kept ambiguous whether Kuzuryuu actually loved Peko or just valued her as his only friend.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I really like the fact that Monobear keeps getting interrupted.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Wait, wait

Did they both die?

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

This is probably a stupid question, but did Mr. Gangster bite it there too?

Because if everyone doesn't get to slap him around a bit for being that guy in this game, I'm going to be disappointed.

Alien Arcana
Feb 14, 2012

You're related to soup, Admiral.

Capfalcon posted:

This is probably a stupid question, but did Mr. Gangster bite it there too?

Because if everyone doesn't get to slap him around a bit for being that guy in this game, I'm going to be disappointed.

It looks like he lost an eye. I doubt Monobear would just kill him after all that.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

Peko...:smith:

The hitman bit was a little silly, but they sold it pretty well, all things considered. Monobear, meanwhile, remains a cruel fucker. I'll be interested to see whether that was the real Kuzuryuu she attacked or whether it was just Monobear being a fuckwit. Seems like it would be a cheat to kill Kuzuryuu as well after singling out Peko alone as the culprit.

Edit: Although, on second thought, if that was the real Kuzuryuu that just got sliced, Monobear could easily be an rear end in a top hat by saying Peko killed him. Seems like he'd get a kick out of that.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender
Even in her last moments, Mahiru was strong and level-headed.

Did Kuzyryuu die? I hope he died too. That'd be great. He planned Koizumi's murder, and even after talking to her was about to kill her himself until Peko stepped in, so I have zero sympathy for him.

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

Alien Arcana posted:

It looks like he lost an eye. I doubt Monobear would just kill him after all that.

Yeah, on re-watching that looks much more likely, especially with the eye slowly closing towards the end.

So now we've got a Pirate Gangster!

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
I confused myself...



Lord_Ventnor posted:

So, Peko the hitwoman was the correct theory.

One thing I like is that it is kept ambiguous whether Kuzuryuu actually loved Peko or just valued her as his only friend.

I think "theory" might be more appropriate.

Kay Kessler
May 9, 2013

I definitely think this is a better execution than Hanamura's. Instead something predictable like a cook being cooked, it's a person who claimed to be nothing but a tool getting what she wanted.

kidcoelacanth
Sep 23, 2009

I think that tied together pretty nicely.

Color Printer
May 9, 2011

You get used to it. I don't
even see the code. All I see
is Ipecac, Scapular, Polyphemus...


Well poo poo on me. I didn't think they could make me feel sorry for Kuzyryuu the rear end in a top hat but they did. drat.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
As much of a prick Kuzuryuu is, I've got to give him credit for one thing - he's the first person to actually try and stop an execution.

Capfalcon posted:

This is probably a stupid question, but did Mr. Gangster bite it there too?

I'm guessing he survives, mainly because that would be the more despair-inducing option for him.

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Even in her last moments, Mahiru was strong and level-headed.

Yeah, she died standing up for what she believed in. :(

Panic Attack
Oct 29, 2012

Float like a bulldozer
Trying to catch a butterfly
Yeah, that was surprising. That actually came together alright. I reckon Kuzuryuu's going to be a drat vunerable target now, though- emotionally and "holy poo poo you stabbed me in the face"ly. At least there's Mikan around to treat that wound- assuming, of course, that he survived. (I assume he did.)

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
See, I didn't think they could make me feel bad for Peko but her expressions near the end just tugged at me a little.

And I know all the fuss is going to be about Peko and Kuzuuryu but I can't help but feel a little for Koizumi too. Even to the end she was trying to knock some sense into people.

Spiritus Nox
Sep 2, 2011

DaveWoo posted:

As much of a prick Kuzuryuu is, I've got to give him credit for one thing - he's the first person to actually try and stop an execution.

To be fair, Monobear clearly wanted and allowed him to try. Leon's and Hanamura's executions both make a point of showing the students cut off from the victim - Leon gets locked in a cage and Hanamura just gets carted way the hell off. We can assume this usually applies for the other executions, even if they don't animate the chain dragging people away each time.

GodofDiscord
Sep 5, 2013

Not the strongest, but the cutest.
Oh god... the tears... I'm still crying so loving hard.. This is just... :cry: :cry:

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

The worst of it all is:

Was Kuzuryuu even going to kill Mahoru?

It seems like he wanted answers. Peko just killed because it is all she's ever done. This whole time,
Kuzuryuu could have been trying to protect his friend even despite the fact that she killed the only tie he had to his sister's murder.

He's basically left with nothing at this point. No lifelong friend. No answers. No connection to anybody. Every link to his past was severed thanks to one person's impulsive action. And, at that, during their last moment, they were forced to attack him because of Monobear.

Kuzuryuu is either about to break, or become the angriest motherfucker alive

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Even in her last moments, Mahiru was strong and level-headed.

Did Kuzyryuu die? I hope he died too. That'd be great. He planned Koizumi's murder, and even after talking to her was about to kill her himself until Peko stepped in, so I have zero sympathy for him.

I think the point of a lot of this update was that he didn't plan the murder, it was all Peko. He wasn't about to kill Koizumi; he was getting angry while talking to her, but in the end for all his bravado he wouldn't hurt anyone. Then Peko stepped in with the bat and put her plan in motion.

Also I think he just got a cut across the face. I guess it's ironic that just as he admits he's not a cold gangster, he gets a huge facial scar and probably an eyepatch.

Armanky
Feb 15, 2013

"Kissing is sex."
-George Costanza
drat. That swayed me emotionally way more than I thought it would.

I can't help but love how the execution mirrored their relationship perfectly, even down to Pekoyama's actions hurting Kuzuryuu. Then the realization at the end that they have a genuine friendship, which prompts her immediate death. :qq:

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

death .cab for qt posted:

The worst of it all is:

Was Kuzuryuu even going to kill Mahoru?

Kuzuryuu admitted that he was reaching for the bat when Peko intervened.

Stabbey_the_Clown
Sep 21, 2002

Are... are you quite sure you really want to say that?
Taco Defender

Capfalcon posted:

Yeah, on re-watching that looks much more likely, especially with the eye slowly closing towards the end.

We saw him with one eye already closed, which means that the eye which was closing was his open one. With the way Peko was cradling his unmoving head, I think she sliced through him with her sword.

Still though - even if he only just lost an eye, it's better than him getting off without a scratch.

Color Printer posted:

Well poo poo on me. I didn't think they could make me feel sorry for Kuzyryuu the rear end in a top hat but they did. drat.

Even after I got her alone in the beach house... I was looking for an excuse to call the whole thing off.
And then she... blew it all off with her words...!
I got angry... I went for the bat I had hidden under the bench...

Sure maybe he was looking for an excuse to call the hit off... but then Koizumi dared to talk back to him, so for that she deserved to die. No, he doesn't deserve sympathy.


sleeptalker posted:

I think the point of a lot of this update was that he didn't plan the murder, it was all Peko.

No, there's at least four or five lines in that update that made it clear he was in this up to his neck.

Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Sep 14, 2013

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine
Why are you white knighting Koizumi so loving hard? She did loving murder someone, that doesn't make what Kuzuryu did right, but seeing as he clearly was having major issues with going through with his plan and feels pretty torn up that someone died, I think he's probably morally cleaner than Koizumi was.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

Koizumi didn't deserve to die for it, but god is she stupid.

She's talking to someone who's just learned a close family member is dead, chastising them for something they have no memory of doing. how socially inept can you loving be?

Color Printer
May 9, 2011

You get used to it. I don't
even see the code. All I see
is Ipecac, Scapular, Polyphemus...


Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

Sure maybe he was looking for an excuse to call the hit off... but then Koizumi dared to talk back to him, so for that she deserved to die. No, he doesn't deserve sympathy.

If it had just ended there, yeah, I sssssort of agree (see the two posts above). But he looks so loving torn up near the end, I just... :smith:

Kinu Nishimura
Apr 24, 2008

SICK LOOT!

Austrian mook posted:

Why are you white knighting Koizumi so loving hard? She did loving murder someone

She was the accomplice in Satou's murder, but she didn't personally kill anyone.

Iceclaw
Nov 4, 2009

Fa la lanky down dilly, motherfuckers.
Well, it's pretty likely he survived. Simply because it's as this point much more sadistic and despair inducing than offing him. He gets to carry the weight of what happened, and his relationship with the other kids is going to be even more strained to put it middly. Regarding the whole storyline, I'm not too impressed there. Can't say why, because on paper it works, but I don't know, I'm just not a fan of how things went down.

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

We saw him with one eye already closed, which means that the eye which was closing was his open one. With the way Peko was cradling his unmoving head, I think she sliced through him with her sword.

Still though - even if he only just lost an eye, it's better than him getting off without a scratch.


Even after I got her alone in the beach house... I was looking for an excuse to call the whole thing off.
And then she... blew it all off with her words...!
I got angry... I went for the bat I had hidden under the bench...

Sure maybe he was looking for an excuse to call the hit off... but then Koizumi dared to talk back to him, so for that she deserved to die. No, he doesn't deserve sympathy.

I doubt he'd have the guts. He's had a hit man since birth. He might get angry and hold a bat, but I doubt he'd swing it. Just look at his character--this is meta poo poo, but--he's such a baby faced and young "boss" of the yakuza. He'd fit the "never killed a man gang leader" archetype perfectly.

Morton Salt Grrl
Sep 2, 2011

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
FRESH BLOOD


May their memory be a justification for genocide

GodofDiscord posted:

Oh god... the tears... I'm still crying so loving hard.. This is just... :cry: :cry:

Anime died, GodofDiscord cried.

I thought it was rather negligent of Peko to hug the gangster at the end there, surely he could have gotten stabbed too?

ApplesandOranges
Jun 22, 2012

Thankee kindly.
Just a couple more thoughts:

- So Kuzuuryu and Peko knew each other before Hope's Peak, which is kind of curious. Did Kuzuuryu's family set things up so Peko would be in the same class as him?

- So Peko's Free Time event about her family owning a dojo? I mean, it'd make sense for Kuzuuryu's family to have one... does that mean Peko thought of them as her real family?

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Austrian mook posted:

Why are you white knighting Koizumi so loving hard? She did loving murder someone, that doesn't make what Kuzuryu did right, but seeing as he clearly was having major issues with going through with his plan and feels pretty torn up that someone died, I think he's probably morally cleaner than Koizumi was.

Koizumi didn't murder anyone; the worst thing she did was withhold evidence. (And she even mentions being willing to atone for that in Ibuki's little flashback segment.)

ApplesandOranges posted:

- So Peko's Free Time event about her family owning a dojo? I mean, it'd make sense for Kuzuuryu's family to have one... does that mean Peko thought of them as her real family?

Well, she did say "in a manner of speaking". So yeah, she probably meant that her :airquote:family:airquote: owns a :airquote:dojo:airquote:.

DaveWoo fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Sep 14, 2013

Austrian mook
Feb 24, 2013

by Shine

DaveWoo posted:

Koizumi didn't murder anyone; the worst thing she did was withhold evidence. (And she even mentions being willing to atone for that in Ibuki's little flashback segment.)

Oh, E-Ko was the killer then? Oops.

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orenronen
Nov 7, 2008

ApplesandOranges posted:

- So Peko's Free Time event about her family owning a dojo? I mean, it'd make sense for Kuzuuryu's family to have one... does that mean Peko thought of them as her real family?

Go and read that again - Peko is kind of avoiding the question.

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