turnways posted:

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Crazy, DLC, community, and OP weapons should be locked to a separate game mode, and unavailable in the standard one.

Anyone remember the Bullpup? That thing was the only thing a commando had back in the day, and there is no reason to use it whatsoever anymore.

By keeping the "fun"/op stuff to a separate game setting for the people who just want to 1 shoot everything, you don't risk unbalancing the game in the standard ones. Standard modes should only allow re-skins and re-models of what there already is, or in case of a rare new addition (being part of a huge game update with new ZEDs and stuff) it should be carefully balanced first to complement the previous weapons and not outclass them and make them obsolete, and even then, there should be a way to play the version without the new additions.

Something like this will save a lot of drama in the long run.

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Too bad they did some kind of total switchover regarding the "pallets" in the middle of the game's life.

Heavy Metal, Level Up, and the first Crimbo/Summer events were totally great, but it went really bizarre from then on.

The worst part was how all the effort put into balancing the game previously was seemingly forgotten and pretty much undone.

If they want to balance the spices as you say, they'd best actually balance them out instead of spontaneously decide they want to cater to another palette altogether. Most people I've spoken to in my pallet don't even seem enthusiastic about KF2 as I am due to KF1's changes, which is a drat shame.

I'm really, really excited for KF2 because it's a chance for the game to be given a clean slate as the hardcore horror shooter it started out as in 2005. It's presenting itself as such, too. If this changes again, I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

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Leafblower and poo guns can **** right off.

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Yeah, putting what's essentially a miniboss in a position where it's totally incapable of damaging you despite being within point-blank range sure sounds balanced and fair.

When the Sharpshooter pops off the Scrake's head in enough shots to count on one hand, that makes perfect sense because it's known that the Sharpie emphasises precision and high-damage to high-value targets. It fits with the role and requires the user to exercise skill and reaction speed.

Or the Support Specialist who has high damage close-range weapons can mag-dump into the Scrake in an attempt to kill it can have a go at it too, though he'd have a greater risk of getting damaged whilst still being quite capable.

The Demoman can have a try, he's already great at dealing with Fleshpounds, but the Scrake's explosive resistance makes it harder and more inefficient, but still doable.

But when the sodding MEDIC can down a high-value target whilst sustaining nothing but armour damage, yeah, I think that really contradicts the entire point of players having individual roles depending on their selected perk.

Thus, we have found imbalance.

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I've been playing KF since its release date, I like to think I have a better idea of the game's balance than someone who seems to think every perk being equally capable at the same tasks makes for a good co-op game.

The Xbow is an expensive weapon with expensive limited ammo with what was originally a slow reload rate. That puts it at a loss when it comes to dealing with the hordes of clots, gorefasts, and crawlers. This makes Commandos and Firebugs useful. Commandos and Firebugs (ideally) aren't that great versus Scrakes and Fleshpounds. Sharpshooter, however, is excellent at killing them.

The different perks specialise in different areas, and when put together they work well as a team. The idea of working as a group may not be popular amongst asocial basement-dwellers, but Killing Floor is a co-op game, it's loved and marketed as such, and so it makes perfect sense that the dev team emphasises and builds up on co-op gameplay.

Let me make it even simpler.

Lemurs are pretty boss at climbing trees. But if you threw a Lemur into a river, it'd probably drown. Fish are good at swimming, they dedicate their lives to it. But if you wanted a fish to climb a tree, it won't happen.

The forces of nature are balanced. Everything is good and as it should be.

Then, one day, a fish, while still remaining an expert at swimming, it suddenly becomes incredibly proficient at climbing trees, to everyone's surprise. The tree-climbing Lemur is now pitted against the swimming and climbing fish. Nobody else in the animal kingdom gives a toss about the Lemur anymore, and everyone wants to chill with the fish and his kind. The Lemur is obsolete, the fish reigns supreme. This isn't balanced.

Does this analogy make sense?

A medic, firebug, or commando being able to take down a miniboss, a popular pasttime amongst Supports and Sharpshooters, is a serious interruption in Killing Floor's balance, and a contradiction of its goals as a co-operative game.

PS: People who disagree with you aren't trolls or baiters, TWI forums is a friendly place where not everyone is out to get you.

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Originally Posted by larkstongues42 View Post
So you've never gotten surprised husked or sirened while miniflinch locking a scrake causing you to mess up the flinch?
I dunno how the hell you guys manage to miss in point-blank range.

Also isn't kiting still popular? It kinda stops the other trash zeds being a threat. Just run around, shave away all the trash zeds as they pile up, then destroy the big lads in all the magical open space.

Yeah dude, that's not balance. That's exploitation of the way the game's AI works. There's no real challenge or dependency placed on other teammates. I've seen Medics survive 200+ Zeds on certain maps. Medics.

DreamShipWrecked posted:

It is weird to see people.complaining about the weird and bizarre special events since that is a large part of what makes the game, well, fun.

turnways posted:

Some backstory:

TaurusTorus posted:

I misread the bottom as saying "We are Horzine, Bitch." I liked that interpretation much better

turnways posted:

Hahahahahaha

I actually made all these. While I was working on them that's what it said for a while, as a little note to myself about Horzine's attitude.

Another one is out so here it is:

dorkasaurus_rex posted:

How many folks are still playing the original? Tripwire has been so god drat good about adding content.

Slybo posted:

How about some goon exclusive pre-early-access?

Oh btw. Is KF2 using UE3 or UE4?

turnways posted:

Haha, no guarantees on early-early access but I'd love to put on a livestream for folks before early access once that ball gets rolling.

And it's using a heavily modified UE3; we started development before UE4 came out and we have enough tools and talented folks to really make UE3 shine. I'd love to work on UE4 though, seems like its UI-development featureset is pretty robust.

dorkasaurus_rex posted:

How many folks are still playing the original? Tripwire has been so god drat good about adding content.

Execu-speak posted:

Looks good, too bad after the RO2 debacle I decided never to spend another cent on a TWI product.

Oberleutnant posted:

Was RO2 bad? I remember having a lot of fun in beta and played for a little while after release. What went wrong?

The French Army! posted:

RO2 needed another six months at the very least to work out the bugs, but they went ahead and launched anyhow. The game was a buggy mess and they started banning people and deleting posts on their forums when anyone complained. During this time the head of the company proved himself to be an insufferable manchild who stated blaming paying customers for not enjoying the game. They then proceeded to let the community fix most of the major problems, putting their unofficial fixes into official patches later. The game had unplayable lag for the first few months and TWI refused to fix it until someone in the community came along and did it for them. The game came out without support for custom maps and it took months of workarounds before the first custom maps were up and running. The SDK took like six months to get released and it's literally the UE3 SDK with some minor tweaks.

Troop transports and more tanks, critical features of the original that allowed for huge combined arms maps, were promised within six months of launch. Rather than adding this content, they promptly forgot about their pesky promises and moved on to the Rising Strom expansion so they could charge money for it rather than add the content they had promised people since before launch. They just patched in troop transports, two and a half years after launch mind you, and yet again they were done entirely by the community. Not a single extra tank has been made yet and we all know none will be. They've added all but two or three official maps to either game, instead waiting to add community made maps they didn't have to do any work on. RO2, while not bad, was lazy in many ways and could have actually been awesome in the hands of a competent software developer which is why I'll wait and see on KF2.

Party Plane Jones posted:

You forgot the big selling point of multiplayer campaigns that they have not released in any form that actually works.

Mans posted:

What? There are tons of multiplayer campaign servers. Most of the most popular servers have campaigns.


And yeah, a lot of people assumed that RO2 was subpar because they were too focused on Killing Floor and it's sucessor to give a poo poo about a stillborn game. Let's hope they don't screw up Killing Floor 2.

Takes No Damage posted:

And gently caress those Crawlers with the splitting lower jaws gross gross gross.

DeusExMachinima posted:

pretty sure they always had that