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Peanut President posted:Good ol San Marino. San Marino's government is fuckin bonkers. A diarchy like the ancient Roman Republic with six month terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Captains_Regent_of_San_Marino
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Jaramin posted:
And it's bullshit too. Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and the Vatican City are not kingdoms.
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Sep 5, 2015 05:56
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:And it's bullshit too. Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and the Vatican City are not kingdoms. That's true only for Luxembourg and Liechtenstein, the pope is actually the King of Vatican City. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPHRIjI3hXs http://www.uselessdaily.com/world/ever-heard-about-the-king-of-vatican/
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If you choose to be very pedantic about the definition of "monarchy" I suppose. Principalities and Duchies are both categorized under traditional monarchical hierarchies though. It doesn't matter much anymore though, as the term "kingdom" has become popularly synonymous with "monarchy" in the last century. And for the Vatican, I suppose if you'd prefer you can call it a benevolent dictatorship.
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Sep 5, 2015 06:08
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Accidental double post
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Andorra isn't a monarchy because it has two heads of state.
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PittTheElder posted:And it's bullshit too. Luxembourg, Liechtenstein and the Vatican City are not kingdoms. You forgot Monaco and Andorra.
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Sep 5, 2015 10:34
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Carbon dioxide posted:Andorra isn't a monarchy because it has two heads of state. One of whom is the head of a republic with a history of killing and/or exiling monarchs
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Sep 5, 2015 10:55
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I can't believe there are so many people who think that coming out of the right vagina first is a good method of determining even a symbolic head of state. It's 2015.
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Sep 5, 2015 11:42
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DarkCrawler posted:I can't believe there are so many people who think that coming out of the right vagina first is a good method of determining even a symbolic head of state. It's 2015. They are surprisingly good ambassadors. Denmark could send their most famous politician, athlete, scientist, author and musician to another country and it wouldn't garner the same attention as our queen or just the prince. I mean I don't particularly care about the monarchy but like it or not they can create headlines like no one else from this windswept little sandbox.
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Sep 5, 2015 12:11
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Aint' nobody give a poo poo about Handball, you dirty Dane.
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Sep 5, 2015 12:32
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I'd rather have a king with symbolic power than a politician that is beholden to certain economic powers and voters as head of state.
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Sep 5, 2015 12:34
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Yabba Dabba Doo, gurgle, burp, slurp, fart. Ladies and gentlemens the Danish language. Hahaha just kidding that's my Zizek impression.
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Frostwerks posted:Yabba Dabba Doo, gurgle, burp, slurp, fart. Unironically this, except less articulate.
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wukkar posted:The countries that didn't quite have the balls to guillotine their monarch 100 years ago let them still pretend to be important and wear lovely hats, creating the separation of head of state vs head of government. Jaramin posted:
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Anosmoman posted:They are surprisingly good ambassadors. Denmark could send their most famous politician, athlete, scientist, author and musician to another country and it wouldn't garner the same attention as our queen or just the prince. I mean I don't particularly care about the monarchy but like it or not they can create headlines like no one else from this windswept little sandbox. I couldn't even name Denmark's monarch to be honest (and I'm Finnish). I'm pretty certain that if you asked say, a random American they wouldn't even know Denmark is a monarchy. Fox Cunning posted:I'd rather have a king with symbolic power than a politician that is beholden to certain economic powers and voters as head of state. There are elected head of states with symbolic power. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Sep 5, 2015 |
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Sep 5, 2015 13:40
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DarkCrawler posted:I couldn't even name Denmark's monarch to be honest (and I'm Finnish). I'm pretty certain that if you asked say, a random American they wouldn't even know Denmark is a monarchy. Yes, and do you know who was one? 
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Frostwerks posted:Yabba Dabba Doo, gurgle, burp, slurp, fart.  
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DarkCrawler posted:I couldn't even name Denmark's monarch to be honest (and I'm Finnish). I'm pretty certain that if you asked say, a random American they wouldn't even know Denmark is a monarchy. That's completely beside the point. If the average non-Danish person reads in the paper (lol) "Danish King/Queen Visiting", it's going to have more of an effect than "Danish Legend Jørn Dørnspørn Visiting".
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Sep 5, 2015 13:49
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I'll stop at Danish and burn the paper.
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Kurtofan posted:I'll stop at Danish and order some from the corner bakery.
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Sep 5, 2015 13:53
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DarkCrawler posted:There are elected head of states with symbolic power. Elections are enough of a farce as it is I don't want another one. Especially if there's no legislative power involved anyway, it would just be more politics for the sake of it. It's often convenient to have a apolitical figure in diplomatics as well, especially when the title King carries a lot of weight alone.
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Sep 5, 2015 13:55
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Here's what every single royal family and loving aristocrat needs:
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I sympathies with constitutional monarchies, I can't imagine why anyone would want a president, it just fosters the cult of leadership.
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Sep 5, 2015 14:03
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On the other hand, it does muddy the separation of powers.
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Sep 5, 2015 14:06
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Don't you patronize me, JC.
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Sep 5, 2015 14:12
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Unless you REALLY found it funny, in which case thank you, you're a good guy.
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Quorum posted:Yes, and do you know who was one? As a Chancellor Adolf wasn't a head of state. Hindenburg was.
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Since we're on the topic: Results of the 1946 referendum about whether Italy should stay as a monarchy or become as a republic. Terrible color scheme, but: more blue = more votes in favour of the republic, more red = more votes in favour of the monarchy, the percentages are percentages of votes in favour of the republic. (Total votes: about 25 million, 89% of those who had voting right in the referendum. It's still debated whether fraud was involved in the vote or not.)
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Frostwerks posted:Unless you REALLY found it funny, in which case thank you, you're a good guy. I did.
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Jaramin posted:And I enjoy this one because "actual kingdom" puts this image in my mind that the guy who made it was going through his date and filling it out and he got the remaining monarchies and went: "huh, wait, what? Seriously? there are actually still monarchies?" I know it's not true, but a man can dream. The more likely explanation is that he's not a native English speaker and is using 'actual' in the sense of 'current' the way it is generally used in most Romance languages.
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Jerry Cotton posted:That's completely beside the point. If the average non-Danish person reads in the paper (lol) "Danish King/Queen Visiting", it's going to have more of an effect than "Danish Legend Jørn Dørnspørn Visiting". Is it? Does anyone but the creepy Swedish monarchy fans give a poo poo whether or not it is the Prime Minister of Sweden or the King of Sweden visiting in any concrete way? I get that they're celebrities, but we have plenty of celebrities. Fox Cunning posted:Elections are enough of a farce as it is I don't want another one. Especially if there's no legislative power involved anyway, it would just be more politics for the sake of it. It's often convenient to have a apolitical figure in diplomatics as well, especially when the title King carries a lot of weight alone. Maybe elections where you come from, I'm still a believer in democracy  
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Jaramin posted:
I do not like this colour scheme.
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Mikl posted:Since we're on the topic: I love this kind of breakdown. Here is a map of the 1950 referendum on the Royal Question in Belgium, namely whether Leopold III should be allowed to return as King after his passive, submissive attitude towards the Germans during WWII.  Very clear split along both linguistic and rural-urban lines. The Walloon industrial axis running from Mons to Verviers was generally opposed to his return, and when it happened the unions there called a general strike which quickly evolved into sabotage and clashes with the police. Leopold III eventually abdicated in favor of his son on August 1st, 1950. The referendum does a goob job illustrating why the Belgian monarchy is not popular compared to its counterparts, even ignoring the obvious issues of competence and charisma. Wallonia has a strong tradition of republican syndicalism dating back at least a century, in which the monarchy is seen as representative of the conservative, repressive, centralistic Belgian state. In relatively right-wing Flanders there would be a large natural reservoir of monarchists if not for the linguistic issue. The Belgian monarchy is unambiguously a French-speaking institution and they have only recently made token efforts to appropriate the Dutch language (e.g. by sending Princess Elisabeth to a Dutch-language school in Brussels). The result is that the type of Fleming that would normally gravitate towards monarchism often feels indifferent or even hostile to the royal family, at worst seeing it as the ultimate symbol of a century and a half of domination and humiliation at the hands of the French-speaking bourgeoisie. Taken together, this means that the Belgian monarchy mostly lacks the sociological pillars of support that are present in other stable monarchies. On the other hand, for the majority of the population the attitude towards them is more one of indifference than of hostility. In the end, since Belgians are averse to sudden changes, the monarchy is not likely to be abolished any time soon.
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Fox Cunning posted:Elections are enough of a farce as it is I don't want another one. Especially if there's no legislative power involved anyway, it would just be more politics for the sake of it. It's often convenient to have a apolitical figure in diplomatics as well, especially when the title King carries a lot of weight alone. constitutional monarchs aren't apolitical, frequently have vestigial powers to interfere in political matters, and reign for long enough that their personal politics are usually old enough to be pretty dire.
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DarkCrawler posted:Is it? Does anyone but the creepy Swedish monarchy fans give a poo poo whether or not it is the Prime Minister of Sweden or the King of Sweden visiting in any concrete way? DarkCrawler posted:I get that they're celebrities, but we have plenty of celebrities.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What are you counting as celebrities? Because I doubt there are many Nordic celebrities which are on the radar of people outside the Nordic Countries, let alone their home countries. I mean, some obviously exist, but how many are there really that the average joe of other countries would even give the tiniest fleeting poo poo about, while also associating them with their country of origin? One. Björk.
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I know that I would rather be visited by Nikolaj Coster-Waldau than the Queen of Denmark.
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Lycus posted:I know that I would rather be visited by Nikolaj Coster-Waldau than the Queen of Denmark. I wanted to make a joke about wishing to be visited by the Danish PM rather than by the Queen, but apparently Helle Thorning-Schmidt was replaced earlier this year. Good thing I googled it because the current PM isn't quite my type.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What are you counting as celebrities? Because I doubt there are many Nordic celebrities which are on the radar of people outside the Nordic Countries, let alone their home countries. I mean, some obviously exist, but how many are there really that the average joe of other countries would even give the tiniest fleeting poo poo about, while also associating them with their country of origin? No one outside of Scandinavia knows who any of the Scandinavian monarchs are. They should just divide the members of ABBA between them.
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