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drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

quote:

How do I get started?
The current starter set for 7th Edition is the Dark Vengeance set. At $99USD it comes with a wealth of awesome Dark Angel and Chaos models, all incredibly-detailed and capable of being assembled without glue. In addition, it comes with nice extras such as a compact 7th Edition rulebook (all you’d be missing from the full version is the extra fluff and hobby sections),

Wait, I thought Dark Vengeance still came with the 6th mini-rule book, and just had a sticker or something warning you about that.

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drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

ijyt posted:

Alternatively, I may be the only (soon to be) 'nid player in my entire area.

Woah, woah, everything in battleforged armies scores? And unbound armies can't score? Do dataslates/codices still overrule the BRB, because my planned unbound "the ground is made of lava so you better have some wings" tyranid army with skyblight formation might have just become null and void.

e: Alternatively I can Force Org it with some Shrikes and just bump it to 2000 points.

I haven't read the rules (I'm not going to my LGS and paying full price for this poo poo, I'll wait for the mini-book), but I thought the rumor of unbound armies not scoring had been frabricated. Everyone scores, but battleforged troops get objective secured (and skyblight gargoyles).

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

SUPER NEAT TOY posted:

As in it's now a situational thing to have your Guardsman do to Tac squads and not guardsman straight out of Cannon Fodder Weekly somehow being the equivalent of a squad of Eldar snipers with like a thousand years combined experience, yes. It was never going to be 'every model can freely allocate hits' and if you thought it was I don't know what to tell you.

Can you re-phrase this in English?

Edit:vvvv thanks!

drgnvale fucked around with this message at 20:51 on May 24, 2014

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Well, I ended up buying this dumb book while I was out to lunch. I've already planned to play a few 7th edition games tonight and one tomorrow, so I figured I should probably read some of the rules ahead of time.

If nothing else, this rules book is well organized.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Thats a cool vomit marine.

I played a couple of games so far this weekend, one with some co-workers and one with my normal space wolves opponent.

Both games were pretty fun, but loving long. Both at 1500 points, the first was my ultramarines vs 750 points each of orkz and chaos marines. Took 4.5 hours, and was pretty swingy until my thunderfire cannon was killed and the rest of the ork boyz swept across my table half. My chapter master on a bike wiped out one large group and outran the second, but was a few inches short of linebreaker, so we tied at 8 points (mostly due to objectives).

The second game was the same army, but I called them alpha legion so I could have the librarian summon daemons, vs space wolves. This game took a lot longer since my opponent hadn't read through the rules yet so we spent a lot of time looking things up. We rolled the mission where you can score the other player's 'capture' objective cards, and I won 22-4 due to really good objective rolls. This game was also swingy with respect to who was removing move models each game turn, but I was up by ~10 vp by the end of turn 2. I rolled bad spells on the daemonology table, in that I don't own/didn't bring the right models (heralds and chariots), but I was able to summon in 10 fleshhounds over the course of the game with no perils. The summoning is fun, so I could see making a chaos marine army to summon in some backup, but given the models I own, I'd only plan on summoning in a couple of units of flesh hounds or bloodletters, and then if I get lucky turn into a bloodthirster and get into melee as fast as I can.

Lots of words, 40k is still as fun as it was last week, but probably only if you don't care about winning.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Two Feet From Bread posted:

:siren::siren::siren::siren::siren:
If there are no takers on the full lot then I will post the SA Mart thread on Monday at 5PM Central Standard Time

Ugh, I'm going to be in the middle of house buying nonsense and there's no way I'll get any of the good stuff :( There's a lot of good stuff.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

BULBASAUR posted:

I know I'm late to the party on this, but I just checked out the digital version of 7th on a friends tablet. It's my first experience with a digital copy.

The quality is... terrible. I'm at a loss for how you can justify it over the print version. 60 USD for this poorly formatted copy paste bullshit? Kawaii Hitler does not approve.

I got burned on the tyranid ebook edition; I'll never buy another ebook from GW. The ipad editions on the other hand are fairly great, but I'm not willing to pay more than the paper codex for those.

Edit: Whoops, didn't realize you meant the ibooks version. If the quality of those have tanked, then I'm sad.

drgnvale fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jun 22, 2014

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Improbable Lobster posted:

There was also that one terrible live action Warhammer film from years ago with the Genestealers

Was this the german fan-film that was basically a dark heresy larp?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Improbable Lobster posted:

Nah, this was much older and official. IIRC it was made out of a demo reel edited into a short film after a movie project feel through. It had a terribly generic name and I can't seem to find it on youtube anymore.

E: Found one thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZBplpT3Iy4

E2: Oh poo poo, found the long one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClfhBZR9-As

wow, that's terrible even for the 90s.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Fix posted:

Halfway through 9th Ed. December 2015.

Also, WolfKnight.

Hi Fix, sell me some space marines please!

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Rules question: In the past, a unit that had markerlights could not benefit from them itself in the same turn, since all guns were fired together. Has this changed in 7th?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

ghetto wormhole posted:

Oh hey they finally updated Codex: Inquisition for 7th edition. Not much changed besides the fact that inquisitors and psyker henchmen can only generate from sanctic daemonology.

I don't feel like unpacking my ipad; do they peril on any doubles or just 6s when using sanctic daemonology?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Speckled Jim posted:

Gold chat time. Who can reccomend a good gold metallic. I have gehennas gold and auric gold from the citadel range, but they are impossible to keep from seperating. In fact i havnt used them in a few months, i wouldnt be surprised if theyre beyond useless now.

I have two pots of whatever gold used to come in the citadel starter set (the one with 5 mono-pose ultramarines) and they have lasted for 3 years with no issues. I'll be sad if the new citadel line is so poor that the metallics fail after a couple of months, because both pots are about 2/3 empty.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

BULBASAUR posted:

Is it me or does the new bundle include 'the rules' book from the 7th edition rule bundle thing?

The new Dark Vengeance or the new space wolves/ork box? Both should include The Rules (in mini-book form I think)

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
I'm kinda bummed about this ork/space wolves set being limited edition. I wonder why GW thought they'd make more money doing a limited print run of these instead of making something for the people that already had dark vengeance. Maybe they thought no one would buy the re-released dark vengeance if there was another "starter" box around?

In any case, I'm bummed because this would give me a good chance to paint some space wolves that I'd otherwise never buy and give some additional orks to sit in a box with my AoBR ork sprues.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Huh, so despite a lot of the independent retailers being sold out of the stormclaw thing, the nearby GW had a ton in stock so I grabbed one while out getting new house stuff. I wish I could return my full rulebook box now; a mini rulebook is so much more convenient and I'll never look at the other two books.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

serious gaylord posted:

And since only 10 stores in the entire uk received more than 1 of those stormclaw boxes, I'm not sure where the 'they had loads' has come from too.

My "local" GW (FreewayV) had at least 3-4 on the shelf (might have been up to 7, but I don't want to oversell it based on a 30 second memory) and their facebook page had claimed they already sold some that morning. I'll have to ask how many Card Kingdom got the next time I'm back in Ballard.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

DJ Dizzy posted:

Reading the SW rumours makes me sad. Grey Hunter supposedly losing their chainswords :negative:

Are we looking at September for the next 40k codex?

I have 0 stake in space wolves (aside from the models I bought to paint and that my most regular opponent runs them), but I really hope GW doesn't invalidate common models here, I'd hate for them to push more players out. It's getting annoying to find games.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Strength of Many posted:

Anyone in the Seattle-Tacoma area play 40k? I just moved and i'm looking for a place that actually hosts wargames.

So far all I've found has been tiny storefronts with the occasional MtG group..

I've lived here in Seattle for a few years, and I've managed to play 40k at exactly two stores, one of which doesn't seem to exist anymore.

When I play 40k in public, I typically do so on Sundays at Card Kingdom in Ballard. They have 4 nice tables with a good selection of terrain, but even on GW day (Sunday) you will have to compete against warmachine/hordes players for a spot. I also play at co-workers houses, and hopefully soon at my own house.

Feel free to PM me if you want to meet up for a game sometime!

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Well, I guess my space wolves opponent will be getting one (or more) of these for sure; he hates my biker chapter master's ability to tank his vindicators with a passion (to the point where I've been thinking of leaving him at home, even though I love the dawn of war 2 feeling I get using him).

Did someone in this thread post the actual text of the helfrost rule and I just missed it, or are we all trying to read under the lovely MS paint obscuring of the leaked images? Is it a strength test on unsaved wounds? Do wounds prevented by feel no pain still count as unsaved?

Edit: If he does start bringing these, I guess I won't feel bad at all about bringing the biker CM, and maybe I'll grab him a biker command squad (with a token librarian or chaplain to unlock them) to run around with.

drgnvale fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 22, 2014

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Yeah, that'll gently caress up my chapter master good on the times it manages to get through, but it'll be fairly easy to avoid given how fliers move. I like that it'll force me to make decisions on whether to get stuck in CC or try to move and hide, whereas right now my CM just kinda goes where he wants and acts like an rear end in a top hat to any units he feels like. God drat I love that unit.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
I kind of like the way it looks. I'm tempted to buy one to go with the stormclaw wolves I picked up over the weekend... this is how armies start :sigh:

So compared to the Storm Raven, the transport version has the remove from play gun, more model capacity (I think; my SM codex is still packed up) and looks more like a dog.

The Storm Raven is cheaper, has access to 1-2 storm talon escorts, and doesn't it have a dangerous way of dropping off troops without going into hover? I really hope my Space Wolves buddy gets at least one of these so I can start fielding more fliers without ruining the fun.

Edit: vvv Oh yeah! Man, if I field that thing I'm going to find an extra 100 pts to drop a normal dread down. I need to play an apocalypse size game so I can bring all of my toys.

Edit 2: Ugh, even 3000 points is not enough to field all of the space marine stuff I want to use.

drgnvale fucked around with this message at 06:28 on Jul 23, 2014

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

NTRabbit posted:

I don't think the craters or green fields ones are particularly pretty, but I have the arctic one and the wastelands one and they're both aces, and the city one is quite detailed.

The zuzzy ones are going to look better on account of being 3d textured latex, but at the same time you need to go to some effort to paint them yourself to get there.

Also the smell of the Frontline ones is like new car smell :kimchi:, while I heard the zuzzy ones smell like :vomarine:

I'd really like to see the arctic one in person; that was going to be my kickstarter reward but I ended up going with the city map because the weird curves on the arctic one seemed to be trying to imply a depth that wouldn't be reflected on the table-top. There are similar problems with the city one (curbs, places that would obviously be raised in the center) but I'll be covering some of them up with buildings and what-not. The arctic one just looks, to me, like there's a deep valley on one side from the pictures.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

xtothez posted:

Good news! The Valedor warzone book included some rules for Tyranid terrain, specifically Capillary Towers, Spore Chimneys and Digestion Pools.

Bad news! GW managed to completely invalidate the rules for Capillary Towers literally within _1 week_ of release by immediately following it with the new 7th edition rules.

What is/was the rule for the towers, and how did 7th invalidate them?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

JerryLee posted:

Perhaps obvious, but if it's the redesigns you don't care for, have you considered trawling ebay for the originals?

I'm a big fan of the axe based ones; the old metal ones with swords were kinda ok, but I prefer the new plastics to those. The axe ones are by far the best.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Ugh I love this new space wolf transport ship. I know some people in this thread hated it, but I like the idea of a space longboat rolling up and dropping out some space vikings, and it looks like something that could exist in 40k and accomplish that purpose.

I still haven't opened my stormclaw box, but I'm really tempted to buy one of the new kits and make a small allied group that I'd never use but could have fun painting and pushing around on my desk making airplane noises.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Fix posted:

If anyone else is looking for one of those plasma balls, I ordered too many and have a couple extra. Probably limited to the US though or else shipping gets dumb.

Why wasn't this in your thread :mad:

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Fix posted:

Appreciated, but I can probably get it domestic for less than shipping.

I might have one of the normal cadian ones that isn't already glued onto a man. I'll try to look around tonight.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
Yes! New thread title!

I'm really looking forward to the financial results. It'll be interesting to see how they assign blame for bad financials, but I guess they might hide a lot of it under the new website.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Hollismason posted:

They really need a new "motiff" or something for Blood Angels, I just find the current stuff boring. However Mephiston is still incredible.

I wanted to make a joke about going all in on vampires to compensate for shifting the space wolves back to vikings from werewolves, but :effort:

I do hope they do more for the Blood Angels to differentiate them from vanilla Marines; right now they might as well be a big codex supplement.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Ghost Hand posted:

Easier to assemble than the metal one.

I haven't had to assemble a metal one, but the finecast one went together well except for the bits along the barrel. I think some hot water would solve that. I've heard tales of having to shave the metal one or heat and reshape it in the fires of my doom, so id guess finecast us better. Ill be assembling a second one soon, so ill know if I got lucky the first time.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
I too wish they had done blood angels before space wolves because I have about 30 assault marines I'd love to turn into a BA allied detatchment. Ultramarine assault marines don't seem very good, but I guess they would get one turn of fleet.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Creepy Goat posted:

Today I made a Captain and then painted him. He came out as the best painted miniature I've ever done :neckbeard:



Army so far:



I like it! The pose is great; are those assault marine legs? I didn't notice the cape at first because I was busy trying to guess what all of the bits are. Which bit is the cape?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
I really should build some sternguards; I have the 5 old metal ones and two still on sprue plastic kits. Its hard to find the points for things with space marines :(

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Uroboros posted:

Thanks, I wasn't sure if the whirlwind being a vehicle and cheaper made it more worth while. Everything I've read seems to confirm that terminators are overpriced. From what I gather the whole point of having Calgary in his special armor is to teleport homer the terminators right into combat. If this isn't worth it is even worth taking the armor? Is a Stormraven worth taking if I don't plan on transporting anything, or would I be better off doubling up on Stormtalons?

My concern was that if the stern guard fail to destroy their targets I wouldn't have much left to kill armor.

Another question. What are everyone's thoughts on Damned Legionaires?

I wouldn't take Calgar in terminator armor unless I wanted him to run around with assault marines, and even then it'd only be if I wanted to pull in other deep striking units. He's already got a 2+ armor save, so what's the point?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
I'm finally getting around to building my stormraven (I bought this around the time the flyer expansion came out since the rumor was vanilla marines would be able to use it). I had originally planned to magnetize the turret so I could swap between the lascannon and assault cannon, but now it feels like it'll be too much effort.

Help me decide between the lascannon and the other options please. I had assumed I'd always take the lascannons because then I could put out some long range hurt on other flyers while letting my stormtalon(s) deal with shooting things in the back with an assault cannon. But maybe the lascannons aren't the best choice. For what it's worth, none of the people I play regularly use many flyers or AV13 tanks, but I assume my space wolves opponent will run at least two of the new transport/gunship.

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Pacheeco posted:



Just magnetize the turret.

Yeah; I thought it'd be easier to magnetize and keep the rod in place, but I don't have the right size magnets for that. I'll probably just do something similar to what you have (assuming you also have the shrouds done, because I'm keeping those shrouds).

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!

Raphus C posted:

What the hell is that? Excerpts from the next 40k movie?

I wasn't able to watch the whole thing (it's a 30 minute play for crying out loud), but it's pretty well put together. I want to know what happens to long haird blond girl; does she make it into the SoB? Does she avenge her commissar boyfriend against the eldar, orks and tau?

drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

A sword is not cutlery!
As long as we're asking for list advice, how does this look for 1850?
code:
+++ 1850 painted  (1849pts) +++
+++ 1850pt Space Marines: Codex (2013),Inquisition: Codex (2013) Roster +++
+++ (Combined Arms Detachment, Inquisitorial Detachment)) +++

Selections:
Space Marines: Codex (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) Selections:
+ (No Category) + (225pts)
    * Chapter Tactics
        Ultramarines

    * Command Squad (225pts) 
        3x Bolt Pistol, Company Standard (15pts), Frag and Krak Grenades,
        3x Plasma Gun (45pts), Power Armour, Space Marine Bikes (35pts),
        3x Veteran (60pts)
        * Apothecary (35pts) 
            Bolt Pistol, Chainsword
        * Company Champion (35pts) 
            (Honour or Death)
            Combat Shield, Power Sword

+ HQ + (360pts)
    * Chapter Master (250pts)
        Artificer Armor (20pts), Bike (20pts), The Shield Eternal (50pts),
        Thunder Hammer (30pts)

    * Librarian (110pts)  (Codex: Space Marines p80)
        Mastery Level 2 (25pts)
        * Power Armour (20pts) 
            Force Sword, Space Marine Bike (20pts)

+ Troops + (630pts)
    * Bike Squad (Troops) (140pts) 
        2x Grav-gun (30pts) (Graviton), 4x Space Marine Biker (84pts)
        * Biker Sergeant (26pts) 
            Bolt pistol, Melta Bombs (5pts)

    * Scout Squad (70pts) 
        Camo Cloaks (10pts), 4x Scouts (44pts), 4x Sniper Rifle (4pts)
        * Scout Sergeant (12pts) 
            Sniper Rifle (1pts)

    * Tactical Squad (210pts) 
        Plasma Cannon (15pts), Plasma Gun (15pts), Rhino (35pts),
        9x Space Marine (126pts)
        * Space Marine Sergeant (19pts) 
            Bolt pistol, Bolter, Melta Bombs (5pts)

    * Tactical Squad (210pts) 
        Plasma Cannon (15pts), Plasma Gun (15pts), Rhino (35pts),
        9x Space Marine (126pts)
        * Space Marine Sergeant (19pts) 
            Bolt pistol, Bolter, Melta Bombs (5pts)

+ Fast Attack + (250pts)
    * Stormtalon Gunship (125pts)
        Skyhammer Missile Launcher (15pts), Twin-Linked Assault Cannon

    * Stormtalon Gunship (125pts) 
        Skyhammer Missile Launcher (15pts), Twin-Linked Assault Cannon

+ Heavy Support + (240pts)
    * Predator (140pts) 
        Lascannons (40pts), Twin-Linked Lascannons (25pts)

    * Thunderfire Cannon (100pts) 
        

Inquisition: Codex (2013) (Inquisitorial Detachment) Selections:

+ HQ + (144pts)
    * Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (72pts) 
        (Independent Character, Stubborn)
        Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour (8pts),
        Psyk-out Grenades (*), 3x Servo Skulls (9pts) (*)
        * Psyker (Mastery Level 1) (30pts) 


    * Ordo Xenos Inquisitor (72pts) 
        (Independent Character, Stubborn)
        Bolt Pistol, Force Sword, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour (8pts),
        Psyk-out Grenades (*), 3x Servo Skulls (9pts) (*)
        * Psyker (Mastery Level 1) (30pts) 

Its Ultramarines because that's what I have painted; I'd probably be better served with White Scars or Ravenguard but I'm not repainting them.

The risks I can see are that the storm talons may not come on quickly enough to be effective AA, and I'm pretty light on anti-tank outside of them. My predator will have a giant target painted on him for sure. The giant bike group could also get tied up by a horrible tar pit, but I'm hoping the bike troops can screen some of that out. The chapter master will probably join up with the librarian and command squad (you can have multiple ICs join a unit, right?) and then I'll probably go telepathy looking for invisibility. One of the inquisitors will hang back to give prescience to the TFC who should be hiding somewhere, and the other will probably sit with one of the plasma cannon tac squads in ruins or a forest.

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drgnvale
Apr 30, 2004

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Someone in this thread mentioned using washes mixed with medium to bring down basecoats; can that person go into more detail? I'm working on an ultramarines storm raven and after basecoating with ultramarine spray primer, I washed one of the canopys in drakawhatever nightshade (which is what I do with all of my ultramarines) to get a darker tone and the color is right but it's way too splotchy. On a marine you can just make sure pools are in good spots, but on a vehicle with giant flat sections it seems like you need to make sure there is no pooling at all. If I can't figure out how to make it nice and even, I'll probably just paint over it with my remaining dark blue foundation paint and be sad that it's all gone. But that'll take so long and I might run out before finishing, so I'd much rather figure out how to use the wash.

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