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The game (season 1 anyway. I haven't played beyond season 2 episode 2) had the advantage of being written as essentially a long movie with a definitive ending that everything led to and supported. It was very tightly plotted in a way a show intended to shamble on endlessly can't be. That doesn't excuse the dialogue in the show being worse, but it's a very different type of writing.
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So, Gareth knows Bob, right? The first episode, Bob spoke up right before he was about to die, and Gareth stopped the execution to chat with him. Why should he care what some random dude has to say? And, also, Gareth knew his name was Bob. And then in this episode when Gareth was talking to Bob after knocking him out, he says that what's happening is nothing personal and that his situation is "cosmic justice." We never really figured out what happened to Bob's previous group, did we, other than the fact that Bob said he was the only survivor? Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Oct 23, 2014 18:00
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Crows Turn Off posted:So, Gareth knows Bob, right? I mean who knows with this show, but Bob & co. presumably introduced themselves before getting jumped and tossed into the shipping container. The "cosmic justice" could be referring to Bob being part of the group that just destroyed the Termites home, or to Bob being the one pleading that they could "fix this and get things back the way they were" at the bleeding trough.
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Oct 23, 2014 18:04
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And, as someone mentioned before, Bob would be a real fuckin' bastard if he didn't mention, "Oh, Terminus? Yeah, we probably shouldn't go there." Or, if he was there prior to Rapeward Tattooman et al, he might've said, "Oh, Terminus? Those folks are cool. We should go there!"
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Oct 23, 2014 18:16
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Fair enough, like 6 or 7 out of those 10 would be on my list too. I was just curious what about the show really connected with you, since so many people slam the writing endlessly, but liking zombies a lot would definitely make it a contender. Nothin' wrong with that. Spartacus should never be a guilty pleasure 
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Oct 23, 2014 18:35
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Spartacus should never be a guilty pleasure I genuinely think the show grew into something special, and the dialogue could be pretty great. In terms of how it deals with gender / sexuality, etc. it's surprisingly progressive, and it was also easily the most entertaining show on TV during its run. The first few episodes are really, really bad though, and for anyone that hasn't seen the rest, putting Spartacus in the same list as Sopranos and Breaking Bad and such is going to raise some eyebrows. I think it belongs there, but I fully expect to catch flak for it anytime the conversation comes up. edit: Also yeah, I think Bob knowing the Terminus people beforehand would be stretching it a bit. I think the dialogue while they were eating his leg was just a bit more vague than they probably intended. Who knows though, I could see them using that a twist if it led somewhere interesting, even at the expense of it all fitting together logically. The show wouldn't be nearly as entertaining if it was worried about 100% tactical realism all day every day, and even the best shows know when to let logic take a back seat to a good story. Grizzled Patriarch fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Oct 23, 2014 19:49
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I genuinely think the show grew into something special, and the dialogue could be pretty great. In terms of how it deals with gender / sexuality, etc. it's surprisingly progressive, and it was also easily the most entertaining show on TV during its run. The first few episodes are really, really bad though, and for anyone that hasn't seen the rest, putting Spartacus in the same list as Sopranos and Breaking Bad and such is going to raise some eyebrows. If they knew him why did they taunt him when they were getting ready to slip his throat?
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Oct 23, 2014 20:10
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bobkatt013 posted:If they knew him why did they taunt him when they were getting ready to slip his throat? Yeah, I personally don't think they knew him beforehand. Would be pretty funny if that's why he was at the end of the trough line, though. The phrasing of the dialogue was just a bit odd when they were eating his leg.
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Oct 23, 2014 20:56
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Yeah, I personally don't think they knew him beforehand. Would be pretty funny if that's why he was at the end of the trough line, though. The phrasing of the dialogue was just a bit odd when they were eating his leg. If he left they would have been pissed at him and stuck him at the beginning. I think it was more taunting him thinking that he said they could all get along.
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Oct 23, 2014 20:59
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:edit: Also yeah, I think Bob knowing the Terminus people beforehand would be stretching it a bit. I think the dialogue while they were eating his leg was just a bit more vague than they probably intended. Who knows though, I could see them using that a twist if it led somewhere interesting, even at the expense of it all fitting together logically. The show wouldn't be nearly as entertaining if it was worried about 100% tactical realism all day every day, and even the best shows know when to let logic take a back seat to a good story. I thought that whole speech was to set up the tension for the upcoming episodes: a murderous group of insane cannibals chasing Rick and Co. Sadly I think this foreshadows the "machete" comment Rick made, but at least we're bound to lose a few on the way.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:21
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I don't know if this was covered yet but apparently the first guy who got killed in the food trough is the guy Rick turned away last season? I don't really remember him but there's that.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:32
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precision posted:I don't know if this was covered yet but apparently the first guy who got killed in the food trough is the guy Rick turned away last season? I don't really remember him but there's that. Yep the hippy from the episode he kicked Carol out of the group. He also plays Penguin on Gotham.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:33
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Blazing Ownager posted:Now come on. You can't possibly be saying Game of Thrones isn't exceptionally well made? Even if you hate that show, the production values are through the roof. Frankly it looks better than most fantasy movies 99% of the time. They pour a lot of money into it but it's still not as well made as Hannibal. I say that as someone that watches both religiously.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:45
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Blazing Ownager posted:Now come on. You can't possibly be saying Game of Thrones isn't exceptionally well made? Even if you hate that show, the production values are through the roof. Frankly it looks better than most fantasy movies 99% of the time. As great as the Walking Dead "Zombie guest star! Look at this amazing makeup job we did" shots hold up, GoT needs to make good on the insane amount of care and detail they put into the clothing made for the show and give us some Dress Porn close-ups.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:40
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TOOT BOOT posted:They pour a lot of money into it but it's still not as well made as Hannibal. I say that as someone that watches both religiously. Apples and oranges but I'd give the edge to Hannibal as well. It just feels more lovingly crafted, whereas GoT as you say is just dressed up real purty.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:46
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precision posted:I don't know if this was covered yet but apparently the first guy who got killed in the food trough is the guy Rick turned away last season? I don't really remember him but there's that. Rick didn't turn him away, he let him and his limping girlfriend scavenge the area with his watch so they would meet back at a specific time. Carol was against this as she thought the two were weak and too much of a liability. Sure enough the two hippies(?) don't make it back in time, and Rick and Carol find the girl's leg a few yards away from some walkers chowing down. Guy lived and made it to Terminus, poor bastard, Carol found Rick's watch on the table of watches.
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Oct 24, 2014 01:05
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hollylolly posted:Rick didn't turn him away, he let him and his limping girlfriend scavenge the area with his watch so they would meet back at a specific time. Carol was against this as she thought the two were weak and too much of a liability. Sure enough the two hippies(?) don't make it back in time, and Rick and Carol find the girl's leg a few yards away from some walkers chowing down. No it was the other way around it was Carol's idea and Rick was against it.
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spankmeister posted:No it was the other way around it was Carol's idea and Rick was against it. Carol wanted to let them help scavenge, Rick thought they shouldn't, you're right. But he was going to take them with him back to the prison regardless. If I recall correctly which I probably don't.
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Oct 24, 2014 01:59
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hollylolly posted:Carol wanted to let them help scavenge, Rick thought they shouldn't, you're right. But he was going to take them with him back to the prison regardless. If I recall correctly which I probably don't. That's correct. He wanted to take them with him, Carol was like "first let's see if they can handle themselves" and Rick thought they were too weak to clear houses and poo poo so he was against them going out to scavenge and wanted to take them regardless.
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Oct 24, 2014 02:04
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*Complains about the show non stop, still manages to get elementary story beats in the show totally wrong*
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Mexcillent posted:*Complains about the show non stop, still manages to get elementary story beats in the show totally wrong* Goons can't handle shows where they can't multitask. They make up plot holes because they miss vital plot points or beats. Then they argue about it. I acquit.
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Oct 24, 2014 06:26
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Spoeank posted:I acquit. Ugh don't remind me.
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Oct 24, 2014 07:06
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Mexcillent posted:*Complains about the show non stop, still manages to get elementary story beats in the show totally wrong* Too true. I think the Bob knowing the Terminus crew is unlikely. The show let's Bob speak (at the trough) for a few reasons, none of which are to suggest he knows them intimately. It establishes that they are sure of themselves. Nothing Bob can say will change the situation. Garreth stalling it to let Bob speak showcases his authority role, as well. That's sort of important for a premier reintroducing a character who is in all of 2 or 3 scenes before the episode. Additionally, the preview before the season was cut to look like Bob successfully talks them into letting them go and they travel to DC together. Bob's appeal was a fake out. The campfire/leg scene is all about their hunt not being a revenge trip (differentiating them from the Governor, who re-emerged and sought out revenge ASAP), it's just a nice bonus that they got Bob back.
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Oct 24, 2014 09:12
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precision posted:Let's not pretend that Lee was that much smarter than the average cast member of the show. He was just written much better, and the times he was incompetent were far more believable.
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Oct 24, 2014 12:48
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Naet posted:The show's depicted Tyreese as the "gentle giant" trope since his first episode, so I disagree completely. Remember everyone screaming about no character development? Now here's a prime example of that and he's a "played out trope".
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Oct 24, 2014 14:43
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spankmeister posted:Ugh don't remind me. Shannon got stabbed and there were time traveling bullets.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:26
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spankmeister posted:Ugh don't remind me. Explain. Also why do people think Bob knows the Terminus crew from somewhere else? They probably just got to know each other briefly before being herded into train cars.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:28
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various cheeses posted:Explain. I actually forgot which show it was (breaking bad?) but goons were arguing for weeks about a line that was hard to understand. It obviously was "I quit" but goons were arguing it was "I acquit" instead.
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Oct 24, 2014 17:31
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it was The Office and Michael Scott was the one who said it
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Oct 24, 2014 17:41
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various cheeses posted:Explain. Hey man if Andrea can put on a mask and drive the zombie-filled fan through the prison fence during the first Governor attack, who knows what Bob is capable of?!
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various cheeses posted:Also why do people think Bob knows the Terminus crew from somewhere else? They probably just got to know each other briefly before being herded into train cars.
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It still frustrates me to no end that they jumped in the water to get those food buckets. They've already established that it isn't the bite that kills you, but the bacteria. Now you're telling me that it's perfectly ok to swim around and play in water that's had a dozen or so zombie bodies decomposing in it for the past year or so?
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Havent looked at this thread in a while. The title made me laugh out loud.
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EatinCake posted:It still frustrates me to no end that they jumped in the water to get those food buckets. They've already established that it isn't the bite that kills you, but the bacteria. Now you're telling me that it's perfectly ok to swim around and play in water that's had a dozen or so zombie bodies decomposing in it for the past year or so? Just being exposed to zombie fluid doesn't kill a person. They've been wrapping themselves up in zombie parts for seasons now, and they've gotten gallons of blood on themselves. If you remember in an earlier season, Rick got blood all over his face and put the gun to his head preparing to turn, but didn't.
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EatinCake posted:It still frustrates me to no end that they jumped in the water to get those food buckets. They've already established that it isn't the bite that kills you, but the bacteria.
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Crows Turn Off posted:Pretty sure it's not "the bacteria." Every person on Earth already has the pathogen. Regardless of how they die, they turn into a zombie (minus brain trauma) I think the more popular theory (and it is not established) is that a bite causes some sort of infection that can cause death, the speed at which it affects a victim depends on the amount of drama needed for the show. We don't see a whole lot of superficial wounds from the walkers, so we don't really have a lot of things to point too.
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The point is that even in a non-zombie setting people wouldn't be wading waste high in putrid vomit water without protection. The show's never been realistic that way though.
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This is a show where the central problem of an entire episode was getting a zombie out of a well so that they could then drink the water that said zombie was just having a bath in. In other words, don't worry about it. Mexcillent posted:*Complains about the show non stop, still manages to get elementary story beats in the show totally wrong* Aren't you the guy that was weirdly aggressive and called people "loving idiots" when they said that the crazy girl was obviously the one who was feeding the rats to the fence zombies?
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xxEightxx posted:I think the more popular theory (and it is not established) is that a bite causes some sort of infection that can cause death, the speed at which it affects a victim depends on the amount of drama needed for the show. We don't see a whole lot of superficial wounds from the walkers, so we don't really have a lot of things to point too. I'm just saying that "the bacteria" isn't the thing that kills you.
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Basically, you don't die when a zombie bites you because of bacteria, you die because of magic.
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