Canadian Politics Megathread: That is simply not Trudeau

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Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Baloogan posted:

Her Royal Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith

Owner of the Best Teeth in the Realm

# ¿ May 30, 2013 23:41

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:12

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

All of the old Lizzie money stays legal tender when she dies, they just start taking it out of circulation on the back-end (read: at the bank), similar to how they took the $2 bill out of circulation.

# ¿ May 31, 2013 15:37

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

I like our system because it mostly works, and there is a very credible theory in political science that having a vacant figurehead as the executive prevents the 'token' presidency from accruing real power during a crisis.

We've had our system of government for about 100 years longer than the current French system, because theirs kept collapsing (and they aren't the only western democracy with that problem). Don't rock the boat without a REALLY loving good reason.

(That said, I'd like to see Senators elected to ten-year terms).

# ¿ May 31, 2013 15:49

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

HookShot posted:

Also in Australia the GG fired the Prime Minister Gough Whitlam back in the 70s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gough_Whitlam

You don't need to go to Australia to find that kind of thing.

But I'll still take the occasional executive-branch chicanery over the very real possibility of flipping out and giving the President the ability to use killer robots to prosecute the Forever War every time some Arabs go 'boo!'

# ¿ May 31, 2013 15:56

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

The King-Byng affair and the Gough Whitlam dismissal are very different. Byng acted entirely properly - he refused to dissolve the House while there was a credible alternative government who could command the confidence of the House. What Kerr did was proactively reach out to the opposition leader and dismiss a sitting PM without that PM having resigned or lost a vote of confidence. One of those two things is fine. The other really, really isn't.

There is actually a very solid argument to be made that what Kerr did was defensible because the Whitlam government was unable to exercise a function that is inherently a Confidence measure.

# ¿ May 31, 2013 16:07

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

THC posted:

I would like my next phone to have better battery life than the iPhone 4 it's replacing

My Nexus 4 has great battery life. :shrug:

# ¿ Jun 4, 2013 01:37

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Lexicon posted:

This is how Vancouver works, at least on the SkyTrain. Or at least, how the SkyTrain used to work - they are putting in fare gates despite the increased revenue projections nowhere near covering the cost of capital for the project

It's going to be an apocalyptic boondoggle. A friend of mine is a transit cop, he says that maaaaaybe one in a hundred people are fare evaders in his experience. So, a 1% increase in fare revenue at an over $100 million cost. :bravo:

# ¿ Jun 4, 2013 19:49

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

JawKnee posted:

Really the only place they need fare gates is on the B-lines that let everyone in the back door.

The passenger demographics of the B-line are, like, 50% fare evaders. You can always tell because there's a giant mob of people waiting for it while the normal 9 is half-empty.

Also, little Filipino ladies are the worst B-line line-cutters in existence. :argh:

# ¿ Jun 4, 2013 19:58

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

mr. unhsib posted:

The NDP response to Quebec banning turbans and headscarves from soccer is...interesting:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/feds-to-quebec-soccer-officials-let-the-children-with-turbans-play-210136331.html?device=mobile

What good is a progressive party that can't come out against kids being barred from playing sports because of hateful intolerance?

gently caress the NDP right now. No excuse for this.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2013 01:21

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Baronjutter posted:

Am I loving crazy or do you actually wear a helmet playing soccer? I thought they meant american foodball, but no, they say "soccer". I've never seen anyone playing soccer in any sort of a helmet or gear. You wear shorts and a t-shirt, that's about it.

Of course you don't wear a helmet. There's no reason here but pure uncut Quebecois racism, and as usual the federal NDP are pandering their hardest.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2013 01:28

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Funkdreamer posted:

poo poo D&D says

Good argument, bro.

# ¿ Jun 5, 2013 23:16

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

sbaldrick posted:

I"m leaving Jim Baird's riding to move to Poilievre riding, I"m sad.

It is an honest tossup for me which of those two picks I found most obnoxious in my time in Ottawa.

# ¿ Jun 6, 2013 20:25

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Whiteycar posted:

I am essentially a semi informed layperson when it comes to parliamentary procedure but what would it take to get fixed election dates and fixed parliamentary sessions implemented.

Nothing major, just passing a normal law.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2013 02:01

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

And the time he called Belinda Stronach a dog.

In his defense, that was pretty much the worst public dumping in Canadian history, rivaled only by Trudeau's wife giving handies in the back of Studio 54.

# ¿ Jun 7, 2013 19:19

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

THC posted:

if you think this has any impact on their ability to win the election.

What exactly do you think leads to incumbent parties getting kicked out of office? Elves? Ancient mummy curses? I find it pretty hilarious how some of you attribute Sauron-like powers to Harper despite the fact we're watching his party slowly unravel before our very eyes.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2013 00:36

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

THC posted:

We are fully two years away from an election. I have absolute faith in their campaign machine which is largely dormant at the moment. Once that gets in gear, all this stuff about Harper losing control over his minions will evaporate overnight.

Also literally nobody cares about this poo poo except political nerds and Ottawa people so I really doubt votes will flip in sufficient numbers to prevent another Conservative win. Moderate, evenhanded Harper is still clearly the best hope to keep socialists and kebekkers out of the PMO and keep taxes low and jobs and prosperity flowing.

This is just... Not true. The amount of bad news the CPC have faced in the last few weeks has led to an unprecedentedly "thick" level of media scrutiny, all on the same themes. Every paper and station in the country are hammering these issues and its starting to bite, because public perception works like that in politics. It takes a relatively long time to change opinions, but when they do they can last a long rear end time (see: Sponsorship Scandal).

This is reflected both in the polling right now, but also in the way the CPC is reacting. They are getting a tsunami of poo poo from their ridings, and some of the backbenchers are getting restless over it (even quitting caucus or publicly taking shots at the leadership). They know this is a serious problem internally, which is why they're attacking the CBC over this latest story. Mainstream political writers like Hebert are musing about Harper quitting over the summer, which is hardly "business as usual".

I understand that some of you are too young to remember the Mulroney collapse and/or don't understand the internal dynamics of the LPC collapse, but this is exactly what it looks like when a long standing majority starts to come apart at the seams. Obviously that depends equally on the caliber of the opposition in the next election, but to pretend like this is no big deal is just flat out wrong. This is how the game goes.

# ¿ Jun 8, 2013 01:07

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Abolishing the Senate is loving dumb and one of those bush league things the NDP puts forward from time to time that makes me wonder if they're ready to govern.

Also, they are totally playing footsie on the Quebec soccer federation issue, and I'm not having it. I'm going to call my MP (Libby) and yell at her over this poo poo.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 17:57

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

DynamicSloth posted:

Why is it bush league?

Because it is both dumb (more in a moment) and simultaneously also effectively impossible both politically and legally. It's like saying "We're gonna do Meech Lake again, only this time worse, and for no reason! :downs:

", and then expecting people to take you seriously.

DynamicSloth posted:

It's the historically precedented move for getting rid of the antiquated upper chamber.

[Canadian historical citation needed]

DynamicSloth posted:

Every Provincial government that had one simply abolished their upper chambers without disastrous results.

The Federal government is not the same as a provincial government. Do you happen to know, oh, say, how many provinces have their own constitutions? I'm guessing not, since if you knew a) the answer or b) why the answer is what it is, you would understand that citing provincial precedent when talking about the Federal example in this case is Class A dumb.

DynamicSloth posted:

The idea of radically changing our Parliamentary system by empowering a second check on direct representation of the people is the dumb idea but I guess everyone just looks with envy at the clusterfuck that is American national politics.

Hiding behind anti-Americanism when you can't be hosed to make a cogent point might win you points with your friends, but it just makes me laugh.

The Senate, right now, today, does good and useful things for the Canadian people. I know this because I've testified before Senate committees, worked with Senators on important issues, and actually arsed myself to learn about what it is and how it works before making GBS threads all over myself in public on the topic. Now, granted, it's also horrifically corrupt, hamstrung, and outdated, but that right there is a case for reform rather than abolition. Coincidentally, reform is the thing that is actually possible without a constitutional amendment and a nearly-guaranteed court challenge.

DynamicSloth posted:

It's pretty relevant to the Federal Green Party and their policies.

I give no fucks what the Neoliberal Kook Brigade thinks on any topic whatsoever.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 20:37

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

There is no meaningful reform of the Senate that can be done wihtout a constitutional amendment and a nearly-guaranteed court challenge. Better accounting and control of senators' expenses isn't senate reform.

The constitutional issues of making it elected are a lot more constrained than the ones required to eliminate it altogether. You are correct that both require opening the Constitution Act, but I don't think you can say with a straight face that abolition is 'easier' in legal or constitutional terms than alteration of some kind. I mean, legally speaking, the former only requires addressing one line of the Act, and the latter requires rewriting the entire thing. Plus the court challenge will come on the basis of some provinces losing representation they currently have, equal or not. It'd be a total gongshow.

BGrifter posted:

Could you give a few specific examples? It gets thrown out a lot as something proponents of the Senate feel to be completely uncontroversial, but I rarely hear "the Senate did this thing, this thing and this good thing in the last year". Not trying to imply those examples don't exist, just don't seem to hear specifics about the good things the Senate does.

I listed some earlier in this thread, but the big one in recent years was the Senate taking the lead on Visa and Mastercard attempting to destroy Interac by stealth, and dramatically increase the costs of credit and debit cards for merchants. Without Senator Ringuette making that her personal hobby horse and the Senate holding hearings, none of that would have gotten any attention and the banks and Visa/MC would be once again loving the Canadian public over.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 21:24

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Alctel posted:

Making the Senate elected kind of misses the point of the thing entirely.

I would be down with term limits though

I want them elected to, like, ten year terms, because I agree that that's 'the point'.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 21:26

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Alctel posted:

Why have them elected though?

Because appointing them still gives the PMO the ability to reward cronies who will be loyal to the party. I want people who are semi-independent, insulated from the day to day political cycle, and willing to gut the poo poo out of bad bills, or hold hearings nobody else has the stomach for.

I heard a more cogent defense of extending EI benefits at the height of the recession from CCPA rep speaking to a Senate committee than you will ever hear in the House from anybody.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 21:30

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Funkdreamer posted:

Alice Funke had a constitutional expert on her blog a few days ago arguing that it's far easier both politically and legally than you're suggesting. He was part of Meech Lake and thinks the two cases are nothing alike.

http://www.punditsguide.ca/2013/06/guest-post-senate-abolition-as-a-matter-of-law-and-politics/

I was going to write an effortpost on how wrong this guy is and how it's stupid to say "Some premiers talk poo poo about the Senate, ergo a constitutional convention would be easy!", but somebody already did it three posts into the comments section. So: what that guy said.

Edit: The only thing I agree with that Ian White guy on is that getting the political consensus/capital needed to abolish is likely easier than for reform, because you're just trying to catch lightning in a bottle of Joe Q. Public's rage rather than hammer out the details of an elected Senate through lengthy negotiations and sausage-making. I still think the court challenges are way harder in the opposite direction, though, nevermind the amending formula issues etc.

Franks Happy Place fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jun 11, 2013

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 22:02

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Hagborn posted:

I like how you've drawn a fuctional parallel between "why have them elected" and "elect them to 10 year terms"

Peasant culture from that terrible strain of Tory Leftism that infests Canadian politics. But do tell us again how awe-inspired you were by the great work done by our chamber of Sober Second Thought

Is this even English? Did you forget your medication?

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 22:28

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

HappyHippo posted:

What do you think of having appointed senators approved by the house, either by simple majority or a super majority?

If it was a supermajority, or even a secret ballot, I'd be fine with it. A simple whip vote would be the same as PMO deciding.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 22:31

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Hagborn posted:

Gosh I guess I was just so floored by the bizarre naivete of statements like this:

You don't seem to understand that this sort of access is directly proportional to the body's ineffectiveness. But hey, I'm sure when we legitimize and expand the powers of the Senate, the Conservative and Liberal Senate caucuses will be happy to hear the CCPA bleat on! Who needs the House NDP caucus!

OK, I'll bite one last time: you do realize that in an elected senate of some kind, the NDP would have senators, right? So why is it just Conservative and Liberal Senate caucuses making these decisions? Your entire post is based on a premise that basic logic would show to be false. The Bloc would have Senators, the NDP- everybody who currently gets votes in the House.

Also, you haven't demonstrated anything whatsoever to show that a Senate elected to long terms, i.e. democratic but countercyclical politically speaking, would stop being a good place for less hot-button issues to get heard. All you've done is post like a crazy rear end in a top hat with a tenuous grip on the English language, and make assertions. So congratulations for that I guess, but I'm probably just putting you on ignore now.

Blade_of_tyshalle posted:

I judge the fitness of Senators-elect by, well, their fitness.

If you can't look good in an orange and silver jumpsuit while racing for your freedom through a desolate hellscape (Scarborough), you don't get appointed to the Red Chamber. You get hacked into pieces by a man covered in chainsaws, or perhaps an opera singer wearing Christmas lights.

Well, you certainly solved the Duffy problem, I'll give you that much.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 23:09

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

BGrifter posted:

I don't have the time for an in depth response but thanks for the article Vyelkin and the example Fine. It's always been a little strange to me that people would talk about "all the good work the Senate does" but were so stingy with specifics. You'd think at a time like this every member of the Senate would be shouting from the rooftops about every halfway decent thing they ever did.

They don't have to because they're unelected, so the ones who DO care about doing a good job just stick to their little bubble universe and push their papers around, while the Duffies of the world don't give a poo poo either way and don't need your approval.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 23:13

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Yeah, I get the pre-application waiting time (you know, make sure a person is Super Serial about it, etc.), but once the waiting time has been met it shouldn't take more time than it does to get your passport renewed.

My wife's waiting right now, it's ridiculous.

# ¿ Jun 11, 2013 23:37

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

eXXon posted:

A fellow student in my department got his citizenship application rejected recently. He's in the 6th year of a PhD and has been living in Toronto the entire time, giving public talks and doing all of his work in English, so it's not like he spent the entire time squirreled away somewhere without learning English grammar. The reason for the rejection was 'insufficient adaptability'

Is he brown? I bet he's brown.

# ¿ Jun 12, 2013 00:03

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Kafka Esq. posted:

In another Twitter catch, Judith Baxter is a Harper Government appointee to the Canadian Museum of Civilization board. She's also probably the source behind the letter to Trudeau about charity speaking fees.

edit: Seems iPolitics is on the case.

The second that "story" came out I immediately knew that whoever issued the complaint had to be a CPC bagman of some kind.

# ¿ Jun 17, 2013 17:14

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Also, do you really think deploying the Army to a reserve would play well with... anybody? I mean, come on.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2013 21:18

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Paper Jam Dipper posted:

Dickbutt Goatse is a great name for a mayor. Almost sounds like an Italian last name if you say it fast enough.

Dick Bugosi?

Mayor Bugosi has left this city wide open to criminals and terrorists!

# ¿ Jun 25, 2013 20:29

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

I want to run in Aylmer on a campaign of Harper-esque lies and misinformation.

We'll call it the Aylmer F.U.D.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 16:47

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Dallan Invictus posted:

For those of you not mooting running in 2015, the Twitter Press Gallery is reporting that the Senate has amended the Tory union disclosure bill C-377 and sent it back to the House. Senator Segal, no friend of the bill, got enough of his fellow Tories to vote yes on his amendments to narrow the bill's requirements - the Globe has details here if you haven't hit your paywall limit this month yet.

So, yaknow, good news from the Red Chamber for once (or UNELECTED STOOGES SUBVERTING THE WILL OF PARLIAMENT , your choice.)

This is exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about when I said the Senate is still worth keeping, by the way.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 17:58

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

If you're going to be making the utilitarian argument, you need to own the bad as well as the good. The Senate is also responsible for killing the climate change accountability act, which, by itself, is a Much Bigger Deal than union disclosure regulations, and probably than every single other thing the Senate has done in the last decade combined.

If your standard for "Should this legislative body be eliminated?" is because sometimes it does lovely things, we wouldn't have a Parliament at all. The Senate is still a political body and is currently controlled by Conservatives; of course they're going to play politics with the stuff they get. In fact, the Senate is a great place to kill bills you don't want to have pass, but also don't want to vote against in the House.

The point here is simply that sometimes flawed bills leave the House, and that the Senate is a great place to clean them up.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 18:24

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

My standard is "is this legislative body democratic and accountable?" You're the one who implied that the Senate should be kept around because it does good things sometimes, but the balance of the Senate's activity is very, very deep in the red column, and by that standard it should be abolished.

Hey, maybe if you squint and concentrate really hard, you can see how the first sentence of this post completely, 100% contradicts the second?

To clarify, you said, "The Senate is bad because it once killed a bill I like".

I said, the House kills lots of bills all the loving time, so what?

Now you're saying the standard is "democratic and accountable", which is great and something I would 100% endorse... except it has nothing at all to do with killing bills or doing a good job digesting legislation.

Franks Happy Place fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jun 26, 2013

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 18:30

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Pinterest Mom posted:

And, obviously, you don't endorse the "democratic and accountable" standard, because you like the Senate.

I like that we have two legislative bodies because one is full of gigantic manchildren baboons that don't know poo poo about poo poo and let PMO micromanage the nation to a terrifying degree, yes. However, pretending like that's an endorsement of the current Senate when I've been on the record multiple goddamned times in this very thread saying I'd prefer they were elected on a counter-cyclical basis and were subject to the same ethics rules as the House, though, is a wee bit of a straw man.

A week ago or so, some people asked me to list off things the Senate did that were good, so I took the opportunity to say "This is what I was talking about", because today's events are basically the best-case scenario for demonstrating the practical use of a chamber of Sober Second Thought. That's pretty simple, no?

DynamicSloth posted:

That's pretty much always been the standard of people who object to the Senate since day one don't pretend like it's is the first time you've heard the objection that submitting to rule by unelected patricians is ridiculous in the 21st century, it's just also worth bringing up that our Senate is massively corrupt and kills important, democratically mandated legislation like the climate change and transgender rights bills.

Well the Supreme Court is unelected too, and the House is just as corrupt as the Senate, so we'd better abolish those as well. All Praise Emperor Steve I, First of His Name, King of the Calgarians and the Northmen.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 19:07

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

mr. unhsib posted:

Disagree that electing the Senate is easier than abolishing it, and disagree that electing the Senate is also more radical than abolishing it.

Forget it, Jake, it's the ~~Canada~~ NDP Partisan Thread.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2013 22:34

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Paper Jam Dipper posted:

Corn on the Cob Trident.

I assumed it was a pearl dildo.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2013 18:36

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Paper Mac posted:

Those pots and jars of bolts sure do look menacing.

I really hope this isn't dumb sarcasm, considering what "some pots and bolts" accomplished in Boston.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2013 20:12

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 07:12

Franks Happy Place: Mar 15, 2011; It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the dank of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by weed alone I set my mind in motion.

Wreck Beach is part of the UBC unincorporated lands and therefore falls under (awful terrible no good) RCMP jurisdiction.

# ¿ Jul 9, 2013 03:06

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > Canadian Politics Megathread: That is simply not Trudeau

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