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I think the media needs to stop focusing on the celebrations. I think that to certain people it might come across as celebrating over the death of one brother and the capture of another. And those people probably already have a problem with our imperialist/nationalist/whatever actions. It won't take too much of a push to convince some that they need to take action in the way that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar did. That's what I am worried about.
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It is still far too early to know details but I do wonder if he was somehow coerced into being an accomplice or otherwise not a fully willing participant. If it is a situation like that and if he cooperates I personally wouldn't be uncomfortable with him getting 40 or 50 years. Yes that would be the majority of his life but if there is a murkier picture then I think we as a society can settle on something less than death or life. The whole family situation sounds bizarre and the older brother sounds like a violent and controlling personality what with his domestic assault and battery in 2009.
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Boogaleeboo posted:Universal health care that covers basically everything, some of [If not the] best public schools in the country, free or low cost preschools and child care, job training, help with utilities and housing.....I'm trying to think off the top of my head what we don't help cover. And then there are federal programs too beyond our state programs. Yeah no, none of that is true.
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Tricky Twisty posted:What's the good word goons Thunderbird. What's the price? 40 twice. EDITED for content: My mom was working in a building across from the court house they evacuated on Tuesday (I think?) and told me about how much mayhem there was. I spet this week pretty freaked out because of how close my parents are to Boston on a pretty regular basis, and I have a lot of college friends (I went to college in western MA) that live there.
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Ehud posted:The suspects' uncle was just on the Today Show. He thinks the older brother was heavily influenced by somebody overseas, and that he was really influential in getting his younger brother to go along with the plan. He also said the older brother said some things that made him think his faith had gone from devout to something more "radicalized" Yesterday on NPR they had a lot of quotes from family. There were a bunch about what a great kid the younger brother was(seemed to be). One uncle straight up called the older brother a "loser".
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Cameron posted:Am I the only one kind of weirded out by how people are reacting to the cops catching the guy? The dumbass CNN reporter aside, the people giving high fives, thumbs up, big smiles, the police twitter saying "the terror is over, yeehaw!!"? It seems like this should be a more somber time, but I guess Americans love a good show even in tragedies. It was special circumstances. The whole town had been locked in all day. Then they lifted the cordon, and if you live there and know they didn't catch the guy, you're still going to be a little scared. Finally they catch the guy, to much relief. People were happy it was finally over.
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What bugs me isn't that people are celebrating, it's more that people are celebrating for the wrong reason. You know there's a bunch of people who weren't connected to the event, just using it as a reason to go out to be drunk and disorderly. That and reddit being garbage as usual and acting like they were the guiding light of the internet again. Because you know, they were the reason the bomber was caught, just like they were the reason SOPA got shut down and so on. Good job making sure that Indian family will be harassed for a good long time. 
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:Zacarias Moussaoui is alive in a supermax prison in Colorodo. I think that's because the US government struck a deal with Europe in exchange for evidence. What's the point of keeping any of these fuckers alive? It probably costs at least a million dollars a year for each person.
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Damo posted:Kevin "In n Out, Real Quick" Brennan 4 Lyfe. Has anyone made the comment yet that In-N-Out burgers are a west coast company only? They don't go past Dallas, Texas.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I think the media needs to stop focusing on the celebrations. I think that to certain people it might come across as celebrating over the death of one brother and the capture of another. And those people probably already have a problem with our imperialist/nationalist/whatever actions. It won't take too much of a push to convince some that they need to take action in the way that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar did. That's what I am worried about. Nah, gently caress that, the more celebrating the better. It shows that the people aren't making GBS threads the beds over it. Remember that it took just two idiots to lock down a WHOLE city with rather lovely explosives. The more the world sees that the locals are getting together to help each other over it, the less it encites the next wannabe Dzhokhar. And those abroad will chop up whatever footage anyway to make their point, so why bother.
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FreelanceSocialist posted:I think the media needs to stop focusing on the celebrations. I think that to certain people it might come across as celebrating over the death of one brother and the capture of another. And those people probably already have a problem with our imperialist/nationalist/whatever actions. It won't take too much of a push to convince some that they need to take action in the way that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar did. That's what I am worried about. I'm not getting the hate over the celebrations. An entire city was literally shut down. People were blowing up civilians, starting gunfights, carjacking, throwing bombs out of a moving car and killing cops in cold blood. I'd be pretty happy that it was once again safe to leave my house.
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Cameron posted:Am I the only one kind of weirded out by how people are reacting to the cops catching the guy? The dumbass CNN reporter aside, the people giving high fives, thumbs up, big smiles, the police twitter saying "the terror is over, yeehaw!!"? It seems like this should be a more somber time, but I guess Americans love a good show even in tragedies. No you're not, and I understand the sentiment, but I can't really exaggerate how stressful and exhausting it was to be in Boston this week. The city was figuratively holding it's breath for the better part of a week and then finally got to exhale.
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It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out.
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Yardbomb posted:just using it as a reason to go out to be drunk and disorderly. I'm sure had this event not happened, a bunch of people in a college town/area would be able to find a reason to be drunk and disorderly. A reason like "it's Friday"
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This is Boston we're talking about. People get drunk on the streets and hoot and holler for lesser reasons every week. It's getting back to normal dressed in a celebration.
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out.  Petey, you woke up.
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Loucks posted:Edit: I hope they don't execute him. The death penalty is so barbaric. Not getting into a debate about the merits of the death penalty (which is a huge  whenever it's brought up), I think the USAG would want to authorize the prosecution to seek the death penalty because it gives the defense more room for a plea bargain for life without parole. Just the evidence that's been publicly revealed thus far is pretty overwhelming, and I don't see a reason to force this case to trial. Letting him plead out to life without parole and this whole situation be resolved quickly is the best case scenario in my mind.
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text editor posted:I'm sure had this event not happened, a bunch of people in a college town/area would be able to find a reason to be drunk and disorderly. I'd be cool with that, it just rubs me the wrong way that this time it was because "These two guys bombed people including a child, killed more people, hurled bombs at cops and pretty much crippled our city by themselves... BUT WE CAUGHT EM WOO AMERICA."
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I have seen Americans get angry over the insurgent celebrations of killing Americans, so I don't think it is a stretch to say that showing our celebrations might anger people on the other side of this situation (more so than they already are). Not saying there is anything wrong with celebrating, but the media kind of turned it into a celebration of the celebrations...
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T. Finninho posted:Here's the thing, toby and I don't have to agree just because we are both mods. And he also doesn't roll around on the floor if I say "go gently caress yourself". It's shocking poo poo I know. I'm still crying about it actually But to be serious, since I was illin' last night and went to bed shortly after I made that post: Many of you are right, I should not judge and people need to deal with this in their own way. I wouldn't be out in the street waving a flag around, but if that's how someone needs to express their relief, who am I to say it's wrong.
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Yardbomb posted:I'd be cool with that, it just rubs me the wrong way that this time it was because "These two guys bombed people including a child, killed more people, hurled bombs at cops and pretty much crippled our city by themselves... BUT WE CAUGHT EM WOO AMERICA." We celebrated because the police did a fantastic job and we have a sense of freedom again. The celebration was for the effort of law enforcement and other first responders, not for retribution. This is different than the bin Laden situation. Also everyone in the city WAS involved, victims or not. toby posted:I'm still crying about it actually I was pretty mad at you last night, considering you've seen via social media what was going with me. But I'm so hosed on emotions right now that I should forgive you and thank you for this post. got dat wmd fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Bob Morales posted:What's the point of keeping any of these fuckers alive? It probably costs at least a million dollars a year for each person. I doubt it cost anywhere near that much, only if you include the cost of the building, otherwise its just upkeep of the building, meals, electricity, water and the guards salaries, just like in any other prison.
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out. Good morning Petey. Hope you're doing ok. If you need anything, don't hesitate to let us local goons know. Cambridge is its usual Saturday morning quiet. Back to normal, as far as I can tell, and that's all I could have asked for.
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Also, Petey come out for brunch with us at Corner Tavern (see Boston Goon Meet thread) at 12:45 if you can make it. I'll probably set something up for tomorrow too.
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rikatix posted:Has anyone made the comment yet that In-N-Out burgers are a west coast company only? They don't go past Dallas, Texas. I will make the comment that they are god damned delicious. Also, I would not call it "west coast" if you are including Dallas. FreelanceSocialist posted:I have seen Americans get angry over the insurgent celebrations of killing Americans, so I don't think it is a stretch to say that showing our celebrations might anger people on the other side of this situation (more so than they already are). Not saying there is anything wrong with celebrating, but the media kind of turned it into a celebration of the celebrations... You don't think it is a stretch to compare celebrations of catching someone who blew up innocent civilians with celebrations of insurgents blowing people up? Seek therapy. Since this is the civil thread, that's about all the disgust I will display at your comparison. Fog Tripper fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Yardbomb posted:"These two guys bombed people including a child, killed more people, hurled bombs at cops and pretty much crippled our city by themselves... BUT WE CAUGHT EM WOO AMERICA." that seems like a totally legitimate reason to be happy though? Not even in a vindictive way. Life has been weird here for the last week, and totally surreal for the last 24 hours in particular. I'm less than a mile from where they got him, and terrorism related nervousness aside, yesterday was above 70 degrees for the first time this year in the Boston area. People would have been out in the streets in huge numbers, but had been cooped up inside all day instead. I know the cabin fever was probably more agitating for my roommate than the hordes of cops and gunshots down the street.
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got dat wmd posted:We celebrated because the police did a fantastic job and we have a sense of freedom again. The celebration was for the effort of law enforcement and other first responders, not for retribution. This is different than the bin Laden situation. You know, were this in LA not only would the roboraped old man been raped by a hail of bullets, anyone else they ran across (such as the small handful of sidequests dispatch sent them on over the course of the story, like the 3 guys in a house with 'white hat guy' being possibly one) would have been shot to hell, and every boat in the neighborhood would have been burned and then crushed with da bearcat when they got the report of the kid being in a boat.
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out. Must look really nice out there.
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In the late 19th century, Russia conquered the region Caucasus where Chechnya is today (in order to support an empire that doesn't exist anymore, but used to be where Georgia is today). Chechens didn't like this. Along came World War II. Chechnya tried to break away from the USSR while it was dealing with Germany (they tried this before then a few times, too). Stalin got pissy and made life pretty bad for Chechens for a long time - executions, deportations, etc. USSR gets dissolved in 1991, a lot of the former parts of it turn into independent countries. Chechnya didn't get to. More friction. Remember the bombings in Russia in 1999? Well the government blamed Chechnya because Chechnya had backed Dagestan in establishing an Islamic state. Russia then invaded Chechnya under Putin's orders. You might remember the rest of the world being pissed off at that maneuver. Following that, Chechnya became autonomous (but still very much a part of Russia) and enacted its own constitution, so things have been getting better. There are a lot of Chechens who are Pro-Russia at this point. There is also an undercurrent of anti-Russian sentiment and a healthy population of militants who enjoy pissing off Russia and want to destabilize the whole region. See attacks by guerillas in 2002 (theatre hostage crisis), 2004 (Moscow bombings), and 2005 (school takeover, tons of kids killed). The region is still very much a powder keg. And don't forget that we (the US) supported Georgia ten years ago when they were fighting against Chechen separatist cells. That's what I can remember offhand, but it's probably wrong, so feel free to correct me. Fog Tripper posted:You don't think it is a stretch to compare celebrations of catching someone who blew up innocent civilians with celebrations of insurgents blowing people up? Seek therapy. Since this is the civil thread, that's about all the disgust I will display at your comparison. No, I was saying that it isn't a stretch for people to be angered over the celebrations, if they (ideologically or otherwise) support violence against Americans and think of bombers like the brothers are martyrs or whatever. I am not saying that that is how I feel... FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out. Doin alright, Petey? Hope you got some good rest.
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I'm sure this has been covered but the one question I have about this whole incident is how this all started. Why did they shoot the MIT officer? Did someone recognize them or what?
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For all those that said they wanted to buy Petey a beer, he said multiple times not to spend the money on him and instead to give it to the family that he knew that was devastated by injuries and the death of their little boy. Just repeating this in case anyone still wanted to do something to help out Petey and the families affected.  http://richardfamilyfund.org/
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I've been seeing my right wing friends on facebook taking this whole thing and reacting to it with a sense of "YOU DON'T MESS WITH 'MERICA", missing the point that these were American citizens, and probably aren't even connected to overseas groups.
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Gio posted:I'm sure this has been covered but the one question I have about this whole incident is how this all started. Why did they shoot the MIT officer? Did someone recognize them or what? The news media had said probably not. The officer was sitting in his car, the two must have saw him, freaked out, and they pretty much ambushed him in his car. I think the release of the pictures must have caused them to panic.
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This might be helpful for the OP and certainly for anyone in the thread to read. Seth Mnookin, a renowned journalist, MIT prof, and local guy, wrote a short recount of the events for the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/29/130429ta_talk_mnookin. I was with Seth at the staging area around 4 AM on Friday morning. He doesn't cover much here but I imagine he will expand later and you can trust him totally. BondGamer posted:Just made a quick map to put everything in perspective: fletcher posted:Which dot is Petey? I am a few feet from the leftmost (westernmost) Dunkin Donuts. Priorities, man. Muck and Mire posted:Also, did reddit's gung-ho team of crack internet crowdsourced detectives actually accomplish anything here, beyond falsely naming those two other guys? No. They did only harm. natetimm posted:The contrasts between this and the Dorner situation in LA really jump out at me. I'm not sure if the law enforcement personnel in Boston were under strict orders to take him alive or if they just in general have their poo poo together, but as a resident of SoCal I see this as a good example of how to hold our police to a higher standard in the future. That's how it's done Boston, good for you. I went to the boat this morning and thanked the police officers. Petey fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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got dat wmd posted:We celebrated because the police did a fantastic job and we have a sense of freedom again. The celebration was for the effort of law enforcement and other first responders, not for retribution. This is different than the bin Laden situation. I think it's just hard to understand this feeling if you haven't lived it. I get exactly what you're saying because of the DC Sniper stuff 10 years back where in the county I live in 7 people were shot completely at random. Celebrating an end to that kind of thing is completely understandable.
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Cameron posted:Am I the only one kind of weirded out by how people are reacting to the cops catching the guy? The dumbass CNN reporter aside, the people giving high fives, thumbs up, big smiles, the police twitter saying "the terror is over, yeehaw!!"? It seems like this should be a more somber time, but I guess Americans love a good show even in tragedies. After a brutal attack against a cherished public event, a million+ people under lockdown and one of the biggest cities in the country mostly shut down for a manhunt... people are gonna be pretty drat ecstatic when the dude is finally found. Consider it a very human way for people to start healing from the stress and pain of an awful week, dude. Yardbomb posted:You know there's a bunch of people who weren't connected to the event, just using it as a reason to go out to be drunk and disorderly. Welcome to New England.
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sheri posted:The news media had said probably not. The officer was sitting in his car, the two must have saw him, freaked out, and they pretty much ambushed him in his car. Yeah, it's all speculation but this seems very likely. It really looks like these guys never considered what would happen after they did this (or even that they might get caught), given that they had no apparent escape plan and how quickly everything went to poo poo once their pictures were passed out by the FBI. Panic seems like a strong possibility. But who knows at this point?
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