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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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JohnnyCanuck posted:

I self-identify as a progressive and liberal kind of person, and I am 100% behind keeping the monarchy. There was absolutely no irony behind my last post.

Same here except I'll go one step further, I self identify as Marxist leaning ideologically and I voted for the NDP, a member of the NDP (I voted for Mulcair in the leadership race) and I also support keeping at least the current Queen. She's been a institutional in of herself and a critical part of Canadian history and there's just no shaking that pathos for me.

I don't feel particularly strong about Charles or whoever it is that is taking over next, but I do find to a degree that the system helps keep us culturally distinct from the yanks down south and their dumb Amero idea.

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Lexicon posted:

Must everything be phrased in terms of how it relates to America? Your post is the embodiment of my least favourite thing about Canadian culture.

Also, what's a dumb Amero idea?

What? Its inherent to having a culture that there is a wish to remain distinct in comparison to similar cultures within the same "sphere", and America is economically and culturally huge (and currently politically toxic enough) enough that its a non-trivial concern when it comes to North American integration projects.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Lexicon posted:

Well sure. That doesn't mean the argument "X is a good idea because America exists" carries any water, especially when it's appended with "something something nebulous currency unification :tinfoil:"

If Canada is culturally unique, and culturally worthwhile (I believe it is both), that should be enough without constantly having to phrase everything in terms of how it relates to Americans. You basically said the monarchy is a good idea because America doesn't have it. What logic.

I actually said it makes us distinct, and that by making us distinct it helps to keep us separate from the Americans, there's a distinction.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Funkdreamer posted:

Our entire political system was ripped from the UK and you're worried about being distinct from Americans

You're reactionary and also having a republican system isn't the same as having an American presidential system

Reactionary is stepping backwards, I believe the word you're looking for is actually conservative. :eng101: But you don't address the cultural and historical aspect.

JayMax posted:

As a Québécois I feel a deep, seething revulsion for the Queen. To me she symbolizes imperial dominance, hegemony, disenfranchisement, alienation, humiliation.

As an Anglophone Quebecer I see the Queen as a symbol for national unity, equality and preserving Canadian culture.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Some inbred rich person born into a position of authority symbolizes equality and unity? Define Canadian culture because I don't know what you mean by that.

If the monarchy were something we could easily freeze-dry and put on display in a glass case somewhere I'd be all for it. There are more pressing issues but I think in general, having kings and queens is something everybody should strive to put behind us.

This strikes me as progress for the sake of progress, even if the dubious notion can be established that we can objectively or with very convincing reason determine whether something is anachronistic that's still a far cry from establishing that anything anachronistic should be discarded. By analogy, I'm sure Roman style architecture could be argued as being anachronistic for our modern age sensibilities but it would be silly to call for tearing down any building that uses it.

If the monarchy was consistently abusing whatever little power we allowed them to wield or were legitimately a blight on our history that's one thing, but the royals have been a part of our history, we owe much of our multiculturalism to our colonial legacy.

Even if it all comes down to is just aesthetic sensibilities, "I like the Royal Family because royalty has a certain je ne sais quoi to it" this is still short of the conclusion of "They're useless and so discard them onto the ashheap of history."

If there is no good reason for them there is no good reason to spare the expense against them.

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So he never figured out how to finesse the two together like Fraternite?

Socialist with Canadian Characteristics! :quebec:

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Quebecois Catholics literally weren't permitted to participate in elected government or public official positions because they had to swear oaths of loyalty and renounce their catholicism.

For a whole eleven years lets be honest here.

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 20:17 on May 31, 2013

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Ceciltron posted:

This of course, forgetting the fact that Catholics are not permitted to swear oaths of any kind, as a matter of religious doctrine.

As someone who is baptized catholic, whose family is largely catholic, who personally knows a catholic theologian in training this is a massive generalization, and is extremely pedantic any which way you slice it.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Helsing posted:

Eh, at a certain point I really think you should compromise your personal religious beliefs if you want to serve in public office. If the socially recognized precedent is for office holders to take an oath then your personal religious beliefs shouldn't put you above that standard. I feel like a certain degree to reverence toward official offices of state is warranted and should trump local differences.

Now if you want to make an argument why no one should have to swear an oath before taking office or if you have reason to believe that the oath was set up in a specific way to exclude Catholics then that'd be different. But I really don't think that by the mere fact of entertaining a certain esoteric belief system you should avoid certain responsibilities or gain certain privileges that aren't shared by your fellow citizens.

What he says, plus it isn't against Catholic doctrine to swear "Oaths of any kind." Only that you be mindful of WHOM you are swearing them to and not swear false oaths.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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JayMax posted:

Maybe you are. It comes down to whether you have any desire for self-determination.

Couldn't we self determine to be a part of a greater whole? This is an honest question in case you feel I'm trolling.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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JayMax posted:

It's an interesting question which raises a few more:

Can we self-determine to abdicate our self-determination? Can we self-determine to be somebody's subject?

Maybe. That's not how it usually works, though.

I think the obvious modern example is with the various nations de jure foregoing a bit of their sovereignty when they joined the United Nations. The European Union seems a more concrete example, there's some awesome Carribean islands who wanted in on our free healthcare.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

My grandpa, rest his creepy soul, would have called metis tieflings :v:

"They're half-devils! :byodood:"

Oh no! Who told you our secret!? The secrets out folks! :ohdear:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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THC posted:

Who cares? This is a company that makes a half billion dollars in profit each year I'm sure they'll survive having to have different cups and signs to suit the various localities where they do business. Maybe they can dip into their endless budget for stupid TV commercials to pay for it

Because its an anti-small business measure that makes companies not want to do business in Quebec and is especially harmful to start ups.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Paper Jam Dipper posted:

I have anglophone friends who can't speak French who work in Quebec. It's common in Montreal. Probably impossible in Northern Quebec where it starts to resemble Game of Thrones near the wall.

Its *very* difficult, 90% of the jobs in my field require it to varying degrees (Computer Science/IT). Dishwashing and most artist jobs seem to generally not require it from what I've seen.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Baloogan posted:

Maybe if they wore a turban of equal or larger size in french?

:golfclap:

For content, anyone read Thomas Schnurmacher? On the one hand I agree with the positions in the book ("Canada is not a real country") but I find the way he says makes me uncomfortable, like a Canadian Orson Scott Card in the way he attributes ill-intent intent to people he doesn't like.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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mr. unhsib posted:

Matthew Dubé is an MP, but he's one of those kids from McGIll that fluked their way into getting elected in 2011.

And isn't that awesome!? Anyone can be a MP if they really want to. :allears:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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We sometimes think of "fringe" parties as crazy dingbats but sometimes they serve a role in representing interests ignored by the big-tent polities; which in this case she has every right and obligation to do so. What important issue should she have been speaking about that isn't already covered by the other parties?

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Ceciltron posted:

I think complaining about Thai Mangrove Swamps is a bit useless when you could instead talk about, say, Canadian environmental destruction. She's running for office here, after all.

Except you could argue it is a Canadian concern in the same way cutting down Brazilian rainforests could be a Canadian/World concern.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

Screaming about becoming a tradesperson is better than what it was when I was getting out of high school which was more or less "if you do not spend the next several years locked into university, you will die homeless and alone in a cardboard box, covered in roaches and lepers". Boy, did that mentality ever work out well for my age cohort, I cannot tell you how many people I know who have absolutely useless degrees because they all rushed into the system without any thought for what they wanted to do with their expensive paper when they had it. PoliSci, Women's Studies, and English majors, ahoy!

Of course, I chose a different way, a better way to gainful income and a decent standard of life. I chose... RAPTURE. :swoon:

e: I have nothing against any of those degrees, btw. If I had to go into university, I would almost certainly shove my nose into a linguistics or classics textbook and not come out until I was fluent in ancient greek.

Thank god I'm going into Computer Science to become a game developer, worst case even if I don't get hired by a studio I can still get something greenlit on steam and make a month to month living that way.

Actually worst case is teaching ESL overseas since most programs I'm familiar with only care if you have a University degree, doesn't matter the subject.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Paper Jam Dipper posted:

You hope.

(not to kill aspirations but that's like me saying oh well if I don't get work soon my book I'm writing will get published and I can live off that)

Surprisingly analogous, I was coming from it more from (and to use your analogy) even if say a company doesn't hire you as a writer (Games, Movie Scripts?) you are still capable of writing a novel; and even if no one touches it (as what nearly happened with Tolkien) you are still capable of self publishing. The point I'm sure we both understand is as careers go, there's a degree of autonomy where we can produce something and maybe be compensated.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Mr. Wynand posted:

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I was leaning towards yes but then your second post seems pretty serious...


If you're going for a rewarding and reasonably safe career and end up in game development you have taken a horribly wrong turn somewhere along the line. Game development is about as abusive and bottom-of-the-barrel as you can get while still doing actual programming. It's extremely difficult work that takes a great deal of brains-effort to grasp, has some of the longest hours, fewest vacation days yet also the worst pay and least job security.

There is literally no reason for anyone to go into game development for any reason. It's not like you actually get to "make games" - you don't get to make any calls about it. The calls come down from the design dudes and the producers and you'll just work on a tiny highly technical component that nobody without a programming background will even understand (let alone notice or care about) under hilariously inadequate deadlines, that, at best, if you, against all reason and at great personal cost, manage to meet, will be rewarded with a bonus to the tune of half a paycheque (assuming your project didn't fail for any one of a gazillion reasons you have absolutely no control over) and a swift kick out the door because you were actually hired on contract for this project only and until the execs decide whether or not this franchise/studio has been "blockbuster" enough to keep around for another iteration, you are worth less than dogshit to them. If everything went exceedingly well you may be asked to come back for the next project, possibly for lower pay depending on how salaries have been going in your area. Doesn't that sound just great?

Get your comp-sci degree if you enjoy programming (or just math in general). Use it to do absolutely anything other than game development. Find a cushy job with reasonable hours and work on your amazing zelda sex simulator idea in your spare time, or do the high-burn-out deathmarch thing while actually getting paid lots, saving up some money to some day quit and do your stupid kickstarter.

Source: I worked for Activision as a non-game-programmer doing not-game-programming near the actual game developer dudes, and their life was the living nightmare I describe above.

I agree that this is mostly true in terms of information (regarding the AAA industry anyways) presented but its conclusion "Don't go into game development for any reason" is wrong. I'm going into game development because I'm passionate about games, the direction of the medium as an emerging art form and creating them is a lifelong dream I've been working hard to become well equipped for. The long hours (crunch time), low pay, and sadly, poor job security are most of the time the price of admission to be able to accomplish your life long dream goals.

The game industry as a whole isn't this monolithic desolate soul crushing landscape, the mordor of the game industry only makes up a (possibly large) part of it and I do fully expect much misery and hellish ladder climbing before I get there (if I'm going through the AAA side of things).

I do enjoy programming and I made the right choice and on the right track as that direction goes as being a good programmer is pretty drat important for being a game developer. I regularly participate in my program's Graduate Game Studies labs, read a voracious amount of material (of which the Extra Credits videos are a tiny tiny rose tinted percent of), and regularly working my rear end off.

To clarify, I am not contesting the fact that game development as a career is extremely arduous Herculean difficult feat to accomplish in a satisfying way and everything the post I quoted says is true for much of it; I know, or at least 'recognize on an cognitive level'. I just disagree with the conclusion that one should run the other way and never look back.

Obviously if your point is "don't go into game design if you think its a safe easy job" then I agree and that bit of my post can probably be taken as a form of sarcasm. You do this make this point, which is uncontestable, but then you go into the "for any reason" bit and that just doesn't follow and seems as entirely ancillary.

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jun 7, 2013

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Ah I see, there's a misconception here that's my fault as its 3 AM and I accidentally conflated the two terms, This is actually the correct video so yes I meant game designer. Though while "directly" getting there from programmer may not be the case its a good starting point as any and doesn't pigeon hole me (Because well, a solid Bachalor's in CompSci is good for a good range of technical fields/jobs).

From which then your other suggestions are perfectly reasonable depending on what opportunities present themselves and the choices I make.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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THC posted:

A ceremonial monarch, who enjoys no executive power whatsoever, is definitely preferable to an elected head of state with the ability to target citizens for assassination with zero accountability.

Exactly. here here!

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Nothing unites the rest of canada more than hating on Quebec. All petty regionalism goes out the window when there's a quebec to scoff at. Doesn't matter if you're a yaletown yuppie or an albertan oil worker, it's the one thing that can bring canadians together. Tim Hortons should use it in a disgustingly sentimental ad.

Its hilarious how even Quebecers hate on other Quebecers, some are even self hating! :haw:

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Europe already has its own Canada, its called Denmark. Plus some of us aren't too keen on rushing into the arms of the Eurofailures.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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quaint bucket posted:

You guys need to read Kaiji instead. It is a much higher caliber in terms of mental challenges where a single man overcomes the games of luck and the obstacles placed in his way. We, as a nation, could learn from this fine example of Japanese manga.

:goonsay:

:hfive: although the cube reference is funnier as you have to figure it out.

I always thought Canada's immigration policies were relatively sane, there's a certain number of points you need to accrue and you accrue them by filling out a questionnaire of traits that are ideal and beneficial to Canada, "Do you speak English?" "Do you have a skill?" "Will you have children?" Etc.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Dreylad posted:

I kick myself for not taking some French courses in university, or applying for the Explorer program one summer, just to keep my French fresh. I had the same trouble, although it came back quickly once I moved to Ottawa and Quebec.

And I agree completely about English classes. For a long time I was embarrassed because while I instinctively knew how to write well in English, I couldn't tell you what a subordinate clause was because I never really learned about it in my English classes (albeit briefly here and there). However I learned about it, and every other rule in French grammar, conjugating verbs from here to eternity. And now that I've had to teach basic grammar and writing skills at the university level, I realize how few English-only speakers know the rules and mechanics of grammar anyway.

I wish I had been able to learn French as my part time job prospects wouldn't have been limited to manual labour or dishwashing all this time but I've literally been though almost a decade of French classes (usually with the immigrants, what a lost opportunity that was to make friends) and I'm still more fluent in Japanese than French. :saddowns:

Probably didn't help every class went like this: "I'm going to talk French at him, what, why did he just fall asleep?"

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Rutibex posted:

All commercial advertising should be replaced by public service announcements featuring cancer/amputations and Canadian Heritage Minutes.

I actually love those minutes. :shobon:

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

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Jamie Nichols my MP will be visiting my riding at some sort of exhibit place today for a bunch of hours, I really want to go and talk nerd politics stuff and ask him what will the NDP do to better advance the cause of the proletariat but I actually have a lot of work to do. :(

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