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GetWellGamers posted:Oh man, new Torment game. Dare I hope to dream? A couple of times in the next year I'll buy cheaper pizza or maybe wait for a sale on a game I want. I just compensated for the money I've paid for these two kickstarters.
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GetWellGamers posted:Hmm... i wonder if they're not spreading their stretch goal tiers a little wide. Half a million a go i a *big* gap, and I remember with P:E there was a lot of excitement because every 100K brought, at the least, a new level in the endless dungeon, and then "major" additions were every 2-300K at most. Plus you could get levels from the facebook likes, and the overall effect was one of constant momentum-building because you'd get something new and exciting o a very frequent basis.
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Satanos posted:Alright so the 3 million stretch goal sounds incredible and I desperately hope they reach it. I'm also reading more into the Numenera game itself and may actually buy into that as well. vvv Sorry I guess I should have been clearer. I do understand that the funding mostly happens at the beginning and the end but there was this feeling of accelerating interest with P:E. The pace was pretty brisk even during the lulls. I'm curious if this will be a huge burst of interest that just kinda plods along after the niche fans are burned out. Or if it will capture the more casual fans and keep things trucking along. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Mar 9, 2013 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I love that George Ziets is a stretch goal. Now, Richard Garriott needs to have George Ziets be a stretch goal for his project. Every RPG gets Ziets! vv heh edited my post to include Tom just before that post.
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Lobst posted:Nah, if they squished it people would want to know why their goals were so high in the first place. Also, I'm pretty sure they have an effective estimate for how much these features will cost them to develop -- and I certainly want them to stick to that estimate.
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Ok for reference here's the P:E stretch goals Nice mini goals every 100k-200k to keep different people excited about it. They don't have 500k goals until after 3mil. Just something to keep the momentum going. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Mar 9, 2013 |
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Rinkles posted:Although it's certainly a motivating factor, I wonder how sincere that kind of graduation really is. Even if there's features they plan to have no matter what the funding but they include it in a stretch goal to motivate people once again I don't think anyone but the most entitled people would really care. Instead people would actually think them generous if they included features from the list who's goals weren't met.
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Rinkles posted:Is there anything wrong with considering the question though?
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Drifter posted:How is toughness any worse than AC or THAC-0 stuff, or any other thing I probably don't know about? Basically 'look at this stupid newb that took toughness' baked into the rules which is a terrible thing to do to a player.
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Truth be told I don't have a huge problem with 'toughness' it's not like it's the only crappy skill in 2.5 D&D. Admittedly most of my exposure was through NWN2 but there were tons of things that could screw your character much worse. Also tons of things that would let you horribly break the game over your knee (my personal crazy build). Though some reassurance that this new game doesn't follow in that kind of philosophy would be nice. One of the problems with a fresh start like this is you can easily make the same mistakes.
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01011001 posted:I've bet 20 bones on worse, to be perfectly honest. Even if it doesn't blow my doors off it'll probably be a serviceable RPG. I know when I play these games they won't be as fun as I remember them. I can accept that due to changes in my life and changes with how I perceive games in general will never recapture that magic. But I think they'll be fun enough for $20. I think I'll get at least twice that if there's some serious meltdowns on NMA or some other crazy echobox forums.
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Mex posted:The Witcher 3? Is that popular?
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Veib posted:I know the whole thing's a joke, but that still felt like a terrible "well I'm sorry you got so butthurt"-style non-apology.
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Pyradox posted:The way I saw it he was just being kind of deadpan "how dare they make me apologize for my masterpiece?" kind of ironic. It wasn't particularly funny but then none of the videos so far have been. These aren't comedy writers, much less comedy actors we're dealing with. I'd never even heard of this book until this thread so I have no personal feelings about it but that video was just cringe worthy.
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I highly doubt he brought his A game to this apology in any case. Maybe jotted some notes down and just winged the rest.
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Mr Dog posted:Apologies if I missed this anywhere, but will the Developer Retrospective be available for separate purchase once the game is out? I got the tier that just contains digital copies of Wasteland 2 and Torment, but I'm a sucker for behind-the-scenes stuff like that. Neither game is even really the sort of thing I'm into, but I figure I might as well give it a shot and possibly be pleasantly surprised by it. Reward chart
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BenRGamer posted:Welp, Torment's hit the 2.75m Stretch Goal, or at least it's close enough that they've put it up as achieved anyway.
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A Steampunk Gent posted:On it's own it doesn't seem so bad I guess, but in the context of story being 'would you believe how amazing this guy? because he's about to get a whole lot more amazing!' it just comes off as a classic shitthatdidnthappen story.
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FRINGE posted:I'm wanting that 3.1mill mark. Ive never read Rothfuss so I have no opinion on him. Watching that interview and hearing him go off about people peeing on a schedule in Far Cry and how that ruins his immersion is hilarious. Edit: maybe a bit off topic but there's more humor while the Penny Arcade guy is talking about how in Assassins Creed we need the guards to forget the random murders and don't want him opening a file and tracking the murders because it would impede gameplay......I actually thinks that sounds awesome I'd love it if those types of games reacted that way. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 16:23 on Mar 21, 2013 |
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coffeetable posted:God, I hope the $3.5 million goal is to not have Rothfuss write for ToN. The Name of the Wind had its problems but it's a decent book as genre fiction goes. The Wise Man's Fear, on the other hand, has a hundred pages of how the teenage protagonist seduces a sex goddess.
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Chairchucker posted:I have heard that Rothfuss's books are really fun, so I am looking forward to him being involved in this game so that parts of the game will have a sense of fun. Kvote's power creep is ridiculous. Blows Rand Al'Thor out of the water and drat near keeps pace with that godawful Richard Rahl. There are hints that the narrator is slightly embellishing things BUT (and this is a big but) these embellishments are all supposed to be faulty memory or personal bias and not him just flat out lying about the stuff he pulled. It would have been much better I think if there had been hints he's honestly confused or bought into his own legend or something. I can see a strong editor or another writer bringing him in line and producing something really good.
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BigFatFlyingBloke posted:Long as you have one person with a clear creative vision and final veto of everything then I wouldn't think it would too much of an issue, particularly if you split the work so the writers are all working on discrete parts of the game rather than all writing the titular player character by committee. There's a difference between a team with a vision and a committee that just wants mass appeal that people are losing sight of.
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Brother None posted:That seems to be the most commonly cited criticism. He's not really involved with the writing of the "hero" for this game tho', so...
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Drifter posted:This is some serious nostalgic holier-than-thou poo poo right here. There isn't a goonsay or Bobdobs big enough. For older gamers we were a lot younger and our sensibilities were a lot easier to please than they are now that we've Don't get me wrong. I have hugely fond memories of playing games since I could put an atari joystick in my hands but games have gotten so so much better since the early days. For every great game I remember there were 20 poo poo games that tricked me out of my hard won paperroute money. Now it seems like the majority of games I buy and play are at least enjoyable but you talk to some people and all they remember is the fun they had with the good games back in the day. It's a little sad to me sometimes when I try to go back and play some old game like Dragon Warrior and think to myself how did I put up with this grindy no-story POS back in the day? Sadly you can have the exact same conversation about Music, movies, TV or even freaking sports. Somehow the gold age of whatever entertainment you were into just happened to hit during that person's formative years.
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matured a little. The Golden Age of gaming had just as much boring grindfests and poorly written crap that we do these days, you've just taken the outliers and whitewashed away the rest. Calm down.
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Hakkesshu posted:DOOM is one of the most revered games of all time and still has an active community to this day. There are things that appeal to me about that game that I generally do not see in modern games, even ones from the same lineage like Serious Sam. You can quantify these things and point to the fact that level design has changed in some pretty drastic ways; more specifically that modern games are based in facsimiles of real places rather than abstract mazes, as you call them. If you enjoy that sort of thing, it's perfectly reasonable to feel dismayed that very, very few modern games cater to that specific taste. That doesn't mean I'm being biased, since I can point to dozens of games from that time whose level designs were loving awful by comparison, including DOOM 2. quote:It's funny that you mention Dishonored, since that game is absolutely also an outlier in terms of the type of game it is and how complex its levels are. quote:That's debatable and most likely unquantifiable. You might have a better chance of going into a store and picking up a game you'll definitely like today, but there are so many more games being made and the barrier to entry for game development is so much higher that it's only natural that the median quality would also be higher in some spaces. I can flip it around and say that you only have to look at 90% of the iOS app store to find the worst, most low-effort pieces of shovelware you'll ever see in your life. Jewel Repetition posted:As for Mass Effect, I didn't play the second 2 games because of bad word of mouth, but the first one had excellent writing. My problem with it was more in the visuals and how scenes were presented. Edit: on re-reading your post I guess how things were presented took a definite nose dive so if that was your issue with the first game that did get worse and maybe not a good buy for you.
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This one has pretty consistently beaten P:E unless every Torment fan is tapped out this thing is definitely going to 4mil.
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Kinda on the fence here. I'm on the super cheapskate option and thinking about moving it to $58 to get all the novellas and comic books (don't really care about the soundtrack) but that's more than I'm usually willing to spend on a full AAA game and money's tight since I had to order some plane tickets last month. Guess I still have a day or so to decide. edit: I also have tomorrow off of work so I have all day to stare at the options and have them weaken my willpower.
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I went to $58. I swear kickstarters are going to bankrupt me. I'm also now eyeing the Divinity one but I think I can wait on that game going on a sale after it's released. If I would have told myself a year ago that I'd have roughly $175 tied up in kickstarter type games I'd have thought you were insane. $77 Project Eternity $25 Wasteland 2 (paypal) $15 Shadowrun Returns (paypal) $58 Torment Also Defense Grid 2 for $15 but at least I got the Xpack out of that already so I feel I got my money's worth. I hope they do finish the sequel as that is supposed to be free for the backers if they ever do get it made. Need to start counting these things towards my game budget instead of thinking them as one off purchases. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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It's a bit sad that crafting and Strongholds are pretty much out of reach barring some insane final push. Just disappointing to see them there so high up. I can live without the Stronghold as it's not really 'Torment' but I would have loved to see their take on such a place. Maybe an X-Pack or something in the future. And the crafting part certainly sounded like they were going to do something interesting with it. Maybe a kind of Hordiac Cube thing where you could mix and experiment. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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I do think they are mostly in the right order. The big city looks like it'd be a very interesting place to explore. Just a shame all of these things aren't about 500k cheaper so there was a chance of reaching them all. I really do hope the 4mil goal is reached at least though it's seeming unlikely. Crafting would be my lowest priority goal. I know tons of people love it but it usually just ends up annoying for me as I keep every craftable leaf the entire game just in case I need it for some reason.
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Brother None posted:The order is a bit influenced by our own design prioritization, as you would expect. quote:
Edit: thinking about it some more I guess in P:E the second big city is probably going to be somewhat defined by standard fantasy constraints. Even though Obsidian will likely put their own twist on it I've probably seen some variation of their city. A Stronghold in that game is a refreshing change of pace from the regular questing. Whereas I hope Torment's city will just be batshit insane horrors from the deep that will just be fun to explore. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Apr 3, 2013 |
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[Greater Good Discussion] Tribute is a better real life example. Somebody has a huge army demands you send X gold and Y slaves per year or they'll come and kill everyone. Do you send these people/goods for the greater good or do you stand by your principles and get everyone killed?
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Chairchucker posted:Why did you jerks mention that extra Numenera source book I didn't already have in my pledge, I had to go and up it. And by mildly annoyed I mean I sighed and input $64 and upped my pledge again. I just don't understand it I don't really care too much about comics anyway. Certainly not worth $8 for a 12 page book at least. At least the 3 for $14 isn't a terrible deal though I'll already have 1 of the three in my tier anyway. Just bleed me a little more until I get divorced you jerks.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Welp. The pledge went up $3 grand from the time I got in the shower this morning to the time I put on my pants. If they can keep up that pace, they'll hit $4 million. But I did check when it would have been about 3am in the US so I imagine that's the slowest they're going to do today.  Current trend. Edit: forgot Paypal which brings it down a little. 8-9k depending on if they hit 100k through Paypal alone. Let's hope the last 24 hours are just crazy. Darkhold fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Apr 4, 2013 |
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Great Rumbler posted:Trying to derive something at this point from current trends probably isn't really going to tell us much. Project Eternity pulled down $600k in just the last day alone, which is far more than Torment is currently below the $4 million mark. That's the thing, there's just no way to know how that last day is going to be play out. Will it be like Project Eternity and shoot for the moon? Will it be like Wasteland 2 and actually have a slight drop from the penultimate day? I think it all comes down to how excitement those last few stretch goals generate.
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DerLeo posted:How did they have negative 10k? 18/03/2013 22:00 2728673 18/03/2013 23:00 2720201 Ouch. Someone pulled out or maybe a big payment was double counted.
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chiefnewo posted:Really? With all these writers they keep adding and now 9 fathoms of afterlife to explore I was starting to worry I'd never find time to finish it! I haven't even beaten The Witcher 2 and I've had that since release.
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Megazver posted:Eh. Most good RPGs are ~40-50 (Gothic 1/2, Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2, Mass Effect 2) to ~100 (Skyrim, Fallout 3, Baldur's Gate 2) hours and I wouldn't call any of these games grindy. It's really hard to make any game without some part that someone doesn't find grindy or dull. Sprawling RPGs are even harder.
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Zurai posted:I've never seen a player stronghold that I really felt was extremely well-done without it being the whole focus of the game (not that I've played every game or even every RPG out there). BG2's, for example, were either lame or just meh. I don't mind the stronghold being behind the extended story and crafting stretch goal. Then after all that you'd fight a battle on the ramparts which was more or less difficult depending on the strength of your castle. Though it wasn't perfect it was simply a great place to visit and wander around in in between quests.
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