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Updated the thread tag to Treasure due to shadowy collector cabal's wishes   So what can I play in eternal formats? The full list is here, but for modern it's basically "everything with the new face." (the exceptions being cards with the new face that haven't been printed since Eigth edition, like Tainted Field from the new Duel Deck or Judge Promos.) Legacy is "mostly everything that's not restricted in But what cards should I play? http://www.metamox.com/staples.php has a list of the top cards being played in each format right now Wait, that card is how much now? There's no getting around it, Eternal formats are expensive, and unlike legacy, in Modern you can't sneak wins and take 8th place using a $60 burn deck - the format is completely dependent on fetches and the big-money cards to win. Expect to drop in the neighborhood of $200-300 on a deck not counting its manabase, and another $500 on the manabase itself. On the upside, nothing in Modern is forbidden from being reprinted, so you get bonus volatility that doesn't exist in legacy. Still, if previous reprints have taught us anything, it's that after an initial dip as the available stock expands, supply will far outstrip demand and prices will slingshot past their old highs. I've found BidWicket immensely easier/cheaper to get cards from, especially common/uncommon staples. You can comparison shop and get things on the cheap, just be aware that paying a few cents more per card can make financial sense on shipping. White Lion and Strike Zone are consistently cheap and great. Also, Gixen is free and lets you snipe if you want to try your luck with eBay; it's a fairly simple interface and can save you beaucoups dollars. This is stupid, I don't wanna pay that much! That's not a question, Janet, but here's the thing: It's an eternal format, so once you buy your manabase, you're pretty much set, and you'll be able to trade out fetches/duals into decks with new pieces when you want to change things up. There's also several staples like Path to Exile that, while $20 for a playset of uncommons, are usable across several decks forever. And since the cards aren't really set to get cheaper any time soon, Modern is the safest place to keep your money this side of a Mox in terms of being able to cash out and buy a car/semester of classes a few years down the road. Where can I play Modern and Legacy? Odds are your friendly local gaming store has Modern nights on a non-Friday night, like Wednesday. If not, ask about forming one. Modern is also ¼ of the tournament season. Legacy is loving crazy! It sure is! The most broken yet fun decks are all played in Legacy. For example, quote:Dredge is like one of those sea creatures that eats with its butt. Wholly natural, but un-loving-believable until you see it in action for yourself Seriously, look at this poo poo: code:Finally, please don't get into #mtgfinance talk about spec targets. 
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Our large-ish weekly modern event at Card Kingdom has been taken down two weeks in a row by a guy playing "just some zombie devotion deck I threw together." Played against him, he's running stuff like singleton(!) Gravecrawler, Geralf's Messenger, Mortician Beetle, Nykthos, a Phyrexian Obliterator or two and some Bloodghasts. It's pretty  but it works because I guess no one but me plays Grafdigger's Cage?
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May 18, 2014 20:21
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homerlaw posted:How viable is legacy re-animator right now with all the graveyard hate out right now, decent or not? TinFins is a deck, but Dredge and Breakfast Burrito are faster decks.
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May 20, 2014 01:52
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Is this a typo? That's a red card, way too expensive and bad for your gameplan, and I'm assuming it was accidentally pasted in.  restoration angel
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May 20, 2014 07:04
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bhsman posted:I like the Pay 3 Life = R ogre dude; he could create some nutty hands for Sneak Attack decks. If you have 3R available, why not just cast Sneak Attack rather than this guy, then pay 15 life to Sneak Attack the same turn?
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May 23, 2014 19:05
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C-Euro posted:Reminds me of a rough draft of a deck I wrote up last summer after a goon saw something like it at a local Modern event. I'm ramping into Descendant's Path + cheap Eldrazi to cast Emrakul for free, it's pretty flimsy but I do like the idea of cheating huge creatures into play. Shelldock.dec is still Johnny-er 2 Emrakul 4 Shelldock Isle 4 Surgical Extraction 50 Shadowborn Apostle always choose to draw.
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May 29, 2014 05:44
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Jorath posted:What about Top? Doesn't let you win off Lab Maniac I'd guess.
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May 29, 2014 21:01
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Filthy Monkey posted:Any suggestions to help shore up the weaker matchups?
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May 29, 2014 23:42
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Cabal Therapy sees play elsewhere and trades super-hot anyway. Leyline of Sanctity, Elesh Norn and Griselbrand all see play in Modern and EDH, and you'll have no problem moving them if/when you try and get out of the deck. Ichorid is about the only card more than a dollar that you can't easily port or trade. And that $400 tag is assuming you're paying the $0.45 for Golgari Grave-Shell or whatever when they can be had for free from one of your friend's "big box o' commons" next time you're over.
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Jun 2, 2014 20:53
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Stinky Pit posted:Or we could be honest and admit that the vast majority of that deck is bulk that could be had for cheap, and plenty of copies of the expensive cards can be had for 10 to 5 dollars less than their highest listings. And if you're desperate, you could use Khalni Garden for the same effect as Dryad Arbor for less than a buck for the playset.
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Jun 2, 2014 22:40
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Static Equilibrium posted:It also means they'll have the mana to spell pierce, stifle, daze.... I thought that's what Chancellor of the Annex was for?
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Jun 6, 2014 18:36
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AgentSythe posted:Yeah, storm is fine. That list is obviously worse against aggro than the "regular" version but otherwise all of the other cards are exactly the same. Bolts make the matchup better, and maybe you find room for an Aetherize or something but I'm not sure if that is correct. You maindeck bolts not JUST because they make your aggro matchup better, but because under an active Pyromancer's Ascension every bolt is effectively +7 to your storm count.
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Jun 7, 2014 19:22
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I ran storm tonight at modern at Card Kingdom, went 3-1. Beat the poo poo out of Pod off of Blood Moon, got curbstomped by America, beat America in a super-tight game that involved a Grapeshot for 15 when he was at 17, then Goblin Electromancer beats for the win, then a free pass vs Burn (who was inexplicably not running Blood Moon, which would have slowed me down by a lot). Got to live the dream of having two online Pyromancer's Ascension and then casting Bolt for 9 damage, so that was fun.
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Jun 8, 2014 10:40
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Stinky Pit posted:These days I've seen newish players register "Rock Aggro" lists because to them Rock is synonymous with G/B, it might not be accurate but a lot of the names and short hand has gotten away from what it used to mean 
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Jun 12, 2014 04:34
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kizudarake posted:xathrid necromancers and Elspeth
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Jun 12, 2014 06:31
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a dozen swans posted:e: also, the one Vintage Masters booster I cracked had a City in a Bottle in it. Am I right in assuming it's a hate card against Dredge? Vintage doesn't make sense to me.
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Jun 13, 2014 00:11
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C-Euro posted:What Dredge cards are you hating out with City? Bazaar and Library are the only ones I can think of.
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Jun 13, 2014 02:17
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Even if you don't have fetches, the ability to mill 6 (or 12) off a land drop-> fetch-> land is so strong I'd almost suggest Terramorphic Expanse. Hedron Crab is that good
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Jun 17, 2014 04:01
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Elyv posted:I only looked at your fetchless version, but crypt incursion looks pretty bad and I'd probably replace it with a removal spell or damnation or something. I played turbomill for a while, ironically it folds to non-tier-1 decks, as these unpowered players aren't playing the fetches that make your archive traps live. Infect (and affinity if you don't have instant answers for each Inkmoth Nexus they drop) are very tough matchups for you, though.
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Jun 17, 2014 04:48
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So Heartless Summoning and Perilous Myr exist... anyone ever try and rebuild Goblin Bombardment using Enduring Renewal (which got timeshifted)? Or is it just too fragile?
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Jun 27, 2014 01:09
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Elyv posted:That's a 3 card combo using some pretty marginal cards, why do that instead of 1-2 card combos like scapeshift or twin? Because a B/W shell gives you stuff like Thoughtseize, Leyline of Sanctity and Silence to protect your combo, and Heartless Summoning already combos with a bunch of stuff. It was just navel-gazing, I'm not serious (it scoops to all sorts of graveyard hate since it's triggered instead of replacement effect), but it's something that might be fun to gin up for a casual modern event.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:37
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Molybdenum posted:Has anyone given cruel control a whirl in modern? How did it play and what were the tough match ups? I've played against Cruel Control a few times, and every time it was at the X-2 tables, and it was always just too drat slow to matter. It's just outclassed by the answers of America Control and the threats of Jund.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:08
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah what Everblight said. If you want to cast a 7 cmc spell why not scapeshift and win on the spot? Scapeshift of course with the added bonus of costing 3 less than Cruel Ultimatum, and castable off of Bosejiu
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Jul 3, 2014 22:38
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Cernunnos posted:Ban Emrakul in all formats. Honestly that's not the worst thing. Emrakul exists solely to be cheated into play, not hardcast. With it gone, the next-most-busted thing to cheat in is probably Griselbrand, which while still degenerate is nowhere near as backbreaking. It would also allow "fair" cheat-them-in decks to exist. It would get rid of Release the Ants!/Omniscience combo in legacy though, which makes me sad.
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Jul 7, 2014 17:22
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AgentSythe posted:Play a Skill Borrower. Have a Kiki-Jiki on top of your library. Win the game.
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Jul 12, 2014 04:23
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Having an aggro deck whose ideal turn 1 play is "land, artifact that does nothing until next turn, go" isn't super. Also your curve is kinda spread out compared to Merfolk, and you lack the disruption of a deck that could pack Seedtime. Torpor Orb and E1 don't play nice together, which could be a feelbad moment for you if you weren't aware of it. You need some Guttural Response in the board probably, and if you're playing stompy there's no reason not to run 8 fetches and 12 forests (which also gives you access to white mana via Temple Garden for RiP/other good hate)
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Jul 15, 2014 18:36
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Aston posted:Thanks for the ideas guys. Compulsive Research definitely seems like the kind of thing I'm after. If you're running prophetic prism, why not Kaervek's Torch or even Fireball to make it old school? Also, I'm assuming you meant Sage's Row Denizen not Court Street Denizen.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:34
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Really stupid question, and I probably know the answer, but let's say I have Kormus bell in play making all swamps 1/1 creatures. I use Ashnod's Transmogrant's activated ability targeting an opponent's swamp making it an artifact creature. I can then cast Splinter targeting the swamp because it is an artifact, and exile all the swamps from their library. Unless I'm missing something obscure that works right? Yep. No need to even dip into legacy cards, either, Liquimetal Coating should get there just fine.
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Jul 15, 2014 23:39
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suicidesteve posted:They usually keep up a fetch for Dryad Arbor for that. If they're intentionally slowing themselves down by keeping a land untapped that doesn't make mana, to go fetch another land that is essentially a tapland, then they're slower than Affinity, so enjoy your free win.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:56
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Lol, PTQ Nagoya just got taken down by Tarmofinity Step 1: Create Tier 1 Deck Step 2: Add Tarmogoyf Snacksmaniac posted:I don't see goyf in that list? Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Jul 22, 2014 16:56
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AnacondaHL posted:So, next up... jamming Goyf into Gr Tron? Tarmogoyf serves the admirable purpose of blocking opposing Tarmogoyfs forever, so.....
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Jul 22, 2014 17:39
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Shavnir posted:Want to trade? Last time I played modern I ran into three 8rack decks. 8rack isn't even cheap to build between the Ensnaring Bridges, Liliana of the Veil and various $5 uncommons like Inquisition of Kozilek, plus the marsh flats for Godless Shrine for your sideboard goodies
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Jul 24, 2014 17:51
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BXCX posted:RW Prison: Creeping Corrosion, Unravel the Aether, Beast Within
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Jul 24, 2014 20:56
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Why not run fracturing gusts instead of creeping corrosion? Hits enchantments as well as artifacts, and it works well against affinity because you can wait for them to activate their manlands. It costs 5 EDIT: It costs 5 and he's playing Green Stompy, which usually wants to win on turn 4.
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Jul 24, 2014 21:53
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Boco_T posted:Rule of Law or Ethersworn Canonist or Eidolon of Rhetoric will stop Living End, as well as shutting down Storm. Also, Rest in Peace will stop them from getting back the creatures they're cycling. Yeah, RIP has a lot more utility and also forces them to find Beast Within before they can even start cycling to get ahead (possibly making them cycle for no value). It also beats Storm, turns off Goyf and makes Pod have to win the hard way. Rest in Peace is A Good Card.
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Jul 26, 2014 21:53
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Going to States tomorrow, taking Finkelstorm. Getting last minute cold feet, my board looks like this currently:
How can I win through graveyard hate other than storm's default plan of "make them have it" and how tech-y is throwing in some Mizzium Skins?
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Aug 1, 2014 17:45
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suicidesteve posted:I shouldn't even be giving advice to someone playing Storm of all decks (I sure do love playing 2 turns in a round of Legacy. That's exactly why I bought $3000 worth of cards.) but Shattering Spree gets around Chalice and is arguably better against Affinity. It avoids their Spell Pierce if they play it. I took the thread's advice and removed the Hurkyl's for an even 1/1/1 of Shattering Spree, Shatterstorm and Wear/Tear. I just can't give up that instant-speed goodness that Wear/Tear brings to the table, since all-in on an Inkmoth Nexus is just too much. EDIT: So it does Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Aug 1, 2014 |
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Aug 1, 2014 21:54
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JerryLee posted:What makes Grafdigger's Cage such garbage against Dredge? Is it just the fact that it can get removed and, once it does, the dredge player is fully equipped to come back? Bridge From Below doesn't actually make creatures come into play from the graveyard, so you can just dredge away and make zombies at will. Sure, you can't dread return flame-kin zealot, but in Vintage you have Bazaar so you just do it on their end step, untap and win.
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Aug 2, 2014 01:41
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legoman727 posted:how are you even casting Myr Superion in that deck. Could bring in a Dryad Arbor or two if you need a better way to cast him 
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Aug 13, 2014 16:37
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ungulateman posted:I have no idea what possessed me to come up with this, but I figured I'd share: Esper Geist Midrange. It's some unholy combination of B/W tokens, U/W/R midrange and purestrain jank. Mana Leak is probably better than Remand here.
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Aug 14, 2014 01:58
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