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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

euphronius posted:

That's not the last of Carol

She will come back as a raid boss

She might come back with someone else who hates Rick and the people at the prison.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Stairs posted:

I'm actually pissed off right now. Carol has never stopped fighting for the group, even when Rick was having his psycho spaz attacks and ignoring reason. Rick killed Shane, but he's 'justified' because he's Rick. So many people died because Rick made bad judgements yet Carol doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt because reasons. I hope he gets shat on by everyone else for just leaving her and not bringing her back for trial. Seems terribly egotistical of him to just make that huge call without consulting the council that has had to do everything ever since he went kookoo and started playing Farmer Brown.
I also hope now that it really was Carol's kid that killed them and she ends up killing Judith right before Carol comes back and saves everyone else. Then Rick can loving deal with it.
Carol should go find the Govenor.

With Shane it was justified since Shane brought Rick out into the woods to kill. There is also the fact that Tyreese would go crazy and kill her after he finds out. However, knowing his luck kicking her out is going to be the start of the end of the prison community.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
There is no way that she is gone for good as she is in the main credits and they are not gone until you hear that gun shot.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Stairs posted:

The Walker hoarde was alerted to the farm's presence by the noise they were making in the forest and field. They wouldn't have been out there if Rick was even partially capable of making a decision. Shane wouldn't have snapped quite so quickly, or if he did it would likely have been closer to the house or on a run.

They were alerted by Shane getting shot. Shane was going nuts even before they reached the farm, as he killed Otis almost as soon as they got there. They literly showed the zombies heads turning when they heard the gunshot.

bobkatt013 fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Nov 4, 2013

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Dirk Squarejaw posted:

They'd almost have to do a TWD-BB crossover where the group discovers Skylar for me to dislike a character as much as Andrea.

The farther this season goes, I feel that much of the problems we're seeing were caused by Rick's decision to bring the Woodbury people to the jail. While it was the human thing to do, they brought in a bunch of people who can't fend for themselves. They've eaten up the food and the main group has used put themselves in danger gathering supplies for them while they hang out at the jail relatively safe (at least prior to the flu).

Then, the hippies show up last night. The girl had a bad leg and neither seemed like a great defender. Rick tried doing the humane thing again by letting them pass his quiz, and Carol saw them as more freeloaders who would only hold the group back. When all your best defenders are out gathering supplies, it makes the jail more vulnerable to zombies or other possible hostile groups looking for refuge.

I think somehow Rick's humanitarianism is going to be his downfall or the reason they have to relocate.

There is also the chance that some of the people are still loyal to the Governor, who is still out there and crzay as ever.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Redundant posted:

Nobody from the town that is currently living in the prison is an intentional threat. I am pretty sure they are all kids and old folks anyway since the Governor drafted every able bodied person before gunning them all down himself so even if they were still loyal after his display of complete insanity it's not like they could overrun the prison.

Why would it have to be in silence? I assume she died a while before Rick/Carol stumbled into that backyard.

I assume the feeding of the rats is going to have some revelence. They also say that they have rescued other people so who knows.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Redundant posted:

Yeah, I specified "from the town" and "intentional threat" because I couldn't remember if other people had been saved and because things like the fence feeding, flu and having dozens of useless mouths to feed are all things that might become threatening, but not due to nefarious intentions.


I also assume when they have a bunch of new characters they are setting up the body count and maybe one or two named characters.
They mentioned in the first episode that Daryl has been saving people and bringing them in.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

LadyPictureShow posted:

It seems like he's one of those types that isn't good with a melee type weapon. He did stab that one, but it was pinned down and not a threat.

I know another poster commented on it, but the fact he had *only* booze in his bag was heavy-handed. Granted, he *did* look over all the drugs in the cabinets and said they had everything possibly useful, which Michonne packed up. Seemed like a bit of an over-reaction from Daryl. Maybe if it turned out Bob dumped out some meds in favor of the booze, the reaction might not have seemed so over-blown to me.

I thought it was also him pissed since his love of booze caused the death of Zach, and Daryl seemed to like the kid.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

GamingHyena posted:

Hell, if any kid is going to end up in a Lord of the Flies scenario, it's Carl. He's already mercy killed his Mom and shot the Woodbury kid for basically no reason. Rick's response? Take away his gun (for a few episodes). THAT'S just good parenting.

It was around 6 months and he was forced to just farm. He was not even allowed to do fence stabbing

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Iowa Snow King posted:

For me it's just that Rick makes bad decisions pretty much every time he starts Deciding Things, and it is frequently bad for the group. He didn't even give Carol a chance to become a farmer.

The dream of being a farmer is over. When he used the pigs to lead the walkers away from the gate was him sacrificing that and going back to being what he was before.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Stairs posted:

Some of you make great points, but I cannot get over the fact that last season Rick allowed a hitchhiker to die on the very slight chance he might be a risk to the group, and that's supposed to be okay. But now that he's changed his mind and Carol did something similar (for much better reasons than a "what if") she's totally wrong and deserves no second chances according to Rick's new found sense of right and wrong.

What if that hitchhiker was screaming because his wife and kid were just beyond the treeline and he was so desperate to get them somewhere safe that he was freaking out? What if Rick had rescued the guy only to find out that not only was he a doctor, but that he was an infections disease specialist and had a backpack full of meds? Rick didn't know, but acted on his hunch and didn't feel bad about it at all. So did Carol. Therefore his being so horrified by Carol's actions smacks of base hypocrisy to me.

Rick was going crazy and he already had one person in the car he was not sure he could trust, plus his kid.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
The Carl thing I saw it coming out of the fight that Carl and Rick had earlier the season. Carl thought that since he did not kill that Zombie he killed Dale. Also since Rick showed mercy to the kid in the barn it killed a bunch of people at Hershel's and him not killing that dude in the prison caused the death of Lori and T-dog

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

messagemode1 posted:

What happened to Hershel's crutches? I thought he lost a leg.

He has a fake leg.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

euphronius posted:

You got whooshed there, friend.

With this thread you never know.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Redundant posted:

He risked his own life, and the lives of the people who went to help him, for a few bottles of booze. If something had gone wrong during the fight for that bag the medical supplies may never have reached the prison and the sickies may have died.

I didn't have too much issue with that scene. D made a threat, Darryl called his bluff and got in his face (kinda literally but it's where the expression comes from) then D backed down/came to his senses.

This is also not the first time that he has done this. Daryl is now aware that the poo poo that happened at the shopping mart was due to his alcoholism.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

No More Heroes posted:

Thats Lawrence Gilliard Jr. he was the kicker in the Waterboy and was in gangs of New York. Tons of little TV spots too.

He was also on a little show called the Wire.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

savinhill posted:

Bob is the unluckiest recovering alcoholic in the post apocalypse, every time he goes on an away mission there's always bottles of booze in his path.

Also, I don't think it's out there to believe that the little girl may have been the real killer of the two sick people. Every scene she had prior to the quarantine involved someone telling her she needed to toughen up and be willing to kill when needed. There was even the scene with her father where she chickened out of mercy killing him in exactly the same manner as the two quarantine murder victims.

I wonder if thats why she burned the bodies. She discovered the kid killed them, but it was sloppy so to destroy the evidence she burned them.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Deadpool posted:

That being one of the kids makes sense. I'm not saying it's the best way to go, but at least it makes sense.

I saw it could be someone who still supports the Governor and feeding them rats so more zombies will come and be able to cause more destruction.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Surlaw posted:

This would be even worse than Evil Child.

Why? The Governor is still out there and we know he is going to try to kill everyone? He has used zombies before as foot troops and if he has an army at this point its very tiny since he killed them all.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Theglavwen posted:

Have they? Or, maybe, should they though? What curveballs have really been thrown previously, by this show? The only surprises that really come are in the vein of sudden deaths, zombie attacks, assaults from known villains, or just things going wrong. They've never mislead the viewer, in fact, they're typically quite up front about it: Shane killed Otis, Shane's a nutback, the Governor's crazy, he has a headquarium, Rick's seeing poo poo, Andrea's been caught by the Governor, etc. The closest things I can think of to 'curveballs' are Rick's episode on the phone, which was very in keeping with his attitude at the time and resolved in one episode, and Merle's reappearance, which wasn't so much a curveball as an obvious eventuality and Dramatic Event.

Has the show ever really done any multi-episode misdirection jobs?

Maybe Sophia's fate

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

socialsecurity posted:

Shane was shown to be off kilter from early season 1.

He was shown to be a misogynistic douchebag in his first scene of season one.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Holy poo poo that preview.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Bedurndurn posted:

We're 50+ episodes into this and our characters are more than 2 years into the loving apocalypse. If, as you feel, Rick has just finally come to terms with the idea that Carl must shoot zombies to live, then Rick will probably drown if he looks up while its raining.

It is not just killing zombies, its the fact that they have to become cold. That he can not be a kid and he has to only care about himself.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Fog Tripper posted:

Who's to say that the herds were not piling up against the fence prior to the season premier?

They mention that this has been the biggest buildup in a while. They also say that they are starting to bunch up.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Judakel posted:

Eh, one person clearing the fence would've been enough; they could've spared someone.

Grab a second for clearing the resulting zombie pile.

They were getting overwelmed when they had 5-6 people doing it.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
It the fence the one that was weakened due to the Governor driving through it or is it a diffrent part?

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

zoux posted:

Yeah I think it was more for therapy rather than trying to feed people. It's not like they have facilities for long term storage of fresh veggies.

They did have a freezer but its full of dead men's piss and poo poo.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
I wonder if all the people have to be killed by the Governor, and he blames the people at the prison and thats why he is back.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Iowa Snow King posted:

I think the implication is that some zombies retain enough instinct or memory to "go back" to their routine, sort of like Morgan's wife from the pilot.

Or most of the zombies in Dawn of the Dead

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Redundant posted:

I don't think Darryl will freak out. They did a worse thing to his brother and he was still mostly chilled out about it. He may want to go looking for her but after his speech to Michonne I think he will be convinced to stay and keep helping the group due to the severity of the situation.

I'm bad at making predictions though, I just moan about other peoples :v:

I assume he will be all ready to go search for her, but since the Governor shows up he will stay.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Doctor Butts posted:

No its loving retarded because you're saying that the Governor is only worse than the other characters because he has a bigger body count. Which is totally disregarding the loving rape, torture, and loving murder squads.

Also his head aquariums and feeding strangers to his daughter.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

rypakal posted:

Yeah, she didn't tend towards cold practicality in season 2. Nor did she tend towards cold practicality in season 3 when she told Andrea to stab a sleeping man in the face. Yes, this new Carol is totally out of left field and not at all a sensible and gradual progression.

There was also when she told them to get a female zombie so she could practice c sections.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

verybad posted:

Not even that, really. The way he was portrayed in season 3, he wasn't concerned with survival as much as he was with power and satisfying his own ego, with an extra serving of "hosed up" on the side. That was kind of bad, though, because the writers clearly wanted him to be some sort of dark reflection of Rick, but the way he was written I don't think anyone bought it.

I think the only time they got close was when they showed his diary and it started out with talking about how to help the town. However, it then went to crazy town with the lists and tally marks.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
NOOOOOOOOOO

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

What the gently caress

When did Gov get a katana?! :stare:

Look who he captured.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
gently caress YOU

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
WAALLLLTTT

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Well they did not show Judith in the dead.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

If she just went missing then how the gently caress are Rick and Carl gonna find her now that they've moved on from the prison?

The person who took her is on the bus or on the run.

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bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?
Holy poo poo Beth. :(

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