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More people! Aida - Princess, Dwarf Race Aida is as true a dwarf as Sir Falstaff Silvervein, but despite her jovial ways she is actually a very troubled young woman who has always lived in the shadow of a father that never loved her: Thelor, king of all dwarves. Even on the Raven his influence lingers, to her great discontent - and possibly yours. Prospera - Councillor, Lizard Race The epitome of reason and liberal ideals, Prospera is like a steadfast buoy amid a tumultuous sea of shouting elves, quarreling dwarves, preaching undead and babbling imps. Always she is cool, calm and collected a far cry from the other hit-headed councillors. Catherine - General (Human) Catherine used to be a queen in her own right, but ever since the enemies of the empire have been conquering kingdom after kingdom, her throne has toppled. Lusting for revenge, she has joined your cause to serve as a general, but she has a hard time of it. 'To serve' is a new concept for her, especially to serve a man. Catherine used to reside over a matriarchal society after all, in which all key positions were filled by women and wherein men were good for few other things than manual labour and procreation. She definitely needs to adapt to what is a new world for her, and when it comes to matters that relate to the equality of men and women, she is a staunch proponent of all matters feminist. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:More people! I really hope Larian's writers know what they're doing, because that character bio makes me think we've just crossed the border into MRAistan.
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Done well, that character could be an interesting "gentlemen, this is what the patriarchy feels like" character that would encourage deep and critical thought about our societal structure, but for a variety of reasons I give it about a 10% chance of sticking that way 
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I don't think she's going to be used as an insightful soapbox for social justice issues but I still feel they'll give her more weight than an MRA's caricature of feminism. In the end, I figure she'll probably be to feminism what Oberon is to liberalism, Prospera is to libertarianism, Yorick is to religious fundamentalism, or Edmund is to racism.
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I still really feel like their character artists spend their time off and breaks at work browsing the anime sections of Deviant Art and are trying to impress their Deviant Art friends with the t&a they put in. They're clearly talented, but man, Swen, really? Yeah, I'm excited by the potential I can see by the writing based on how they've been describing it, but...we'll see.
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Djeser posted:I don't think she's going to be used as an insightful soapbox for social justice issues but I still feel they'll give her more weight than an MRA's caricature of feminism. You can see what she's like in Total Biscuit's WTF Dragon Commander video.
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Maybe it's just because we haven't seen more than a few brief interactions with the characters. It is possible that they do move beyond their one-dimensional nature as your interactions shape them over the course of a campaign. Catherine isn't even the worst - Yorrick the Undead Councillor is completely intolerable from what I've seen. I'm not even sure they're doing the Lizards as American-style Libertarians either. Maybe European Liberterians are different? Prospera actually supported government healthcare AND reprimanding the tabloid newspaper. Anyhoo, new patch. quote:Changelist 1.0.152.9727 Showing the map is really important for deciding what mercenary cards you want to play. Naval units aren't going to do much on Falcon's Rocks, but will dominate Fallen Moon. The change to have double-clicking only get all on the current screen is also good so you don't have to worry about units traveling from halfway across the map because you wanted a certain group to focus fire. Balancing - Trooper Speed increased from 105 to 110 (168 to 176 with the Enhanced Engines upgrade) - Grenadier Armor decreased from 6 to 4 - Hunter Damage decreased from 42 to 40
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drat, I forgot to check back on this and I missed the kickstarter by miles. Correct me if I'm wrong but D:OS has been pulled back however they're offering a preorder bonus instead? It looks like they've been really industrious on getting patches out and that is reassuring. I'm a sucker for RTSs and RPGs and this has other interesting things thrown into the mix, I have to buy it now you jerks! 
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Delacroix posted:drat, I forgot to check back on this and I missed the kickstarter by miles. D:OS is no longer available for preorder-through-pledge and they're probably not going to be opening regular preorders for D:OS until they're closer to release. If you ordered D:OS and D:DC through a Kickstarter pledge, you got an upgrade to the Imperial Edition. You can also get the upgrade if you preorder it. It's a soundtrack, a development documentary, a campaign map based on Earth, and a golden dragon skin, and after the game's release, it's going to be an extra $10. You can preorder D:DC on Larian Vault, Steam, or GOG.com. For preordering, the benefits are: Larian Vault
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The Larian Vault version gives you both a DRM free version AND a Steam key, so you can have your DRM and Steam. If you get a Retail boxed copy, you get a Digital backup copy from GoG. I'm adding this stuff to the page 3 FAQ now.ForkTong posted:Steam version uses Steamworks for matchmaking. Lar posted:If you want to take advantage of the Steamworks features, you do need to have the game installed in your Steam library. The gog.com version will automatically pick up that you have it on Steam and thus open up the Steamworks tab in the game (with matchmaking, leaderboards etc...). I forgot to add that.
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Our final two principal characters are revealed. Camilla - Princess, Lizard Race Camilla was raised in the royal household of lizards in a very strict, indeed authoritarian way. Her parents did not shy away from severe punishments for the slightest infractions and this rigorous upbringing has given shape to her character in a fundamental way. All she has known all her life is law and order, and that is what her life is still about : she is a judge with a reputation for handing out harsh, uncompromising sentences. Aboard the Raven, she will remain a servant of the law, though you - perhaps - can influence her decisions. Oberon - Councillor, Elf Race A staunch defender of the 'Green Mother', Oberon defends nature where he can, so serving elven interests. Elves try to keep a balance in a ruptured world, not wanting dwarves to destroy it with mines and factories or undead to make it all too rigid with dogmatic beliefs. It occurs to me now that the earlier updates that suggested that the Lizards were the "Free Market solves everything" Libertarians were wrong. Thinking about it, I think that it's the Dwarves who actually occupy that "free market rules" niche. The Lizards might be more Authoritarian types, most concerned about Order. There should also be an update later today to tweak the rules for the last-chance Dragon spawning. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Lizard boobies.
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I can only hope the elven dudes have REALLY huge nutsacks. Christ. Haha. I'm not sure WHO I'll have as my trusted advisor now. The breasty Skeleton, the chesty Dwarf, or the stacked lizardress. Larian sure knows how to make things interesting. Keepin' it classy, guys. 
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Drifter posted:I can only hope the elven dudes have REALLY huge nutsacks. Just take the harem route. 
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If you didn't instantly fall for the skeleton with lipstick I think there might be something wrong with you.
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Larian Twitter posted:Larian Studios @larianstudios 1h  I don't believe that they're "no kidding".Irony.or.Death posted:If you didn't instantly fall for the skeleton with lipstick I think there might be something wrong with you. Eh, I'm not a huge fan of Ophelia's guilt-trip-inducing backstory. It's pretty much saying "Pick someone else and you'll condemn her to death. You jerk." I think I'll pick the Dwarf first, she sounds interesting. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Eh, I'm not a huge fan of Ophelia's guilt-trip-inducing backstory. It's pretty much saying "Pick someone else and you'll condemn her to death. You jerk." If Larian's planning to put story-relevant stuff in the newspapers, it'd be interesting to hear about what happens to the princesses you don't marry. (Though I don't remember if divorce/remarriage is supposed to be a thing--that might make it harder.) Still, would be kinda nice to hear that she left the royal court to go and search for a cure on her own.  e: An option I just realized was there but never used before was the Game Speed option, which I found incredibly useful, because even on Easy, it felt like the AI opponents were always outpacing me. It makes the game almost lethargic when you put it on Slowest for speed, but I managed to win my first game against an AI like that. My current feeling is somewhere between  and 
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That has got to be the most humanized Lizard race I've seen, did some Asari bonk lizard people?
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Someone should ask Larian to implement a harem route DLC. True, the influx of cash would topple Belgium's economy, but I think that's a price we can all pay Seriously though, the whole political aspect of this game sounds really interesting, and hopefully DC succeeds so other game companies might
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Okay, NOW this should be the last of our principal characters. (Yes, Larian does deserve a ribbing for their breasty lizards.) Grumio - Chief Engineer (Imp) To humans and perhaps even dragons, all imps seem a bit ... odd. Grumio forms no exception. He is the one who constructs new technologies aboard your command ship the Raven and though he may look like a glorified grease monkey, there's more to him than meets the eye. As an engineer, his skills are quite simply unsurpassed. Maxos - Wizard (Human(?)) Maxos is an age-old (some say immortal) wizard, grey of beard, but keen of mind. The depth of his knowledge is unfathomable and you - just like Arthur had Merlin - are lucky to have him on your side as a guide and a mentor.
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CommissarMega posted:Someone should ask Larian to implement a harem route DLC. True, the influx of cash would topple Belgium's economy, but I think that's a price we can all pay Divinity: Dragon Commander - Legalise bigamy=unlock harem ending? I really hope they don't go too overboard with the ludicrous breast lizard type fanservice...
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I don't remember much from Divinity 2, but was Maxos a cool dude? It was his students who were d-bags, am I right? I seem to recall Maxos was kind of removed from earthly things, living with all the dragons and stuff. Oh god... I'm so ... sorry...must post. CottonWolf posted:Divinity: Dragon Commander - Legalise bigamy=unlock harem ending? Have you not been seeing all of the released character art? They're embarrassingly hypersexualized - it's practically 90's comic book art. I know Swen tries to laugh off the issues people have been raising by giving whatever weird "But we didn't know when we sent it around the office" type of excuse, but golly jeez. Swen posted:But coming back to the imagery: It was actually shown around to different groups and didn't raise any objections then, which is why we were surprised that it caused so much reaction once we made it public. Obviously, there are large cultural differences between different parts of the world so it's perfectly possible that something which doesn't cause a reaction here, may cause a lot of reaction elsewhere, and we've learnt over the years that in all cases it'll be impossible to please everybody. It's not about being prudish. I hope their writing is better than their art, in terms of representation.
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Drifter posted:I don't remember much from Divinity 2, but was Maxos a cool dude? It was his students who were d-bags, am I right? I seem to recall Maxos was kind of removed from earthly things, living with all the dragons and stuff. Yes. His main character flaw was arrogance, which was justifiable up until he decided he wanted to visit the Hall of Echoes (which Patriarch implied did not quite go as planned). At least during the part of his history described in Divinity 2 (building the Sentinel Island battle tower and being given the ability to create dragon knights), it didn't sound like he was much involved in human affairs. His motive to enter the Hall of Echoes was power, though he claimed it was knowledge, so presumably he could have ended up worse than his students had he been interested in wealth or politics, etc.
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Drifter posted:I don't remember much from Divinity 2, but was Maxos a cool dude? It was his students who were d-bags, am I right? I seem to recall Maxos was kind of removed from earthly things, living with all the dragons and stuff. Is this on their website? From the actual in game character models they look kind of overdone, but sadly within the parameters of "videogames gonna be videogames  ".
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Patch 157 has dropped. Plenty of new stuff here, the biggest of which are an Advanced mode that let you tweak a lot of gameplay settings, and a Beta ladder for you to test your skills. I do not have any, alas, so I probably won't get very far on it.Swen posted:Hi Everybody, Balance: - Juggernaut Range increased from 1800 to 2350 (with Imp Binoculars, 2250 to 2938)
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God drat, they really are tearing it up with new patches and balances and cool stuff. Working hard, they surely are. It's a shame, but you will never see me on any rung beyond the lowest most one. I have a severe lack of skills in the competitive rts arena. God this game's going to be so hard for me.  Captain Oblivious posted:Is this on their website? From the actual in game character models they look kind of overdone, but sadly within the parameters of "videogames gonna be videogames Divinity: Dragon 
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I prefer to think of the character designs at a self-aware parody of a certain strain of traditional fantasy... even if really it's just a Belgian thing. Regardless, the gameplay looks to be shaping up quite nicely and I'm looking forward to them wrapping it up (so I can start hearing more about Original Sin again.)
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Man I really want to like this game but between my total incompetence at RTS and my creeping horror over titlizards I don't think I'll buy at full price, if at all. Guess I'll just wait for Original Sin and hope they don't get too gross about boobies in that game too.
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Semisponge posted:Man I really want to like this game but between my total incompetence at RTS and my creeping horror over titlizards I don't think I'll buy at full price, if at all. Guess I'll just wait for Original Sin and hope they don't get too gross about boobies in that game too. Oh, but BUTTS are okay?!!?!?!
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Mozi posted:I prefer to think of the character designs at a self-aware parody of a certain strain of traditional fantasy... even if really it's just a Belgian thing. Regardless, the gameplay looks to be shaping up quite nicely and I'm looking forward to them wrapping it up (so I can start hearing more about Original Sin again.) Why would it be a Belgian thing? I think it's just that a lot of the developers at Larian are crusty middle-aged guys who think this is the way fantasy is 'supposed to be' since it's what they grew up with in the eighties. Part of it is wink-wink-nudge and it's better than Bioware's pandering, but it's still a bit ridiculous-looking and embarrassing. I'm also anxious for it come out 1) so I can play it and 2) so we start getting updates on D:OS again.
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Maybe I'm just part of the horrible patriarchy but I think the princesses don't look bad for, you know, pretty princesses. The only thing I outright don't understand is why Prospera has the same bustline as Camilla, or why Camilla is so drat Na'vi compared to the other lizards. I do still wish they'd had the time and budget to make a gender option, though. That would have been nice, though given how DC's story stuff works, I can see why it'd be a huge effort. Djeser fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind lizardboobs if the princess looked more lizardly. In such a case, it'd be hilarious, while right now it's just creepy.
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I'm glad we have a Grumio. The last time I saw that name was in secondary school latin class. All I remember is that he was a cook slave, he was usually in the kitchen and we used to make bad jokes in class about him pleasing Metella,the matron of the household. I miss the cambridge latin course.
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^^^ - Grumio fanfiction  Djeser posted:Maybe I'm just part of the horrible patriarchy but I think the princesses don't look bad for, you know, pretty princesses. The only thing I outright don't understand is why Prospera has the same bustline as Camilla, or why Camilla is so drat Na'vi compared to the other lizards. I'm cool with it only having one point of view or gender for the player, actually. Whether it was a man or lady commander would have been fine by me. I do wish there'd be more of an even spread of these things, but as you say, it's so time/money consuming to do anything more than print and switch gender pronouns, especially to write (well) and then act both different points of view enough to differentiate things. It's just their male horny teenager's representation of women that I find somewhat Of course, I would love to have the writing blow me out of the water with multi-tiered views and social relevance, so I won't fully judge anything until it's in my grubby little hands. The only thing I really know about the story is that the lady voice actor from a youtube video about the voice acting sounded pretty baller...and you're a dragon. Drifter fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 27, 2013 |
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The princesses really aren't that bad in the concept art (the Dwarven Princess looks like a high price prostitute) for the most part, the worst of it ironically seems to be coming from the undead princess and how much concept art dwells on the luscious titties that can ONLY BE YOURS if you save her~. It is a bit overdone. Also robo-boobs apparently? 
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I haven't had a chance to read the last seventy or so posts in the thread till today, so I got to see all the new character reveals pretty much in one go and I gotta say, those princesses really are sad. I feel kinda let down now since I guess I was expecting Larian to be able to come up with characters who weren't star trek style 'different coloured human with stuff glued to the forehead' ones. They just slapped huge norkers on everything and called it a day. Even the skeleton. It's a skeleton!
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Captain Oblivious posted:The princesses really aren't that bad in the concept art (the Dwarven Princess looks like a high price prostitute) for the most part, the worst of it ironically seems to be coming from the undead princess and how much concept art dwells on the luscious titties that can ONLY BE YOURS if you save her~. It is a bit overdone. (gently caress whatever writer on Bioware who came up with that idea...)
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Sylphosaurus posted:I'd guess that from the concept art for the Undead Princess that you'll get to choose two ways to save her from the bonerot, either she gets a new, living, body or you go the Mass Effect 3 route and install her soul into a sexbot.
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Unless they changed the tone significantly from the other Divine Divinity games I'm pretty sure every game in this series is extremely tongue in cheek.
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Eej posted:Unless they changed the tone significantly from the other Divine Divinity games I'm pretty sure every game in this series is extremely tongue in cheek. I recall a talking well in Divinity 2 that practically orgasms when you throw a big sack of money down its GAPING SHAFT.
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