Post 9-11 User posted:

Dakkajets? That Games Workshop published rules for the Flyin' 'Eadbutt absolves them of many sins. That rule... loving incredible.

The Sisko posted:

That was what actually inspired me to do this. I'm thinking of aping the concept of one of Dave's campaigns. They also are what turned me onto the Death world table.

Friendly Fire posted:

The Mig 15 is another good Dakkajet conversion base.

CyberLord XP posted:

What are you on about?

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Flyin' Eddbutt: If a Karnage Swadron moves over an enemy Super-heavy Walker or Gargantuan Creature in its Movement phase, then one or more of the Dakkajets that moved over it may perform a Flyin' Eddbutt. Remove the Dakkajets that are making Flyin' Eddbutts from play. Then, for each Dakkajet removed, place a large blast marker over the target and scatter it 2D6". Units touched by this blast marker take D3+1 Strength 10 AP2 hits unsing Random Allocation. ...

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Ork Dakkajet pilots are notorious for their suicidal unpredictability, their wild flight paths making them extremely hard to target. It is the Orks' staggering inability to back down from a challenge, however, that makes their Karnage Swadrons especially dangerous. Every flyboy worth his goggles knows the drill - when faced with something that dakka just won't krump, get on a collision course and go full throttle. Many a Princeps's last sight has been a spinning Dakkajet diving gracelessly toward their Titan's bridge in a manoeuvre the flyboyz call, 'da flyin' eddbutt.'

Post 9-11 User posted:

panascope posted:

Thunderfire Cannons are so much better than Whirlwinds it's not even funny. I really don't like Whirlwinds though. Honestly the worst part of your list is the Terminators. They're expensive, they don't do much, and they could be a Stormtalon or Stormraven instead.

Hollismason posted:

The Legionaries are a pretty decent drop in and burn unit from what I understand, I understand they can deepstrike ( I think reroll), fire 3 Melta Weapons, Meltagun, MultiMelta, Combimelta, and are relentless and ignore cover.

Uroboros posted:

Calgary in his special armor

Uroboros posted:

Thanks, I wasn't sure if the whirlwind being a vehicle and cheaper made it more worth while. Everything I've read seems to confirm that terminators are overpriced. From what I gather the whole point of having Calgary in his special armor is to teleport homer the terminators right into combat. If this isn't worth it is even worth taking the armor? Is a Stormraven worth taking if I don't plan on transporting anything, or would I be better off doubling up on Stormtalons?

My concern was that if the stern guard fail to destroy their targets I wouldn't have much left to kill armor.

Another question. What are everyone's thoughts on Damned Legionaires?

panascope posted:

Having played against Thunderfire Cannons for the first time just now, let me say: gently caress Thunderfire Cannons. Against my sweet AV13 wall of Necron vehicles he just poo poo out a few of the dangerous terrain shots and immobilized 2 of my vehicles on the first turn. Catacomb Command Barges are sick as gently caress now. Being able to direct the easy or unlikely poo poo (S6-7 weaponry) against the CCB is rad and having a Phase Shifter on the Overlord to tank the dangerous poo poo (melta weapons) is really awesome.

drgnvale posted:

I wouldn't take Calgar in terminator armor unless I wanted him to run around with assault marines, and even then it'd only be if I wanted to pull in other deep striking units. He's already got a 2+ armor save, so what's the point?

7thBatallion posted:

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CyberLord XP posted:

Everyday I find a new reason to love being an Ork player.

Uroboros posted:

Exactly my point, he was saying terminators aren't worth it, which was the primary reason to bring the armor. If I ditch the terminators is there anything else that would be a suitable replacement, and can arrive in the thick of it? If not I can see why he suggested to just grab flyers and call it a day. Again my concern is if I'm dropping two groups of stern guards + Calgar to do some tank busting am I boning myself by not having terminators on standby to finish any armor they can't handle? Not to mention if I'm dropping those stern guard close to his guys to get the melta bonus I can assume I'm just asking to be assaulted. If Calgar isn't going in a drop pod with the stern guard to teleport in more reinforcements, is he worth putting in there to begin with?

Hollismason posted:

Storm Talon is pretty awesome, I'd get one of those.

What's Marneus do again anyway?

Hollismason posted:

I remember him doing something special for the army but I can't remember what. Something to do with their drills that the Ultramarines have.

Creepy Goat posted:

Oh cool, they're pretty much the only reason I subscribe to MWG. I'm not into the whole competitive aspect so I only really enjoy the progressive narrative stuff, it's tough to find people with a fully painted collection who will commit though. This guy on Dakka ran a couple of awesome campaigns, they're fun to read as well as providing a bit of inspiration for setting/gameplay.

drgnvale posted:

I'm finally getting around to building my stormraven (I bought this around the time the flyer expansion came out since the rumor was vanilla marines would be able to use it). I had originally planned to magnetize the turret so I could swap between the lascannon and assault cannon, but now it feels like it'll be too much effort.

Help me decide between the lascannon and the other options please. I had assumed I'd always take the lascannons because then I could put out some long range hurt on other flyers while letting my stormtalon(s) deal with shooting things in the back with an assault cannon. But maybe the lascannons aren't the best choice. For what it's worth, none of the people I play regularly use many flyers or AV13 tanks, but I assume my space wolves opponent will run at least two of the new transport/gunship.

Pacheeco posted:

Just magnetize the turret.

drgnvale posted:

Yeah; I thought it'd be easier to magnetize and keep the rod in place, but I don't have the right size magnets for that. I'll probably just do something similar to what you have (assuming you also have the shrouds done, because I'm keeping those shrouds).

The Sisko posted:

So I'm thinking of throwing together a campaign for me and my little brother to play out. It will be my first campaign and it will be CSM versus Space Marines. To that end I have bought the altar of war missions for both CSM and SM, kill team, and I found a PDF of the death world rules. From these I'll probably pick the missions that will suit the narrative I eventually come up with. Are there any other resources I could use to help build missions?

Ghost Hand posted:

http://theindependentcharacters.com/blog/?p=3512

You can also look here at the campaign I ran for my group (it ended up failing because too many of the player that play the most were on one side). But the concepts and such are all solid.

http://epicempires.com/campaign/viewforum.php?f=27&sid=aff7103c93622c3340807a4353dc7f04

I would also highly recommend the campaign system in the Imperial Armour 12: The Fall of Orpheus (though it is the system the campaign above is based on)

Uroboros posted:

Thanks, I wasn't sure if the whirlwind being a vehicle and cheaper made it more worth while. Everything I've read seems to confirm that terminators are overpriced. From what I gather the whole point of having Calgary in his special armor is to teleport homer the terminators right into combat. If this isn't worth it is even worth taking the armor? Is a Stormraven worth taking if I don't plan on transporting anything, or would I be better off doubling up on Stormtalons?

My concern was that if the stern guard fail to destroy their targets I wouldn't have much left to kill armor.

Another question. What are everyone's thoughts on Damned Legionaires?

LingcodKilla posted:

As Im sitting here clipping up models off sprues I'm wondering what the max unit size for Ork helicopters is now. Do they still have an option for a buzz saw?

drgnvale posted:

Help me decide between the lascannon and the other options please. I had assumed I'd always take the lascannons because then I could put out some long range hurt on other flyers while letting my stormtalon(s) deal with shooting things in the back with an assault cannon. But maybe the lascannons aren't the best choice. For what it's worth, none of the people I play regularly use many flyers or AV13 tanks, but I assume my space wolves opponent will run at least two of the new transport/gunship.

LingcodKilla posted:

As Im sitting here clipping up models off sprues I'm wondering what the max unit size for Ork helicopters is now. Do they still have an option for a buzz saw?

AbusePuppy posted:

Calgar does basically three things: he gives you the extra Doctrine use/warlord traits as a general army utility thing; he lets your whole army (not just units within 12", as someone else said) choose whether they pass or fail morale checks; and he unlocks multiple Honor Guard while being a bit of a beatstick himself. Like a lot of the characters like him, if you want to use him effectively, you really need to be taking good advantage of at least two of those abilities, otherwise it's hard to really justify his cost. The Teleport Homer he carries is definitely a plus, but I wouldn't focus on it overmuch- other characters can get it as well, so it's really not particularly unique to him.

Calgar costs a lot. Too much, realistically, but being that he is pretty super cool it's sometimes worth trying to make him fit into a list. However, doing that means taking advantage of his unique abilities, which can be a bit tough.

Stormtalons are generally better AA units than Stormravens- the Stormraven has the advantage of being tougher and able to deliver a Troop squad to somewhere late in the game, but point-for-point the Stormtalon will almost always outshoot it. The fact that the Stormtalon's turret rotates all the way around is extremely hand, as it allows you to fly over enemy aircraft and shoot them in their weaker rear armor. Skyhammer Missiles are the preferred loadout, although others aren't horrible. The formation (2 Skytalon + 1 Stormraven, they all have Strafing Run) can also be handy in larger games where you can afford to sink some points into units that aren't starting on the board.

You might consider adding some heavy weapons, in particular Lascannons, to your Tactical squads in order to give you a bit more anti-tank punch. You are a little shy there, although not horribly so; shoring it up wouldn't be bad. Combat Squads is really great for Tacticals, because it lets you station half the unit in the backfield to shoot with or cram both halves into the tank and still ride together while shooting at different targets.

Legion of the Damned are actually a reasonably solid unit these days- they're fairly tough, Ignores Cover is a fantastic rule, they're no slouches in close combat, and they have Relentless heavy weapons that Deep Strike in anywhere you need them. You could easily incorporate 1-2 squads of them, although like Sternguard they can get expensive quick; also remember that, since they start in reserve, they can put you at a firepower disadvantage to start off with.

Uroboros posted:

Is it really worth adding heavy weapons into my tactical squads in order to split them up? It seems like if I chuck a Lascannon into a tactical squad I'll just have 4 marines sitting in the rear field doing nothing but baby sitting this one lascannon. I see your point for needing more anti-armor, but would I just be better off using my last heavy support slot for devastators or a tri-las predator. I do appreciate the advice so far, all my reasoning is pretty much based on how I understand the game as opposed to actually having played, so I am sure certain things will become more clear to me once I get some under my belt. Also, when it comes to buying Lascannons to equip my tacticals I assume I have to buy devastator packs, and that these will only come with a single lascannon. Is there a more effective way to do this without burning money unnecessarily?