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Someone asked earlier how this game compared to the first Payday and the best and most succinct way I could describe it is that Payday 2 makes Payday 1 seem like a proof of concept. Really, Payday 2 improves on every single aspect of Payday 1 and adds much more depth.
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dreffen posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGXXwxguJE I appreciate what they're going for, but that is not a good trailer for this game.
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Aug 13, 2013 08:11
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Steam store posted:Available: 13 August 2013 Please be correct. Please be correct. Please be correct.
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Aug 13, 2013 09:01
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Pryor on Fire posted:I'm really interested in the ghost stuff now that everyone has dismissed it as terrible and useless. Any redeeming qualities at all? I always love the most broken/useless classes in games like this for some horrible reason. The ability to bag corpses looks pretty good for stealth, but if you have a full and competent crew, it's unnecessary. As soon as I learned about stealth and the ghost class, I knew instantly that I would be a ghost, but sadly, the ghost tree is really, really underwhelming. Now I'm mastermind with a few ghost skills. The mastermind it better at stealthing than the ghost. e: I'd say that if you plan on soloing a lot, maybe the ghost tree becomes a little more appealing but even still...
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Aug 13, 2013 09:55
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IT'S RELEASED!
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Aug 13, 2013 10:00
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Well, this is fun.
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Aug 13, 2013 10:09
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Guess their download servers are getting flooded, so most people are stuck at waiting and the ETA predictor is just randomly making poo poo up. Business as usual. Pretty great seeing person after person on your friends list starting up the game when the download is just sitting there doing nothing at all and when it does download (for 20 seconds at a time) you get 200kb a second.
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Aug 13, 2013 10:14
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versus posted:I changed my download server and it's going much more quickly. Or maybe the speed increase was entirely coincidental. I've done that three times. game just sits there and won't download. I've been using Steam since HL2 and this has never happened.
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Aug 13, 2013 10:18
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Pryor on Fire posted:Yeah game just crashes on card selection, so I have to Ctrl Alt Del it and restart after each mission. At least I get to keep my money. Seems to be happening to a lot of people. Not sure if it's EVERYONE yet but how does this even happen, especially from a game that had a huge 2+ week beta where this wasn't a problem? No excuse for it, really.
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Aug 13, 2013 10:52
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Protip: Current version of the full game is a buggy piece of poo poo frequently crashing after heists, RIGHT before it saves your progress. It's advised you wait for a patch before playing unless you don't mind losing a bunch of progress. Also, look forward to hostages randomly running into your gunfire and ending up with less money than you started with. Yes, they never did do anything about that.
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Aug 13, 2013 12:03
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The Mash posted:Well you can at least tie the hostages down to get around that Yeah, well, about that: They nerfed the extra cableties skill. Now you only get 5. Mr Scumbag fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Aug 13, 2013 |
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Aug 13, 2013 12:45
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Bolow posted:Unless you're going solo you hardly ever need nearly 20 ties between 4 people. Unless you're trying to zip tie the entire nightclub Then why nerf the amount?
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Aug 13, 2013 12:54
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Moochewmoo posted:I know nothing about steam groups, but I made one anyways. Join up, find Goons, make money. There's already a group. And a thread. They are in the OP.
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Aug 13, 2013 12:59
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Swagman posted:Curious as to whats causing the game to apply red and blue lines around objects like some sort of anti aliasing error. Those lines are a result of a stylistic choice for the visuals known as "chromatic aberration". It looks weird at first because it's extremely rarely done in games outside of fan made injectors but I personally really like it. It gives the game a really vivid, authentic visual style.
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Aug 14, 2013 06:34
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After playing beta a lot and playing release up to lvl 30 I have only once run into a lovely team of pubbies. Every other match has straight up been friendly, competent and fun. And even mostly use mics! (I also play exclusively on Overkill or very Hard) I have to assume there's quite a bit of hyperbole and elitism in the "gently caress pubbies, Goon superiority" posts, but then again it could be a reporting bias and the vast majority are getting good pubbies and don't have reason to complain? I dunno, I don't seem to see a huge problem that others are saying there is, but I tend to find the "pubbie problem" is usually greatly exaggerated anyway - there's no reason to believe that being able to spend $10 on a forum account makes someone a more competent player anyway.
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Aug 14, 2013 10:27
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The Mash posted:To anyone who's missed it or is just starting out: Overkill Ukraine is by a mile the best thing you can do for XP and money. Once you get a Tech up to Shaped Charges, you can do a run in 40 seconds (35 if you're fast), it's soloable and you get 80-90k cash and 20k-25k experience per run. This is most definitely true. A lot of people don't like "grinding" the same missions, but this is hands down the best way to level and a great way to earn some cash. Even if you just run in and drill the safe, it's extremely easy to hunker down and escape with the loot, since you don't have to go back and forth for bags. I'd be kind of surprised if they don't do something to make it harder, cause it downright trivializes early leveling.
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Aug 14, 2013 11:15
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If they released the game before it was complete (and it seems that is the case, at least to some extent) it was probably a wise move, actually. If they hadn't gotten it out pretty soon, it would have been eclipsed by Saints Row, GTA V, New console launches, Watchdogs and any number of big name and small name releases between now and the end of the year. In another week, gaming is gonna start getting VERY busy again, and honestly, the game's fun as hell in its current state and it's kind good they'll be adding content gradually. It will make it harder to burn out or to "see everything" and get bored.
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Aug 15, 2013 10:14
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Those of you who have used shotguns, which shotgun in primary/secondary would be the best to get? I'm a mastermind, if that helps, and I really want to try rolling with a shotgun in secondary and would appreciate some advice so I don't waste cash on a dud.
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Aug 16, 2013 06:26
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So, Pro Job Ukrainian on very hard. We all make it back to the van, ready to go. Two of us in the van, other guy beside it. Third guy is standing at the back. "How do I get in????" Two heavies come up behind him while he's trying to figure out "how to van". Kill us all. Well, at least I have now experienced the worst possible fuckup. It's all uphill from here.
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Aug 16, 2013 11:12
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Me and a buddy are planning on playing for at least a few hours. We would really love a couple more! http://steamcommunity.com/id/mr_scumbag
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Aug 16, 2013 11:45
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I think they should up the droprate of mask stuff. I already have every gun I'll ever want to use and almost all of them are fully upgraded. I also have all the skills I want. Now I just hoard cash and wait for something that looks decent on a mask or a new mask design. The problem is that most mask designs look like poo poo. I'm still running with the default masks cause it's so rare to find anything for masks at all. I also feel like the cash to exp is poorly balanced. At one point I remember having 13 skill points and not enough cash to hit the next tier of the tree, and this was before I had bought a single weapon. Edit: New update just started downloading on Steam. Mr Scumbag fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Aug 17, 2013 |
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Aug 17, 2013 12:01
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Up until now I've had virtually nothing but good times with pubbies but today everything seems to have gone to poo poo. If you're not running 40s Ukraine OK people either leave or get really lovely with you. I had the audacity to start a Watchdogs run and two people left the game. The Ukraine runs are also making it really hard to tell if that lvl 50 dude can actually do anything effectively besides grab some jewelry and run. Once I finally did have a group for Watchdogs everyone was constantly running into fire and dying while one of them chastised everyone for being poo poo, despite the fact that he was the guy who was impatient and kept running straight into everything. Everything was so great up until now. I'm really struggling to get a competent group together. E: I should add that none of that Watchdogs group would ready uo until I bought the sniper asset. They still all died and failed the mission. It's normally a cakewalk with a competent group.
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Aug 18, 2013 07:00
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With Pistol Messiah aced, you get three charges. What happens when you use them all up? Do you only get one more after getting out of custody or do you get all three back?
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Aug 18, 2013 07:59
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Good luck using the MM skill to yell at someone to help them up if there is any enemies even in the rough vicinity. All you do is yell at everyone to surrender and there isn't a drat thing you can do to help your buddy. Wish I had've known that before wasting over a mil and 12 skill points.
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Aug 18, 2013 08:12
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The White Dragon posted:It's not that much of a waste; the idea behind Dominator is that it's used either to stealth guards before a heist or to get emergency hostages once you're busted. It is absolutely not for getting individual cops to surrender during assaults (though now it's possible to get them to surrender during one, domination attempts straight-up failed during assaults in Payday 1). It has amazing utility, so please don't write it off as some lovely fluke skill you wish you hadn't taken--your teammates who end up in custody will be so happy you did on those no-civvie jobs like Rats. I was referring to the "yell-to-help-up" skill. It's pretty useless unless there's no enemies near the downed guy and if that's the case, you can just help him up anyway.
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Aug 18, 2013 08:19
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Tokubetsu posted:You guys hating on Ukranian job is hurting on my spirit. Some of us are at almost 24 hours played with nothing weapon mod wise to show for it okay? On the other hand I've got more masks than what to do with. Exact opposite here. Aside from one scope, I have no need for weapon mods at all. I'm just hoping I get two of each soon so then only mask and cash will drop. Mostly cash though, I bet. Mask drops have been rare as hell for me until today, I got a few, somehow. I'm lvl 54 and still haven't made a mask though because all the designs I have look like poo poo.
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Aug 18, 2013 10:29
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Which scope is the best for throwing on the M308?
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Aug 19, 2013 09:39
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hyung posted:Turns out the Combat Medic Ace perk for the Mastermind is worthless on Overkill difficulties, because you will always revive your crew at 25% health. I've found that quite a few mastermind perks are nowhere near as good as they sound on paper. They could be fixed but as it is a few of them actually conflict with each other in practice. As such I'm planning on respeccing to enforcer. Seems to be the class most immune to lovely teammates anyway.
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Aug 20, 2013 05:49
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Liberatore posted:On paper, Combat Medic sounds bad. A 15% boost is practically nothing, especially when a Mastermind has ample supply of doctor bags and instant revives. Specifically, domination conflicts in the worst way with the skill to yell at your buddies to help them up. Most of the time you'll yell at enemies not even near him to surrender while he lays there and you get shot. The skill to revive yourself with a pistol kill I have found rarely useful since by the time I can start shooting while I'm downed people have killed all nearby enemies. I have a few more gripes but I'm not home and would have to look at the skill tree to see. I do know that the first two tiers have some useful stuff but the same goes for other classes and many of those skills are must have for everyone. E: 2 days ago I would have agreed with you about it being the best tree, easily, but after being so disappointed with the top tier skills and growing tired of stealth so fast, you can see why I'm considering enforcer and a few early tiers of everything else. Like I said though, the problems I have are fixable. Mr Scumbag fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Aug 20, 2013 |
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Aug 20, 2013 06:17
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Red Mundus posted:I find tech trees to be the most useful. Tripmines are surprisingly useful for denying enemies space and shaped charges are insanely useful for cutting down on time and getting to objectives. Bulletproof is just the cherry on top. I agree. Once I'm capped I think I'll be enforcer and tech. I temporarily went tech for a while and C4 and mines are incredibly useful. They make bulldozers and shields look like a joke if you know what you're doing. As for my problems with the various revival skills, I've found that with a good team I don't even need to lay down a medkit let alone help someone up, so that's another reason to bail on mastermind. If I run into a lovely team I'll quit. Better than struggling through a lovely build that costs a whole bunch of points in top tier.
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Aug 20, 2013 06:41
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Well, I specced from mastermind to enforcer and I'm running with two shotguns or saw/shotgun and it's incredible. I doubt I'll ever go back. Once I have enough points I'll go for tech C4 and armour bonus. All said, it should be a great all-purpose build with the bonus of being good for speedruns as well. Edit: Actually, if you're not interested in stealth at all, and you grab some of the lower perks out of the other trees, I can't think of a better build.
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Aug 20, 2013 09:55
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Having followed this thread from the start, I often feel that Framing Frames needs its own thread.
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Aug 21, 2013 07:24
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^^^I have a feeling Overkill will be addressing this with new difficulty levels and maybe specific high level heists. Especially because people begin to find Overkill difficulty really easy with a good team in the mid 30's and many people are already asking for harder difficulties. They have to be aware of how slow going it is at higher levels. It makes vanilla WoW look like a speedrun. I have to believe that Overkill is gonna do something about the super-obtuse "Crimenet" mission delivery system. It seems that the vast majority of people are sick and tired of it, and whenever I stop a session of Payday 2 it's usually not because I've had enough of the game, but because I just can't be hosed sifting through the mess. Even if you find a heist you feel like doing which is kind of rare, there's still no guarantee it's overkill (the only difficulty worth doing after lvl 30-35) and that you won't just hang at the connecting screen for 30s - a minute before it either tells you the game is full or you timed out. It's just a whole lot of uncertainties and bullshit layered on top of each other. I get that you're trying to get people to diversify, but I still see mostly pro Ukrainian overkill missions, and frankly, I'm sick of sitting in a lobby after a heist while the host spends the next five minutes trying to find a rushable heist (the irony) while repeatedly cursing in chat cause the game won't give him what he wants. Fact is people are still gonna grind these heists, and it just makes it frustrating for the people who wanna play the game. There is always the smartarse who chimes in right about here and says "host your own game lol", which would be great if it weren't for the fact that hosting is also hit and miss for some people. For whatever reason sometimes no-one will join your game after waiting for even 5 - 10 mins. Crimenet is just poorly thought out and broken. You can see what they were trying to do, but for the most part, it's a failure. Mr Scumbag fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Aug 21, 2013 |
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Aug 21, 2013 08:40
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Crewmine posted:Has anyone figured out what mobility is yet? As much as I like my zero mobility/recoil addon clusterfuck Reinfeld, I'm starting to worry that it actually performs worse than it should in practice. As far as I can tell, it's just runspeed. (and possibly stamina degeneration/capacity/recharge) There might be other things, but if you switch to high mobility gear after running speed Ukrainians for half an hour, you will notice you instantly shave off about 4-5 seconds. As soon as I went high mobility, I got the 35 second achievement. This was after doing a whole bunch of runs with all the heavy weapons with low mobility.
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Aug 21, 2013 10:49
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anuj posted:A Series of Bad Decision I've given up on mask patterns entirely. I've never seen one in or out of the game that I liked at all. At this stage I'm just trying to find good base masks and materials. Lvl 56 and I still haven't made a mask.
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Aug 22, 2013 02:07
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So, I think we can all agree that it's highly likely that we'll see a casino heist somewhere down the line, right? This strikes me as a pretty ripe opportunity to address two fairly common gripes people have with the game: no cash sinks and the grindy card system. What I'm thinking is that in casing mode during the casino heist, players would be able to play the slots. There are only three symbols, those being the three different cards you see on the payday screen after a mission. You put your cash into the slot machine, spin, and if you get three of a card it generates a drop, the same way it does after a heist. Edit: or have said slot machine be an upgrade for the safe house.
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Aug 22, 2013 06:26
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Lady Naga posted:Payday 1 also didn't work on a class tree system but rather a "pick this option and use it forever" system so I would presume the thing that is visually and superficially more like Borderlands would in fact work more like Borderlands. Not just that but on many of the screens it shows you every class name with how many points you have in it. It's more or less telling you they are all active.
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Aug 22, 2013 06:57
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Lemon Curdistan posted:I need to get Lucky Charms and C4, but that would involve being like, level 80. All I want is a red Oni mask; everything else is poo poo. I respecced into lucky charms tonight. I'm getting more cash drops than ever, no infamous items at all so far. What a waste.
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Aug 22, 2013 10:16
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QuantumNinja posted:Has anyone tried to troll Ukranian Job runs? Spec for C4 and then plant it all on the street, saying it's 'for when the cops come'. How about this? Run with a group for a while, and while the C4 guy is doing his thing, grab a bag of jewelry and throw it on the street, then go back in for the second one and throw it on the street too. After a while, one of the guys will learn that he is supposed to take the bags off the street and put them in the van and you'll notice he waits for the bags in the street every time. Once you've established that pattern and have done it a good number of times so he takes everything for granted, it's time to change it up. As soon as the job starts, run into the store like you usually do but kill a couple of people and bag up a body. Throw it out onto the street then go back and bag up the other one, throw that on the street too. By this time the safe should be blown. Go back to the van and wait like nothing has changed. Edit: Another one is this: Just do the Ukranian run normally right up until the end. Make sure you're the last one out of the store. Once everyone is in the escape zone, run up against the back of the van (it isn't counted as the escape zone) hit "t" and type "How do I get in the van???". Time it right so you get enough time to hear people rage over mic or text. It shouldn't be long before the van then leaves. I should mention I didn't make this one up, it happened to me last Friday night. I really hope the guy was trolling, but I've seen some pretty stupid people in this game. Mr Scumbag fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Aug 22, 2013 |
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Skoll posted:I'd hope someone would be smart enough to read A BODY on the HUD and notice how noticeably slower they are. I have to try this now. The trick is vehemently insisting after the heist that THEY WERE JEWELRY BAGS, YOU DUMMY! YOU WERE WALKING SLOW BECAUSE I HAVE A PERK TO GET MORE IN THE BAG! But seriously, you just say nothing at all, and keep doing it.
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