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Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
I am predicting, based on the fact that we are outside and can experience night and day, that there will be night time on this island.

As there is also a Mono-usa in the op, I also predict that there will be a jekyll-hyde thing, with the monsters coming out at night.

And about pseudo-Naegi... Is it common for anagrams in japanese to be really obscure/annoying? And is using romaji letters normal for these kinds of games?

Asking because it seems like it would be a pain to re-write Naegi's name from kanji, to romaji, make an anagram that sounds like a name, then find kanji for the new name. Based on what little I know about japanese writing, thier names aren't really anagrams of eachother...

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Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

fool_of_sound posted:

Look alike, wear similar clothes, have similar names, both won the SHSL lottery. I'd say that there is going to be a in-universe reason for all that.

Like Hinata was getting at, if they did a lottery every year, then someone would have to win.
The simiar clothing thing isn't that hard, since neither has a distinct outfit. They just both have "green hoodies"... it would be a much bigger connection if they both dressed like say...Leon. (Safety pins~)
Lookin alike... Nagito is about a foot taller, and has a different hair and eye color, and hair style. Just, again, they're both sort of generic looking beyond the anime factor.
And the names... just because it's an anagram, doesn't mean it's similar. they sound very different when pronounced.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

MoonwalkInvincible posted:

Even if he isn't related to Naegi or really is just some other guy picked by random selection, there is almost definitely something else going on with his involvement in the whole thing. Compared to pretty much everyone except Fat Togami, he seems a lot more familiar with the situation.

Repeating what alot of others responded with. Battle Royale Is the japanese equivalent of The Hunger Games (except BR is about a decade older, so it may be better to reverse that). It is also about high schoolers killing eachother. It also takes place on an island. It is kind of a big deal culturally in japan. Not saying everyone will definitely have seen it, but it's not a stretch to say that most people know about the premise.
Him thinking that being kidnapped and brought to a mysterious island = death match isn't too indicative of knowledge of DR1.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
My own crazy theory... The hope symbols, unless they are just a way to keep track of your friendliness with everyone, will be the means of death in this game. The persn with the fewest/most, or the person who gives away the fewest/most will be killed.

On a more seious note, I'm surprised there's not mroe speculation on... Fuyuhiko Kuzuryuu. He is the first character we see going by updates (tied with Hinata) and oddly enough, the last character we see before Byakuya in the intro video.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

orenronen posted:



Kazuichi Souda: Super High-school Level Mechanic


I think this guy's design is based off of a gremlin... Like, the ones that tear apart planes in flight?
Was that just in The Twilight Zone, or was it more widespread before that?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Stabbey_the_Clown posted:

My proof for that is admittedly flimsy, but that present vending machine had Monobear's face on it, and I can't imagine any of the good guy survivors from the first game wanting to put the doll's face on anything.

I'm almost certain that that is where you spend the mono coins, like the lottery from the last game. The fact that it has monobear's face on it is more a nod top the player, then something actually in the game.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Look, I do expect Monobear to be in this, but this is a videogame. It is a sequel to a fairly popular game at that. That said, his presence on the title screen doesn't mean he's in the game. It very well could just be a nod and a wink at returning Dangan Ronpa 1 players.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Two Inch Bee posted:

At the risk of committing prematurely to my DR2 Is A Videogame About Videogames theory: the inclusion of a princess is interesting. Especially because of Hinata's immediate and all-consuming attraction to her. Granted, she's nice-looking, and "love at first sight" isn't unheard-of in any genre, much less high-school anime. But DR is twisty and genre-savvy enough that something about Hinata's instant infatuation seems suspicious. Especially since we have reason to believe someone's messed with his memories/identity.

So: Hinata is our blank-slate protagonist (players can certainly relate to him being a big fan of Dangan Ronpa Hope's Peak Academy) and now there's a princess who, if it came to that, he'd probably be inclined to try and save. Is someone trying to set up a traditional videogame narrative here?

...I'm sorry, but what's this about instant infatuation and all-consuming attraction? Did I miss a what-if in your post?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Coolguye posted:

It'll be interesting to see how Fat Togami and Crazy Hair Asahina fit in here, and what their SHSL skills are. I doubt they'll be the exactly the same, but even so, the resemblance between


and

is sort of hard to ignore, eye color aside. And I barely think I need to mention the resemblance in Fat Togami.

Asahina has a different:
hair color (slightly redder)
skin color (deeper tan)
eye color
bust size (smaller)
shoulder width (thinner)
eye shape (rounder on bottom)
jaw shape (again, rounder)
attitude (less abrasive) (admittedly, based against Akane's 3 lines in the intro...)
neck width (oddly enough for an athlete, thinner)
and finally, thicker eyebrows.

I am kind of bothered by various X is actually B from DR1 theories

Gensuki fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Dec 28, 2012

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Akane doesn't like donuts. She is not Asahina.
Byakuya is... yeah, probably Togami.
Nagito seems too cool to be Naegi...

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Cardiovorax posted:

Alright, I have to ask: is there any reason for this?

No. It's like any fashion trend or cultural practice. Someone with a lot of authority has a fetish, so everyone else tries to achieve that desired look.

It's the same reason they used to bind feet, it's the same reason some women file their teeth down to look like sharks.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

RandomYoshi posted:

Chihiro's and Chiaki's name both start with 'Chi', their birthdays match, and — at least from what we've seen from Chiaki thus far — they're both rather quiet characters. While this comparison is open for interpretation, I don't really see much of anything amounting from this.

Because Chihiro is dead, has different hair/eye color, and was a different gender.

Please don't just reach for ways to connect two characters...

Gensuki fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 30, 2012

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Tunahead posted:

The main reason why I don't believe in this is because of Nagito. He wears the same kind of clothes as Naegi, he's SHSL Luck, and his name is "It's Makoto Naegi". Obviously this isn't a coincidence. Some folks speculated that this could just be a meta reference that the game itself is making at the player, who would likely know of the events of the previous game. Personally I doubt this, because mysteries run on clues and conservation of detail (...) Nagito within the context of the story is a reference to Naegi. And there's no reason for anyone to aggressively reference Naegi with every fiber of their being in the context of the Ronpaverse before the events of the first game.

The thing about conservation of detail, is that it is flatout busted by two things:
Easter Eggs. This includes any kind of wink at the player
Red Herrings. Where the author is deliberately using CoD to set up drama

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Kanfy posted:

Obviously by going for the eyes.

Or if they're ninjesque, crawl into the throat and induce suffocation.
In case of failure, use hamster claws.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Well, there are 6 islands, not 5 so the personal defender would prevent a 1 guard per gate system.

They could be used to carry out executions, which mathematically works out.
Maybe do the 'megazord' thing for the final trial...

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

orenronen posted:

Wasn't my doing.

And now I'm wondering if this is too much of a spoiler for people still reading the DR1 thread.

I honestly can't really tell it's Togami.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
In DR 1, did Chihiro get a hammer, or a sewing kit in the beginning? Or do we just never find out?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Thanqol posted:

Do you really want to live out the rest of your life like that?

On a Tropical island with a talented musician, an excellent chef, and no outstanding responsibilities?

Hakuna Matata my friend.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

WarpedLichen posted:

Being an rear end in a top hat also gives you immunity.

Celes died.
Yamada died.
Maizono died.
Corpse Warblade died.
All rear end holes.
All competent (Yamada, debatably so)

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Fedule posted:

I dispute all of those except Celes.

Fair enough.
Maizono, I would say is at least as grey as Togami though, which seemed to be the metric of the person I quoted.
Yamada...I will drop charges down to moron.
Mukuro based solely on her on screen actions is clear, but if Junko was being honest (for all her crazy, there's not much we can disprove, hence "hope") she 'knew' about some plans and then didn't warn anyone. So yeah, maybe not an rear end in a top hat.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
I don't think that thing is a bomb. I think Monobear is bluffing, by having a big machine and a countdown. When it hits zero, a rainbow will form.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Suzuki Method posted:

Hmm, I'm trying to figure out if that can work. I'm trying to think of the situation where Celes and Yamada worked together. It all comes down to whether she would have been punished along with Yamada if only Ishimaru got killed. Of course, then she murdered Yamada, so there's no way to say one way or another, I guess...

It was explained that only the active part of the murder counts. So had Celes not killed Yamada, she would not have been let out. Conversely, had she not killed Yamada, she would not be punished, despite the conspiracy.

EDIT: This was explained in trial 1 of DR1.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Suzuki Method posted:

Oh, okay. So that does technically mean a monobear punishment-assisted murder counts!

I'm not sure how you'd execute that, but maybe?

As an example of a failed plan, Sonia convincing Gundam to litter does not count, because the active role was his own. As such, that would be suicide by bear, not Sonia's murder.

Chucking Monobear like a frisbee probably counts, but the tosser would also be up for punishment for breaking the rules in the first place.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Suzuki Method posted:

Making another person's rulebreaking look like an unfortunate accident while a bunch of people are also present. Of course, with the security cameras and Monobear's all-seeing ever-appearing presence, he would know what just went down, but if everyone else is absolutely convinced it was an unfortunate rulebreaking and not premeditated by someone else, I highly doubt Monobear would speak up about it. Seems like his kind of craftiness.

Still don't think Monobear would count that... Even if someone masterstroked someone else into breaking a rule, it would play out as it did with Junko. Spears fly out, girl dies, no trial. No trial, no escape.

Monobear is not above a sham trial (Sakura) but if there are people around to see the punishment, he won't try to set up a trial like that.
(For the case of Monoluchador, no student stood to benefit from that.)

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

DaveWoo posted:

You know, now that you mention it, Chiaki has been pretty quiet - she hasn't said or done anything noteworthy since we met her. She's completely flown under the radar.

I find that suspicious. :tinfoil:

I'd like to point out that Chiaki hasn't really been quite.

We're just kind of an hour into the game... shocking.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
This game is a prequel. Togami isn't nicer now, he's just mad in DR1 because he's hungry, and his bf% is suddenly so low. :ohdear:

Glad to see that despite his supervillainy, Gundam is at least cordial and respectful.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

tiistai posted:

I drew a small simple thing and thought I might as well share it here.



edit: I really should stop posting pictures drawn half-asleep. It's worse than drunk posting.


This is really nice. I hope you continue once something actually happens that's worth drawing (like the Gundam Sonia bits).

pun pundit posted:

I think that either Togami will not survive for very long in the game, or Hinata does not possess a SHSL talent. This is entirely for meta reasons, but only working off the information presented in the updates. To whit,

This would be inconsistent if you could have your first free time event with Togami after Hinata has discovered his SHSL talent. The other option is that Hinata has no SHSL talent, in which case this statement of his would be hiding the truth rather than being an inconsistency.

Alternatively, they could just change that line to something like

"So now that you've found out your [useful] talent, you can help us find a way out of here." or
"So your talent is [useless]? ... Are you sure you had amnesia, and weren't just ashamed?" or
"So you're an SHSL amnesiac? ...That makes a sad amount of sense..."

Since it's not a very large part of the event.
(it could also be that you find Hinata's talent out at the end of Togami's social link, so close around his death that you can't social link, or Togami survives to the end, and at that point, we find out Hinata's shsl skill) or

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

RoeCocoa posted:

At first I thought it was a smudge on my screen; once I determined that it was part of the picture, I tried to figure out why there was a faint shadow around his mouth and chin. It's only a shadow in the 5 o'clock sense. Dude has more facial hair than any other male character except Nidai.

That's actually just an artistic trick to give the 2d image some depth. Because a face isn't flat, parts that are farther are slightly darker.

Because a literal line by line pixel shading forces it to get too dark, too fast, they just have areas of slightly darker pixels to imply shadows.

I don't suspect crossdresser, since all evidence is easily explained by his complex, but your point doesn't prove my (our?) position true either.

Also, I hate to point this out, but anime. By default, characters do not have facial hair. out of the 34 human characters in these games, 2 have facial hair... Another way to think about it is 1/9 male characters have facial hair if you don't want to count females.

Gensuki fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jan 30, 2013

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

RefinedUndefined posted:

I've always thought that Togami acted he didn't know Monobear because he was infiltrating this murder game, how he found out is a different story, and is acting like this to avoid suspicion. Because whoever's behind this murder game may not recognise him, so acting familar with the 'Headmaster' would draw suspicion, and therefore he would be a bigger target for any who may support Monobear.

...Whoever's behind Monobear might not recognize him? Might not recognize Byakuya Togami? Heir to what is described as the most powerful conglomerate in DR-land? I could buy Monobear not bringing it up to us (Hinata and friends) as a way to not give away the super despair world, but if anyone is familiar with Monobear, they are almost assuredly familiar with Togami.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Conro101 posted:

I think the shocking part is supposed to be that it was Monomi and not Monobear that took their memories. Though, that's pretty obvious too.

Shocking if you buy into the "Monobear and Monomi aren't working together" thing.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Hinata looks like the second Phoenix... the one who was justice?

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

orenronen posted:

............

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Hinata, what are you so happy about :raise:

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Nagito doesn't really come off as Heroine though. He seems more like Maizono. Just a support character who seems very important.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
I am pretty sure the goggles don't need to have belonged to Togami.

They were available in the supermarket, so any 16 students could have taken them.
Nagito was only fixing up the one hall and would have been fairly easy to avoid (He also may have done it).
There are, as stated busted floorboards, so hiding the goggles shouldn't have been too difficult.

If Kuzuryuu was in the bathroom, he could have rigged the lights, or any other character could have rigged the lights before Pekoyama was sent to guard them. Right now the only 3 people I think we can say are not possible suspects of being the murderer are Hinata (Protagonist) Nanami (Has a narrative alibi in Monomi*) and Togami (Who is dead).

Any non- Hinata student could be the owner of the goggles. Any of the 13 remaining students could be the murderer.Speculation time comes before trials, not before investigations :rolleyes:


* Unless there is a conspiracy with Nanami in Sakura's position of DR1, this is effectively rock solid.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

slowbeef posted:

One last thing. Note that Togami's wound seems to be under his body. I didn't love the "stabbed from under the floor" theory, but unless the killer rolled him over or something, it seems like that's the only way?

Well, he is rather round... since there is no blood trail, if he was killed near the table "rolling" him isn't too out of the question. Otherwise I think there are maybe 2 people strong enough to move Togami; Nidai and Oowari, and neither of them seem like killers...

EDIT:

Just caught the blood splash on the back.

Sorry if it's been pointed out, but... how did the blood get on the outside right side of the cloth? is it supposed to be so thick as not to sink through?

Gensuki fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Feb 21, 2013

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

RefinedUndefined posted:

Or at the very least, keep SafeSearch on to avoid poo poo like this happening to you. You probably would have been better off some the spoilers if you ask me, at least in this case.

But... but then you're more likely to get spoiled!

Would you rather get spoiled, or see gay porn?

...who am I kidding, you'll probably get both either way...

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011
Pomeranian? I guess Missel must have bulked up...

So I guess whoever did it had a bit more time than we realized, since everyone was distracted by Mikan...

It also seems that whoever killed Togami probably had some way to get his attention, considering how far they would have had to move the (very heavy) body quite far while dodging the likely panicking students.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Kytrarewn posted:

It could also be the photographer gal (knows how to set timers for flash in her photos) or Chiaki (What avid gamer hasn't lost a winning game to the air conditioner firing up at exactly the wrong time and killing the power). Also Hanamura (There ahead of time, set it and forget it).

Nagito was there ahead of time. Saionji seems like the sort who might orchestrate that sort of thing just to watch Mr. Porkfeet poo poo his pants, but obviously he was prepared for the possibility of a power failure.

I have never in my life lost a game due to the power going out from a surge.

Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Regy Rusty posted:

Now you're literally making the argument that any parts of this theory that make no sense can automatically be attributed to the murderer making a bad plan. But if you step back a bit and look at it, this thread has latched onto a theory of this crime that is so incredibly complex and hinges on multiple chance circumstances going exactly right. Not to mention the fact that the entire thing is based on the faulty premise that there is a crawlspace underneath the floorboards, something I still see no evidence for.

You can see from outside the cabin that there is space enough to crawl around under the floorboards. It's also a bullet point that there are holes in the floor. So, assuming that this cabin is a steaming pile of architectural poo poo, and the only thing seperating the ground from the floor is 1 layer of shoddy wooden planks, then there is just enough room to not really have enough leverage, or any kind of good angle to stab Togami 8 or 9 times across his torso..

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Gensuki
Sep 2, 2011

Skunkrocker posted:

Holy poo poo I am a goddamn genius. Allow me to solve this whole thing all at once with two screenshots.




How about that? The table was moved, not the body.

New theory: whoever hid the knife, retrieved it and was attacked by goggles wearing Togami who ran over to stop them. Stab stab, move table, ditch knife, act like nothing happened. And they would have had time to get glow in the dark paint off their hands if the body hadn't been found in seconds by Super High School Level Werewolf over there.

While that very much could be significant, the table didn't seem to move that far, considering Togami was already far enough to the left that he'd have to be below the table anyway.

EDIT: vv Apparently it might not even be significant. The Airconditioner has moved quite far as well.

Gensuki fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 28, 2013

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