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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Can we skip Charles and just put William on our money? :allears:

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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
With Kathleen Wynne's comments about the current gong show surrounding Rob Ford, comes faint cries of "what about [FORMER LIBERAL MP] Joe Fontana, unelected premier Wynne? What about him?" from some far off corners of the Internet, like Twitter or Sun comments.

So what about Joe Fontana? I haven't really heard anything new since last month when he was last in court. Any London folks in this thread have any word from on the ground? Are the charges sticking?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

THC posted:

I'm at the slutwalk rally downtown and this loving fat bloke in a kilt and a legion hat is going around telling anyone who'll listen about the evils of Islam and Muslims are the real sexists don'tcha know :bahgawd:

This is such a pedandtic derail that comes up as a criticism of feminist efforts in Canada, and the United States. A feminist will argue that there is a problem within Canada, as to how women are treated. Let's say it's a case of sexual assault on college and university campuses, for example.

The derailer will say, "yes, but in Muslim countries women can't even leave the house without a male chaperone, so why aren't you trying to fight that fight, because it's so much worse there than it is here?"

And it's so loving disingenuous, and it drives me crazy.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Isn't that basically what the sovereign nation guys on the Internet are saying, that they get to pick what sets of laws apply to them?

I don't think it matters that the stated belief originates in religion. I have no idea what they could actually do to respond to "well you can try me for a crime, but you can only try me using a special set of laws that I requested." Seems like you'd have to get a specially trained lawyer too then, because the government only provides lawyers that know our laws.

So is plotting to blow up a train and kill people NOT a crime in the Qu'ran, or what? He's still being charged with conspiracy to BLOW UP A TRAIN AND KILL PEOPLE. I fail to see how the "holiness" of our criminal code should matter when he is literally charged with a literal crime.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
On the other hand, War On Cars.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Lexicon posted:

I suspect that statement describes just about everyone who isn't a fanatical pro-lifer.

Whereas some fanatical pro-lifers will have abortions of their own, or let their daughters have them, but that's different and you wouldn't understand.

And then call the doctor a murderer on the way out.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Some of the talk in the 3 shares of that post suggest she's got the straight up cash to pick it up. I don't know anything about this person or Women's Post, though she does look familiar.

But my question is why? Why does Women's Post need the Rob Ford video? I mean, okay, it'd be a way to get the website a bajillion hits, I suppose... She is a Toronto media person, so she'd have more connection to it than Gawker did. But this supposedly a magazine for "professional women" and in all honesty, that website is pretty terrible. I don't know if you guys have that same line down the middle that cuts through some of the text.

This has to be another video. It has to be.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Dallan Invictus posted:

You might remember Sarah Thomson from this famous civic election or this best-selling sexual harassment allegation.

(tl;dr: spite. Sweet, delicious spite.)

Right, right. I'll admit her name didn't jump out at me in connection to Rob Ford right away. So, okay, she's got a reason to be on this thing. It makes a little more sense now.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

bunnyofdoom posted:

Provincially it's solid red. First Watson, then Chiarelli.

Ottawa is pretty Liberal on the provincial level, which is always good for a laugh whenever Ottawa conservatives complain about Toronto liberals and how Dalton McGuinty (and now [unelected premier] Kathleen Wynne) are ALL THEIR FAULT! :argh:

Though, I have to say, I'm disappointed in Glengarry-Prescott-Russell's Grant Crack didn't run with the slogan "Get hooked on Crack!" Maybe this Rob Ford thing is going to soil that, now.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Dreylad posted:

I'm moving back to Ontario soon so I'm a bit out of the loop, but is "unelected Premier Kathleen Wynne" a thing? Because if so that's pretty gross.

Yeah, it's a thing. Some people really don't want a Liberal government, and that's fine on its own, but they're really pushing any angle to exclaim just how illegitimate, in their minds, the current government is.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Paper Jam Dipper posted:

To a casual, uneducated, uninformed voter it's incredibly effective. Easy to find pictures of him looking angry and menacing. Think not in reality but in Conservative smear campaigns.

Which is funny because the top page of results in GIS for John Baird have a lot of images of him angry and yelling at someone, whereas a lot of the images I find of Mulcair are of HAPPY TOM!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
They've been talking about putting a safe injection site in Ottawa for awhile, though the mayor says he doesn't want one. It's rumoured the province will force the city to accept one anyway.

The intended target is the Byward Market, which is right downtown, and only a couple of blocks from Parliament, and 24 Sussex. I keep hearing conflicting information on these things, and I'd like a bit more info. Most of the vocal opponents say that Vancouver's downtown east side, where Insite is, is a wasteland of hopelessness and addicition and crime, and apparently police aren't allowed within a certain radius of the inejction clinic. What's the deal with that?

Ottawa has a needle exchange program to try and cut down on dirty needle use. This is also opposed because they're not giving needles to diabetics for free, just drug addicts.

But a lot of the criticism I've heard of Insite, et al. is that it isn't safe, and that it doesn't provide addiction counselling, or rehab services, or that the people who use it don't take advantage of those services, that they just shoot up in the street with dirty needles later, that the drugs they bring in aren't safe, or are laced with other things, and that the blocks surrounding it turn into crime havens because of the no-cop zone.

I just find this entire debate confusing. Is it just ideology that's blocking this, on the perception that addicts aren't really people? Does it work, or doesn't it?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Can you imagine the glorious united nation we'd be if Quebec became a part of the United States?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
The private sector can get its act together and raise its pay scales to match those of the public sector, instead of having the government claw back the salaries of the public sector to match those of the private sector.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

vyelkin posted:

But wait, all the conservative propaganda has taught me that private individuals know better than the government what to spend their money on. Why should we trust the government to spend that two weeks' pay for all the public servants better than each of those individuals making their own rational economic decisions? This is basically just a one year 4% tax on tens of thousands of hardworking Canadians! The beleaguered public servants need tax relief!

Public servants are not individuals. They are all one large, homogenous hivemind of wasteful spending and greed. They are called Legion, for they are many.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Entropic posted:

The Ford Fuckup Train continues unabated:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/06/25/toronto-ford-radio-calls-dave.html?cmp=rss

Of course the Fords say 'Dave' work for them until after the calls, but

But whatever, at this point Rob has set the scandal bar so high that a story like this doesn't even register.

My understanding of a planted call is one that is placed or arranged by the hosts before or during the show, off-air, but made to sound as if it was spontaneous. It's entirely possible this friend of the family turned employee was just calling their show on his own.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

The best part of running for the Awful Party is there's no national platform! So I can run in Ottawa South as a Star Trek-style utopianist while the next riding over Team THEOLOGY can be running for the same party on a platform of punishing thoughtcrime and upholding fascism or whatever it is he's into. :v:

I'll take on John Baird in Ottawa West-Nepean. I would like to try and out tough-on-crime the tough on crime party, by suggesting that we make any suspected criminals fight to death in an arena for sport. Anything less is catering to the criminals WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS OF CRIME, MR. BAIRD? DO THEY NOT DESERVE TO DRINK THE SWEET SWEET BLOOD OF THOSE WHO WRONGED THEM? :qq:

Oh, and I want to force the provinces to change welfare to a pair of literal bootstraps, and a one-way ticket to Fort Mac.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

JohnnyCanuck posted:

I challenge your nomination for Ottawa-West Nepean! I'm running on a platform of Seniors Are Totally The Best People And Deserve A Bunch Of Stuff For Free.

I plan to win in a landslide.

When are you going to stop committing crimes, Johnny Canuck?

IF THAT IS YOUR REAL NAME.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

JoelJoel posted:

I was pushing for the Ottawa Department of Football. Maybe the Ottawa Bureaucrats. The Ottawa Harper's Government of Sport? How about the Ottawa Maple Leafs? They could draw a crowd from the GTA with some confusion at the very least.

See, my idea was to call them the Ottawa M.P.'s since we've already got the upper chamber covered by the NHL. We can have the commons covered by the CFL, and the soccer team could have been called the Ottawa Justice.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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bunnyofdoom posted:

The Baseball team would then be the...ummm...the pages?

The Ottawa Governors General.

Or, wait, that's uOttawa, isn't it?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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PK loving SUBBAN posted:

Agree 100%. I think he's also playing the long term game of discrediting the Charter, as that's where most of these new laws will lose. It's a way of continuing to keep the anti-Trudeau base mobilized, even though the Charter is 30 YEARS OLD GIVE IT UP ALREADY YOU CUNTS

:mad:

"Listen, only certain people are allowed rights and freedoms. We only have so many, so we can't just go giving them away willy nilly! Every time you give rights to someone, you have to take them away from someone else. That's how rights work! And really, since some people had fewer rights to begin with, wouldn't giving them rights and then taking them away be more cruel than never giving rights to them in the first place? If you give a child a candy and then take it from him, he will be more hurt than if you never gave him candy at all. Trudeau should have known this."

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

colonel_korn posted:

I moved to St John's a couple years ago and was interested to see how much more popular the Newfoundland Republic flag is here than the official provincial flag. Though that may be largely because it looks cooler.



(I think they basically just ripped off Ireland's flag in the 1880s and changed the orange to pink because they didn't like Protestants)

See, if they had changed the green to brown, they could have had an ice cream flag.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
:siren: FINALLY SOMEONE STANDING UP FOR THE WHITE MAN :siren:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06/27/hate-speech-no-longer-part-of-canadas-human-rights-act/

NatPo posted:

A contentious section of Canadian human rights law, long criticized by free-speech advocates as overly restrictive and tantamount to censorship, is gone for good.

A private member’s bill repealing Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, the so-called “hate speech provision,” passed in the Senate this week. Its passage means the part of Canadian human rights law that permitted rights complaints to the federal Human Rights Commission for “the communication of hate messages by telephone or on the Internet” will soon be history.

The bill from Alberta Conservative MP Brian Storseth passed in the House of Commons last summer, but needed Senate approval. It has received royal assent and will take effect after a one-year phase-in period.

An “ecstatic” Storseth said the bill, which he says had wide support across ideological lines and diverse religious groups, repeals a “flawed piece of legislation” and he called Canada’s human rights tribunal “a quasi-judicial, secretive body that takes away your natural rights as a Canadian.”

“(Section 13) had actually stopped being used as a shield, as I think it was intended, to protect civil liberties, and started being used as a sword against Canadians, and it’s because it was a poorly-written piece of legislation in the first place,” he said.

Various human rights lawyers and groups such as the Canadian Bar Association say Section 13 is an important tool in helping to curb hate speech, and that removing it would lead to the proliferation of such speech on the Internet.

But critics of Section 13 said it enabled censorship on the Internet, and are calling its repeal a victory for free speech.

Finally, our right to be offensive has been returned to us. That'll show those nancy-boy liberal PC thought police thugs who's boss! Maybe I'll go drop a few dozen slurs on the Prime Minister's Facebook page! :cawg:

(I won't do that because I'm not a terrible person)

Now, to be fair, the law hasn't really stopped hate speech on the Internet, as far as I can tell, so I guess in that respect it wasn't really working. Most Internet-based bigotry is stopped at the source by site mods, more than anything. Unless the government has been going after ISPs to shut down hate-based websites that I don't know about because I'm not a disgusting bigot. If that's the case, I'm looking forward to Stormfront.ca to be in operation before too long! We could have an empty-quote thread!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Getting a full driver's license in most provinces takes upwards of 2 years. Granted, you can operate a motor vehicle after a written test (though usually not without constant, passenger-seat supervision from a fully licensed driver with a number of years of experience), but I'm pretty sure every province has some sort of graduated licensing provision now. I don't know if it's necessarily easier to get a driver's licesnse than a firearms license, since I've never applied for the latter, but it's been a hell of a hassle for me to get my driver's, and I still don't have my full G in Ontario yet.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
It's a good thing those lazy Gen-Y kids won't have any jobs to go to when they graduate. That'll build some character!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Trying to suppress the left vote by manipulating the weather, eh? I'm onto your game, sir.

P'shaw, everyone knows weather manipulation is the realm of the leftist die-hard hippie socialists. After all, David Suzuki said Santa Claus was going to drown and we have 50 times more polar ice and polar bears than we did in 1977, and weren't we all supposed to be flooded by now? Besides, good Conservative people would have been at work during that rainstorm (because Conservatives have jobs and believe in hard work), so your efforts were for nothing, and you only impacted your lazy Ontario Works handout grabbers.

Hoisted by your own petard, McGuintailures!

Kathleen Wynne? More like Kathleen Lose! :smug:

HackensackBackpack fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Aug 1, 2013

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Boy, the pollsters have been really eating it lately. Just yesterday, it was something like 42-35 for the PCs in Ottawa South.

Are pollsters just asking the wrong questions, or are their methods weak? Or maybe the reporting of the polls in the media the day before drove votes?

Anyway... What of Tim Hudak now? How many by-elections is this he's lost since he took over?

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I have a question thread: Does Warren Kinsella have a history of making things up?


http://warrenkinsella.com/2013/08/the-rob-ford-crack-video-the-truth/

The Star has a story about the man who showed their two reporters the video. They don't know what happened to the video now.

I had forgotten about this story until last night, when Doug Holyday won his seat in Ford Country. Odd that it'd surface again this morning.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Hypha posted:

Can't you guys send him to Alberta; we got plenty of space for supreme blowhards. He can totally walk into homeless shelters blasted out of his mind and no one will care. We need to fill Ralph's shoes here and Rob sounds like the perfect candidate.

I don't know, conservatives in Ontario are about to flee the province en masse (for real this time!) to Alberta, or perhaps Texas, if the PCs keep losing provincial elections, so I want to keep the Fords around a bit longer. If they can lose the next provincial election in dramatic fashion, you can have all the blowhards!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Team THEOLOGY posted:

My personal favourite was his medal count. There is no "second place" idiot, it's first past the post.

Maybe Tim Hudak should campaign for electoral reform! :v:

He could even say it would help prevent [unelected premier] Kathleen Wynne and her McGuinty-trained Liberals from getting another mandate!

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
I hope Ontario gets an even crazier far-right splinter party. Like Wild Rose, only more Ontarioish... The White Trillium Party, maybe? Or maybe they'll name it after the provincial bird and just call themselves the Loon Party totally unironically.

And Lisa MacLeod can be the leader.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Something I always wondered is what was the Conservative's justification for cutting the per vote subsidy. I know I must have missed it

ARE TAXES.

That was it.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

vyelkin posted:

I hated it when people bitched and moaned about how their taxes were going to subsidize parties they didn't vote for. All I could ever say was "Yeah, and my taxes are going to support your party, which I didn't vote for either. Suck it up." The only people who lost from it were people who pay taxes but don't vote.

It's like how people bitch and moan about their taxes going to pay for welfare programs, but have no real response when I respond that I'd rather my taxes didn't go to pay for the military. Part of being an adult means you suck it up and do things you don't like, including paying taxes which some small part of will go towards something you personally disapprove of. That is a universal fact that is true of literally everyone, but only certain people spend all their time complaining about it.

Taxes going toward things I support is the government doing its job, and that is the only thing the government should do.

Taxes going toward anything else is socialism, and the private sector could do the same job twice as efficiently and at half the cost because Free Market.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
Maybe Sun TV can pull themselves up by their bootstraps, stop being so lazy, and make a product that people actually want. Failing that, I hear you can make $18 an hour working at the Tim Horton's in Fort Mac.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
"If you can't afford to pay for a private fire service, do you really have anything worth saving from a fire? What's that? Your spouse and children? You shouldn't have been so irresponsible to start a family when you knew something in your home could catch fire."

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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We Forgot.

:911:

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Rhobot Mk. II posted:

Leave it to the Ontario PC's to fire up an internal war with style.

https://www.lettimlead.ca

:munch:

According to the About section, it was launched by a pair of guys who worked on the social media team during the 2011 election and is "not affiliated with the PC Party."

Still. It's pretty sad.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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In other words, the show's target demo of people who hate anyone who wasn't born here, to the right kind of parents, would love it.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Look at Rob Ford's rants about the war on cars.

I bet if we paved every road in this country with gold, and made them all 16 lanes wide, we'd still be hearing about the war on cars simply because public transit has the audacity to exist.

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HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

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Ofc. Sex Robot BPD posted:

I wonder how many of the people who call in to conservative radio shows to bitch about the foreign ownership of the 407 here in Ontario unironically supported Rab Ferd in his pledges to privatize city services like garbage collection.

The answer is all of them.

It's because they've been told over and over that public sector = inefficient, private sector = efficient, so therefore privatizing everything will make it better.

Besides, if they privatize the garbage collectors, then anyone can just start a garbage collecting business and just pick up the garbage and if you don't like the service, you can just move onto a different one, because the market will create solutions. The market always creates solutions to problems. Sometimes it creates those problems JUST TO MONETIZE THE SOLUTION and that's called PROGRESS.

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