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Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Oh hey, Rise of Flight and its DLC packs are 50% off on Steam. I wonder what the odds of it being on Daily or Flash sale are. This is Rise of Flight's first major sale since getting on steam, yeah?

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Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Oh I definitely plan to wait. I really do hope it gets an extra discount, 66% would be great (to say nothing of 75%). If not I'll probably just pick up the base set and then maybe some of the DLC during the winter/holiday sale.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


The email leaked by some dumb indie dev a month or so ago said that the sale prices would be the same in the Black Friday and holiday sales.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Bondematt posted:

The A-10c actually has an air to air mode :v:. Complete with those weird line...things for a few planes.

Every time I try to get a helicopter they just spin around and shoot me, even if I'm maneuvering, while like a kilometer away.

You mean a gun sight showing the projected path of the bullet stream?

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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Well, I just had a boring patrol in Rise of Flight turn into a terrifying fight for survival.

On the way back from patrol one of my flight mates nicked my tail somehow during high time acceleration. I lost elevator control at about 1km up and the plane constantly wanted to pitch up. After doing a few dangerous maneuvers I realize rolling sideways would give me some measure of control over my aircraft via slow turns, so I used that plus throttle control to slowly descend.

Once down low I tried to figure out how to land. The plan was to bank until I was nearly touching the ground, slowly throttle back, then once near stall speed roll and the ground (probably hard) with the wheels level.



Unfortunately it didn't quite work out that way. One on the knife's edge of stall speed, it just didn't want to roll (I should've remembered this) so it just pitched up, stalled and SLAM.



Still, I'm amazed I managed to get down at all! I was banged up in the crash, but they only kept me in hospital for a week. I really wish they'd issue us parachutes, I would've ditched in a heart beat. :saddowns: This is the second time I've crash landed like this and man, the damage model sure is impressive looking. The way the plane just bends and breaks.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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Major Isoor posted:

getting shot three times by an RE8 gunner does not warrant only five days in hospital, as much as I'd like to get every day's worth of flying in before the end of the war.

I don't know if such a mod exists, but it might not be too hard to make one. By the way, did you ever look into the components of that RoF mod set I linked you?

Also, I wonder how the hell you seem to be so wildly successful compared to me. It took me 2 campaign months to get 8 kills in my Albatros D.Va. Half our missions we don't even run into targets, I wonder if its just the differences in time period. I'm not that lovely a pilot.

Dandywalken posted:

I keep forgetting I own Rise of Flight. Then when I want to reinstall, I remember I'll have to do that weird joystick-stuff for each plane due to trim not existing and get really dissuaded :(

Cant really answer your question Im afraid, but is the SP campaign worth giving a run? I'm honestly considering reinstalling now that I'm reminded I own the game and a few planes, and just dealing with that joystick poo poo like a man.

Why do you need trim? I find the planes easy enough to fly, after a little bit you get used to holding the stick a certain way to compensate. Certainly easier than adjusting the joystick control inputs to create "trim" that can't be adjusted on the fly. Also, yes, the campaign is pretty cool.


Speaking of Campaigns, you could try looking into Pat Wilson's Campaign Generator as an alternative to the RoF campaign, Isoor. I meant to try it out earlier but I was running into problems with the generated mission crashing (apparently because it didn't like the accent symbol on my guy's name). I did try one mission, but that one, a standard patrol ended almost immediately in my death as shortly after takeoff, my flight which included a named ace, Max Müller got bounced by some marauding S.E.5as and I got pilot shot. Worse still Max went down shortly after me, 3 vs 5 with no altitude/speed was just brutal.

You'll definitely want to download the official and fan-made skinpacks for that though, because it apparently integrates them so you can actually spot aces by their custom colors (when they have them). For example, here was Max's Albatros (he also had big, obvious "M"s painted on the underside of each lower wing, M.M.):



Dark_Swordmaster posted:

I own RoF and haven't played it all that much. What do you mean joystick stuff? Curves for each plane or such?

He means setting up the joystick's inputs/neutral point to automatically compensate for stuff like engine torque that more advanced planes would use trim settings for.

Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Feb 24, 2014

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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There is the official Skinpack and then Pat Wilson has links to skinpacks by plane.

As for my own career, my German career has gone from Nov 1917 to mid-early January now.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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So the difference between the $60 Academic version and the $200 "Professional" version is removing a "NO FUN ALLOWED" watermark in the corner of the screen?! :psypop:

What does the $2300 version do? :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Hey, if anyone picked up the latest Indie Gala Bundle for the Rise of Flight stuff, they added another RoF DLC pack to it, the Furious Wings Pack.

It comes with four fighters, two mid war, two early war.

SPAD 7.C1 (150HP and 180HP engine verions)
Albatros D.III

Halberstadt D.II
Nieuport 11.C1

Go get your codes. And if you haven't bought the bundle, give it some serious consideration if you're at all interested in a WW1 flight sim. $6 is an amazing price considering on steam that stuff would cost you $100ish (without a steam sale).

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Kilonum posted:

and they're claiming the CD key Steam gave me for that DLC is invalid :mad:

Also, even at the current price that bundle is well worth it, the RoF stuff alone is worth $104.97 on Steam.

You mean Rise of Flight is claiming its invalid? If so try again later.

I think their master server is having some kind of off-and-on-again problem the last few days. Sometimes I can't log into my RoF account online meaning no multiplayer or Career mode. Though I could use Pat Wilson's Campaign Generator if I was really jonesing to go on sortie, in fact, I've heard its superior to 777's own Career system.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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Its been mentioned before, but just a reminder. There is a bit over 24 hours left to pick up Rise of Flight: Channel Battles Edition and two DLC packs for a meager $6.

https://www.indiegala.com/rise

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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Less than a day left for the Rise of Flight Indie Gala Bundle. The Steam Channel Battles Edition and two DLC packs for $5.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Hey, Vahakyla, do me a favor and stream this poo poo tomorrow. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Clearly they should just make DCS:Zeus. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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This missile talk just makes me wish there was a better choice than Strike Fighters 2 for Vietnam and Korean war stuff.

Speaking of, have we heard anything more about DCS MiG-21bis? Was it a bis? I can't remember.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Yesssss. Now this is jet stuff I can get behind. No fancy computers systems or electronics! We need more Korea/early Vietnam stuff.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I wanted them. I greatly prefer Korean and Vietnam era air combat over computerized "push a few buttons and launch a missile at a plane/tank miles away you probably can't see" stuff.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I know I'm being a bit hyperbolic there, but I prefer guns and there isn't much in the way of Korean/Vietnam era flight sims.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Kilonum posted:

Official word from Thirdwire RE: Wings over Europe on Steam:

http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB3w/viewtopic.php?p=60452#p60452

(emphasis mine, as TW is a small indie dev that deserves money)

also, someone has a way to get SF2 to work with the Rift:

http://bbs.thirdwire.com/phpBB3w/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9602

They should toss SF2 on steam themselves, that plus a decent sale (not even a drastic one) would probably net some decent cash.

I mean, I'd probably buy it then, despite the warts SelenicMartian's lp has shown (especially Mercenary Mode being absolute poo poo).

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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When does this sale end?

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
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Its a great thread. Except for the fact it convinced me not to get SF2. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Sagebrush posted:

Strike Fighters was always neat to me because I tend to get tired of playing Spitfires vs. 109s for the billionth time...but I also don't really enjoy cruising in a straight line at 30,000 feet and staring at my radar display then firing six AMRAAMs at six people I can't see and turning around. Early to mid Cold War stuff is perfect for what I like. You get radars that can track one guy, maybe, if he's above you and directly ahead, and weapons that really put the "miss" in "missile", so you get the Top Gun experience of struggling hard to maintain a lock, but eventually you have to get into a furball anyway and finish the fight with guns. Lots of variety.

Now that I have the F-86 and the MiG-21 in DCS, though, the full cold war experience is there with all the lovely missiles and radars you could want, so there's really not a lot of reason to do Strike Fighters other than the novelty of flying a plane everyone forgot existed and/or destroying an entire bomber squadron in one shot with an AIM-26.

(I'd still love DCS: F-106, even more if you could carry Genies. Apparently Eagle Dynamics are big babies about putting nuclear weapons in their game though.)

I really wish we would get a newer take on a Strike Fighters game, both in terms of setting (Korean/Vietnam era jets, before computerization become dominant) and gameplay (more realistic than arcadey, but nowhere near DCS levels of realism). Perferably without all the lazy and/or slapdash kludging of the Strike Fighters series.

Probably won't happen though.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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e.pilot posted:

With some patience you can find the X52s for absolute steals.

I got mine for $50 on craigslist after scouring eBay, craigslist, and amazon for a month or two.

I know I did. But my deal came to me, basically. Thanks again, Vahakyla. :tipshat:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I wish we could get a modern game with the same amount of complexity as Strike Fighters that focused on the early-mid Jet Ages.

Basically Strike Fighters 3, but maybe by better devs.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Lockmart Lawndart posted:

DC6B for X-Plane out..... sort of.

PMDG pricing has gotten a bit out of hand.

http://www.precisionmanuals.com/ProductCart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=106&idcategory=10



Man, I could buy a real one for a tenth the price!

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Colonial Air Force posted:

But how else can I pretend I'm a Night Witch?

Il-2 BoS/BoM doesn't even have the PO-2. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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INTJ Mastermind posted:

Sold my C206 and bought a Baron! Still has the new plane smell with only 22 hours on it. Hotness! Now time to fly it all the way from Virginia home to SoCal. Sure there was a cheaper and newer one in Iraq but gently caress that ferry trip.

I can't tell if you're talking real life or not, or at least Joven's comment about loans from players cast doubt on it. Does one of these "civilian" sims* have an economy mode or something?

* I feel like a douche for saying "Civilian" sim, but I've only ever payed attention to combat simulators and wanted to make the distinction somehow.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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e.pilot posted:

Yes they're talking about Flight Sim Economy.

Looked into this, that seems pretty cool. I guess its obvious something like that would exist, but I never thought about it before.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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That Economy thing finally got me to take a serious look at X-plane and similar and holy crap, :psypop: I always thought EvilJoven was kind of joking about buying all that DLC. I was kind of interested in it, but I definitely can't justify buying all sorts of whizbang add-ons or or :20bux:+ planes with my income. Especially with only a casual interest and I'm just as likely to play it for a couple weeks then drop it.

And I thought Rise of Flight's DLC was bad.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Thanks for all the comments. I was mostly interested in FSE as a sort of "Euro Truck Sim: Airplane edition" casual thing rather than something more dedicated, so I'll think about it (though the steam sale ends soon).

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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lobsterminator posted:

Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen. Which is why they added the additional analog stick also.

Nevermind the HOTAS in cockpits in Elite is an X52. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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How is DCS doing the backseater in the F-14? Co-op?

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

Hopefully he might use the mobile games to bankroll a new Strike Fighters. If he got it on Steam, his sales would fly through the roof. I only found it out thanks to this LP of it, and immediately bought it. Older flight sims really suffered from a lack of visibility. I'd certainly pay full price + expansions again to play Strike Fighters in VR.

I'd kill for a modern flight sim focused on the pre-computerized jet age that had the same rough mix of "Sim vs Arcadey" as Strike Fighters 2. Basically Strike Fighters 3, yeah.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

I remember the ring-binder version of the manual




Such an awesome game...

Random Thought: I want a modern B-17 game. With multiplayer. Multiple bombers and multicrew.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I want it prettier, sexier, and capable of doing full B-17 formations. :v:

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I thought the aircraft limit of IL-2 was a few dozen? I'm talking 50+ combat box + escorts + attackers. I've never actually played much IL-2 (criminal, I know) so I guess I'm wrong.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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I'm just happy the F-5 has a MiG-28 Finback skin.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Anyone here have a Trackhat? I just got one and I'm having trouble figuring out how to set the camera offset.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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Strike Fighters 2? Sure, straight from the devs:

https://store.thirdwire.com/store_p1.htm

$30 each pack. I wish these guys would get a clue and a) lower their prices a bit b) put this poo poo on Steam or something.


I'd kill for a more modern version of Strike Fighters 2 with a similar time period focus and degree of complexity.

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Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

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BoS doesn't have grinding anymore, BoM is basically a standalone expansion to BoS (a genuine expansion with the steam version).


I'd kill for a modern "Strike Fighters" in terms of setting, era focus, and complexity/realism.

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