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Dec 10, 2011

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Daysvala posted:

I'm actually really looking forward to this. I think the worst thing about Season 7 for me was everything to do with Hannah Mckay. I just couldn't stand how she was obvious fanservice, or how the writers rehashed the 'she's the only one who can truly understand my dark self' plot for the third or fourth time, or how it turned out she really did poison Debra even though that was an incredibly obvious and dumb 'plot twist'...

She's back this year.

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Junkfist posted:

Indeed. Much has changed in the years that ha-



Much has changed between now and then. Just not the jokes.

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lifts cats over head posted:

I think the actress who plays the doctor must have worked out a deal in her contract where she gets paid each time she says "psychopaths". As a viewer am I suppose to know she is an expert on psychopaths? What are psychopaths like? Are there psychopaths here? Are there psychopaths there? Psychopaths.

It's Charlotte Rampling. Go watch The Night Porter, y'drat philistine.

Also, you'd be amazed by how often people with qualifications in behavioural studies use buzzwords. My headmaster at school used "maladjusted" more than I believe to be healthy.

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Junkfist posted:

Meanwhile, in the alternate timeline:



Isaak Sirkbro and James Broakes.

Showtime need to start planning a show starring these three actors. I don't care if it's a gay porn sitcom, I'd still watch.

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escape artist posted:

You say gay porn like it's a bad thing :colbert:

I say it like it's not my thing. So long as everyone's legal and willing, porn isn't morally right or wrong.

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Bigass Moth posted:

Aside from bad writing, in the beginning of the series Dexter shied away from sex with Rita, but over the last few seasons he's hooked up with randoms multiple times. I wonder what changed?

The early seasons hewed more closely to the books. In the first book, Dexter notes that women somehow seem to sense what he is after he has sex with them and break up with him at that point. He thinks Rita is his perfect woman because she provides the complete family cover while simultaneously being very wary of becoming intimate with a man after her failed marriage.

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wordsauce posted:

Dexter totally ripped this storyline off of Knots Landing. Except on Knots Landing it was hearts and not brains.

Hearts and minds, then?

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massive spider posted:

Woah nice going there we almost hit a plot development good thing we managed to swerve and miss it.

Next episode preview looks interesting at least, blink and miss it spoiler from the screengrab http://imgur.com/2bAMf99

Also, my season twist speculation: brainlady treated Brian.

I don't think so.

Vogel's document on Dexter in that screengrab says he's Subject 0. That suggests Dexter was the first time she found a controllable psychopath. I think we're going to find that Vogel has created a number of serial killers in failed attempts to produce another Dexter. Brian wouldn't be one of them, though; he was older than Dexter by a good five years, so he would already have been 21 and out of care before Dexter had proven the Code worked.

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Blotto Battalion posted:

Maybe Dr. Brainlady also has a psychotic evil brother like her own Brian. Except he's her twin and he will be played by John Noble.

John Noble is too busy plotting the demise of Anthony Hopkins.

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Binary Logic posted:

Dexter's reasoning really didn't make sense to me: "There's no way someone who eats brains would take a tiny little teaspoon sized sample and deliver it to Doctor Brainlady, he wants that brain all for himself".
Maybe that could be rational if the guy was 300 pounds but he was trim and fit and obviously had no problem controlling his appetite. I don't know, that bothered me.

It's not irrational. Dexter knows the importance of routine to psychopaths, and this doesn't fit the Brain Scoop Killer's routine. Fitness Guy cuts up his victims and stores them carefully. The BSK leaves his victims intact apart from the trophy he takes, even to replacing the trepanned section of the skull.

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hellbastard posted:

I don't think he gave her confession juice, I just think he's doping her to keep her around. It's like a really slow date rape drug that takes weeks.

Why the Christ would he need to dope her to keep her at her job?

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Dec 10, 2011

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^^^ I read it as Elway having seen the exact same thing in his employees before on any number of occasions. Hell, he probably keeps the stuff in his drawer because he's had to work after a night on the tiles a few times.

Binary Logic posted:

But someone obsessed with braaaiiinnns could do both things.
Dexter is a psychopath but doesn't have one routine; he kills serial killers, and he also kills people who piss him off. Deb kills to protect her brother, and also kills just for the motherfucking gently caress of it.

Dexter may kill people who piss him off without compunction, but he doesn't do it as part of his ritual and it doesn't satisfy his urge. You are talking about a serial killer developing two different modus operandi.

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origami posted:

The actor playing Elway is well known so I'm assuming he has something to do with the brainscooper plot. He is also a black belt in bjj so I am hoping there will be a scene with Dexter where they go for terrible leg locks.

I didn't know they offered grading belts in blow jobs. :confused:

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Me in Reverse posted:

TWELVE. TWELVE more loving episodes.

The big bad of the season will be Count Von Count. Ah ah ah ah ah!

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asciidic posted:

I wonder how Head Harry is going to react to the incest scene.

He already killed himself, it really can't go much further.

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Rupert Buttermilk posted:

At this point (actually, since way back in 501), I wish this show was about Brian.

Read Double Dexter, then. It's funny as hell.

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escape artist posted:

Astor pushes him into the water, where a shark eats him.

I also love how he just calls up Brian for a favor. "Yeah bro, I am being watched, can you kill this dude for me?"

The best bit is that Brian kills the wrong guy by mistake.

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You gotta believe Jeff Lindsay is just trolling at this point because he knows the books are gonna sell because of the series. I mean only two books were out at the time of the series right? Now there's like 6 or 7.

Seventh book is out next month.

Lindsay has said of the show that the writers keep trying to one-up him, and it obviously annoys him. In the books Dexter at least has to consider the fallout from his actions because he has a family. The show writers killed Rita and put Cody and Astor on the bus so that they could write The Wacky Adventures of Dexter Morgan without worrying about such things.

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syndex posted:

I stopped after the third book because it was just so silly and could really never get back into the series.


Don't worry, you have authorial permission to ignore book 3. He does.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Junkfist posted:

Every once in a while I like to breeze through the debster tag on tumblr just to see what they have to say about an episo-

"Guys, guys, I went to the Mecca for bronies, 'shippers and people who don't meet the social standards of Reddit and they said something terrible! :byodood:"

What the hell did you expect from Tumblr?

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escape artist posted:

So a 100 pound blonde can carry a 200+ pound muscular man?

No, it's still not working. Unless she had a loving dolly or something.

She might have given him something that woozed him to the point she could lead him by the hand to her van before he passed out, I suppose. Dumping him is easy.

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DaisyDanger posted:

Deb's new boss.

The guy who has "ELWAY" written on his office wall in letters two feet high, in case you're still not sure who we mean.

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Junkfist posted:

Man that movie was weird and creepy.

It was the first 15-rated movie I saw in the cinema. Ah, the nostalgic times when you could check into a commercial air flight carrying a three foot iron weathervane.

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suztan posted:

She, along with Anhell's ex-wife, ended up being shipped off to their home planet. They hang out with Rita's kids and their cool babysitter Lumen.

You know what the most irritating thing about Darth Dexter is? They didn't need to create a new character because they already had this loving plot available to them through Astor and Cody. And given the timeline has jumped several years with Harrison, Cody will be about 13 now and Astor 16 - roughly the age Dexter was when Harry started teaching him. How much better would this plot be if Dexter was teaching his own teenage kids the Code in the full knowledge that he'll have to kill them if it doesn't work?

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AgentJotun posted:

Brainlady sure did make a big rear end casserole for herself. Handy in case 3 guests just decide to stop over.

You do make casserole in job lots. Take what you need, freeze the rest for later.

Rant about the rest, though.

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Paradox Personified posted:

We have. You know the writers. Coming in to say don't watch the previews, it gives it away.

I don't watch the previews, but didn't the end of the last episode pretty much tell us that it was Dr Vogel?

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scary ghost dog posted:

I'm still laughing about that guy who thought Hannibal might have too much plot armor and might end up like Dexter, effortlessly shrugging off police investigations with no fear of getting caught. Amazing.

Except he's completely right, up to a point. Hannibal has absolute plot armour against every investigation other than Will Graham's.

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Happy_Misanthrope posted:

The show takes place mid 2014 and she's still running XP.

As are 70% of the more than 500 PCs in my building. We only started the Win 7 rollout last year and it's being done on an "upgrade with replacement hardware" basis, so we won't have everyone off XP until at least 2016.

And stop dissing Mama Cass Elliott. :crossarms:

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Entropic posted:

If you've watched the Dexter episode for the week but not BB, you don't deserve protection from spoilers.

Except some of us are waiting for Breaking Bad to finish its run before watching it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Then that's a risk you're taking on yourself. Breaking Bad is a really loving popular show and ending on a high note from all I keep reading. Everyone is talking about it everywhere. Sunday nights my FB feed is basically the BB liveposting thread. If you are waiting and don't want it spoiled you'll pretty much have to leave the Internet.

I haven't seen a single Breaking Bad spoiler anywhere outside this thread, so I think it's more your problem than mine.

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Rupert Buttermilk posted:

It's nice to see the backlash from this horrible season start to grow outside of this thread. I'd say, judging by a quick look at the comments of one of the last FB posts, maybe 60% of the comments are negative.

I would pay to hear the writers and/or Buck actually admit how bad all of this is.

I am surviving because the new novel will be with me on Thursday, and I get to read about an actual psychopath called Dexter who actually kills people while teaching his actual stepchildren to follow the Code. It is also very likely that something funny will happen in the book, and possible that Dexter will be caught.

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squarerandom posted:

Haha I brought it up a while ago, because you know Anhell had depth; broken family, wants to still provide for them, make his daughter proud. And then he goes into midlife crisis and smokes pot and now he's just there. This show is just soooo bad with development, especially out of the main goddamn character.

It's more that the latest crop of writers have reversed any kind of development that the characters had had in the past, including that which they added themselves. They don't seem to have figured out that audiences are more demanding these days and you can't just push the reset button.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Oh, satanfucking bastardhitlers - the Dexter book has been put back a week. Tell me there's not another episode this weekend, please.

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CaptainHollywood posted:

No episode this weekend.

You're lying, aren't you?

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13/f/cali posted:

His initial reason for wanting to kill Trinity himself was because he believed Trinity was the one who shot Debra and so he was trying to get revenge. Then things got complicated for him when he decided he might be able to learn a lesson from Trinity.

In season 5 he took out the barrel girls culprits because he took it upon himself to help Lumen.

In season 6 he went after Travis himself instead of just having Miami Metro arrest him because

If the show was better written this would be a plus point, as Dexter would be escalating. Eventually he would outstrip the Code and be caught.

Unfortunately we have Buck, and he's here to gently caress - up the show.

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origami manatee posted:

For me season 5 was the worst of the entire show. I think it was a mix of coming right off the Good Seasons and attempting to have a serious subject matter (rather than ridiculous Ukrainian mobs and Colin Hanks sacrificing people during eclipses) that made it just a joyless trainwreck.

I remember thinking that season 3 was half boring filler with Dexter going to Miguel's dinner parties but it all sort of kind of came together by the end. Season 4 was hilarious because it had one out of the blue completely unrelated episode about a neighbourhood vandal or whatever and eleven episodes of solid plot that went completely crazy every two episodes. Old guy getting shot, shut up oval office, hi dad, hello Dexter Morgan. Man I loved it when season 4 kept one-upping itself :allears:

Nah, season 5 was as good as season 3. It was watchable. S6 I quite enjoyed for the scale of atrocity, S7 started off well but dragged at the end, S8 is terrible.

Plotwise it would all work, if only things were in a different order (and better written, of course). Have Deb catching Dexter with Jonny Lee Miller's body at the end of S5 - it still being Lumen who killed him. Deb can't handle what Dexter does and turns to drinking, so you introduce Vogel a couple of episodes into S6 to reconcile Deb to the Code while the Sirko plot goes on in the background. Zach turns up towards the end and the season finishes with Dexter taking on his new apprentice.

S7: the Wrath of God Killer appears and it gives the appearance that Olmos and Hanks are paralleling Dexter and Zach, then we find out that they're really analogous to Harry and Dexter. Quinn sees the Dexter Satan Mural and gets suspicious, ultimately finding enough circumstantial connections to link Dexter to the BHB murders. Quinn takes what he knows to Laguerta, who finds Doakes's suspicions correlated and goes looking for Dexter. She finds him in the act; Deb catches up and kills her as per the show.

S8: Quinn is now sure Dexter is a serial killer, but because he's a fuckup nobody will devote time to it and he needs more evidence anyway. Meanwhile, Dexter is planning to flee Miami in the wake of Laguerta's murder. Vogel returns to tell Dexter about the Brain Surgeon and calls in the favour he owes her for helping Deb. Dexter can't refuse because if Vogel is killed someone might find out he was her patient. The last season becomes a race against time as Dexter tries to find and kill the Brain Surgeon before Quinn finally manages to pin the murders on him.

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morcant posted:

I thought about the "grab a crayon and scribble this down" line and laughed a little bit. Then I started thinking about the crime scene Doakes was talking about, how it was visually striking with red string in a white room with blood everywhere. I know it's dumb to say this, but gently caress me when was the last time Dexter was at a crime scene?

We've had a crime scene with string this season. Dexter just isn't a blood spatter analyst any more, that's what the writers forgot.

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Just started reading Dexter's Final Cut, and I think Jeff Lindsay must watch the show and think very much of it as we do. It's about a cable TV network coming to Miami to shoot the pilot of a show about a brother/sister cop team - he's a forensics wizard and she's a tough detective.

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Hobo Clown posted:

I've only read the first book, and I couldn't really get into it. I think it was mostly because I'd seen the first season of the show already so the whole "Is Dexter actually the Ice Truck Killer without realizing it" plot was kinda ruined.

Do they get any better? If some are good and some are bad, is anything lost if I skip some or read them out of order?

Book 1: great.
Book 2: nearly as great.
Book 3: ... weird.
Book 4: good.
Book 5: well, I liked it.
Book 6: hilarious.

Book 7 is so far also hilarious.

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Hobo Clown posted:

Is that a good hilarious? Or an "Age-Progession Software" hilarious?

Good hilarious. Dexter's being followed around by the actor who'll basically be playing him in the show, an obnoxious Method actor who is trying to copy all Dexter's mannerisms. Dexter's internal monologue just keeps getting more and more irritated until by the end of the first week he can't stop thinking about duct tape.

E: Even the author has admitted that the concept of the Dark Passenger being real was misguided. With the exception of Dexter discovering that Cody and Astor are both damaged in the same way he is, Dexter in the Dark does not exist in continuity.

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regulargonzalez posted:

How does that work? Like, Hollywood discovers Dexter's a serial killer, the world is fine with it and sends an actor out to learn how to kill? That sounds weird. Does Miami P.D. have a problem with Dexter being a serial killer on the loose?

You're misreading me profoundly. The actor is playing a forensics expert and is impersonating Dexter's public life. Nobody has any idea that he's a killer.

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