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SweetBro posted:Parents dead. Can't drink away the pain. 'MURICA! A legal guardian could do the same, and in general someone else's parents are entitled to authorize the drinking as well.
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Nintendo Kid posted:A legal guardian could do the same, and in general someone else's parents are entitled to authorize the drinking as well. Last time I checked 18+ don't get assigned legal guardians.
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May 26, 2014 15:52
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SweetBro posted:Last time I checked 18+ don't get assigned legal guardians. I'm sure all 4 people in the country in this particular situation are deeply hurt.
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May 26, 2014 15:56
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Yes, op. In fact, it should be lowered to 13.
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May 26, 2014 16:04
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Why should someone over the age of 18, a legal adult, have to get parental permission for anything?
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May 26, 2014 17:33
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Main Paineframe posted:Why should someone over the age of 18, a legal adult, have to get parental permission for anything? Several states actually set 19 or even 21 as the legal age of majority, so 18 year olds are not legal adults yet.
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May 26, 2014 17:36
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Nintendo Kid posted:Many states let under 21s drink if their parents buy them the alcohol and a few states even let them be served alcohol in bars and restaurants if their parents are with them. How exactly does that work? I thought that in the US your parents generally cease to be your 'guardians' (and lose any legal resonsibility for you) when you turn 18. E: nevermind; should have read the third page
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May 26, 2014 18:40
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If you can get drafted you should be able to be served booze. Either raise the draft age to 21 or lower the drinking age to 18.
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May 27, 2014 02:19
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natetimm posted:If you can get drafted you should be able to be served booze. Either raise the draft age to 21 or lower the drinking age to 18. Noone's been drafted since years before the uniform drinking age became 21.
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May 27, 2014 02:21
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Nintendo Kid posted:Noone's been drafted since years before the uniform drinking age became 21.
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May 27, 2014 02:22
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Alcoholic beverages should be prohibited, though I think for religious freedom purposes religions that use wine as a sacrament can have weak wine, no more than 2% alcohol.
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May 27, 2014 02:27
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Nintendo Kid posted:Noone's been drafted since years before the uniform drinking age became 21. The draft age should really be raised. Frankly, being 18 doesn't make you an adult and you shouldn't be allowed to sign up for the military.
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May 27, 2014 02:30
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Samurai Sanders posted:To me that doesn't mean much unless they get rid of Selective Service for good. I t effectively is gone for good, no one's going to be able to get a draft going unless someone manages to straight up invade the US.
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May 27, 2014 02:41
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Pohl posted:The draft age should really be raised. Frankly, being 18 doesn't make you an adult and you shouldn't be allowed to sign up for the military. Yeah but where would the armed forces be if they couldn't sucker in gullible kids fresh out of high school?
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May 27, 2014 03:09
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Nintendo Kid posted:I t effectively is gone for good, no one's going to be able to get a draft going unless someone manages to straight up invade the US.
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Samurai Sanders posted:You still have to sign up though, right? Even if it's only symbolic of the draft, that's bad enough. It effectively acts as a special yearly census of 18 year old males at this point. You also generally sign up for it as part of applying for various federal aid and the like, so you're signing up anyway.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It effectively acts as a special yearly census of 18 year old males at this point. You also generally sign up for it as part of applying for various federal aid and the like, so you're signing up anyway.
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May 27, 2014 03:24
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Legalize mushrooms at 18, alcohol at 25, military service at 65.
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Rhandhali posted:Yeah but where would the armed forces be if they couldn't sucker in gullible kids fresh out of high school? On the other side of that coin, what will desperately poor kids do if they can't enlist right after high school?  (I know, I know, the correct answer is that it would be far more effective to provide them with real work and training/further education than with running around and being yelled at for four to six years.)
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Nintendo Kid posted:But you can't even rent a car alone without paying ridiculous extra fees until you're 25. I mean, there's a lot of things in US law that you can't do until 21 or older. Except being charged higher fees due to liability, or even being denied service by a private company altogether, is a far cry from the government mandating that a person cannot do something and will be punished with fines or arrest should they do so anyways. Also, due to the way ages are measured in Japan (starting at 1 rather than zero), that age for drinking, smoking, etc in Japan is actually 19. Nintendo Kid posted:Several states actually set 19 or even 21 as the legal age of majority, so 18 year olds are not legal adults yet. What does this actually mean though? The voting age is 18 everywhere, it sounds like one of those "Sodomy is illegal in seven states!" things. If a law is overruled by other laws it's no longer really a law. Sucrose fucked around with this message at 10:06 on May 27, 2014 |
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Spain is a bad example because they have terrible problems from stay-up-all-night culture and Spanish kids have a nightmare reputation among teachers. Sleeping 2 hours in the day doesn't make up for staying up until 2 every day and 6 on party nights. The average dinner time for Spanish families is something insane like midnight. Sleeping 2 hours in the day does not make up that sleep debt. No wonder they drink all day.
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May 27, 2014 10:58
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In many developing countries no legal age to buy alcohol is really enforced. Small children can run to the store with a list from their parents and won't be questioned about the beer or wine they're hauling back in their red wagon. However, it's not like small children would be welcome in bars. I think the western world should adopt this strategy. Let anyone buy it at the store. If teenagers wanna buy booze and go hang out at the cemetery so be it. But still enforce the drinking age at bars.
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Sucrose posted:
It means age of majority, the age of being a full legal adult, is not the same as the age to vote or whatever. As another example, there are some things in Scotland where 16 year old people may vote, but they're definitely not considered an adult.
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Yes it should. If you are old enough to be deployed to a combat zone, vote, perform jury duty, etc you are old enough to take responsibility for your actions and that includes sitting in a bar drinking.
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pentyne posted:Rather then use an anecdote just use raw numbers. I wonder how much of that is also due to increased vehicle safety standards.
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Arglebargle III posted:Spain is a bad example because they have terrible problems from stay-up-all-night culture and Spanish kids have a nightmare reputation among teachers. Sleeping 2 hours in the day doesn't make up for staying up until 2 every day and 6 on party nights. The average dinner time for Spanish families is something insane like midnight. Sleeping 2 hours in the day does not make up that sleep debt. Having just returned from Granada, I think the biggest motivating factor behind the siesta is that it's hot as gently caress in the afternoon. When it's 36 degrees, you're better off just trying to sleep through it. I don't even want to think about how hot that place must get in mid-August. Then, as everything gets adjusted 2-3 hours to make up for it, going to bed at 2 or 6 isn't really that out of the question. In North America, I stay up until midnight or 1 all the time, and often later if I'm out partying or something. Add three hours to that and you get the same result. When you say Spanish kids have a nightmare reputation, do you mean outside of Spain or inside Spain? If the former, then I can see how the transition to a more conventional schedule would cause massive problems in the short term. If it's inside Spain, well, who else are Spanish teachers going to complain about? PT6A fucked around with this message at 16:49 on May 27, 2014 |
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PT6A posted:Having just returned from Granada, I think the biggest motivating factor behind the siesta is that it's hot as gently caress in the afternoon. When it's 36 degrees, you're better off just trying to sleep through it. I don't even want to think about how hot that place must get in mid-August. I have a friend who goes to see family in Egypt every summer and it's basically the same idea there.
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I suppose if the alcohol-related death numbers are unassailable then maybe it does need to be 21 here in the US, but at the same time I don't think it does great things for drinking "culture" among young people. Almost every single experience I had before I was 21 was a binge drinking experience or in an environment of binge drinking.
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Monkey Fracas posted:I suppose if the alcohol-related death numbers are unassailable then maybe it does need to be 21 here in the US, but at the same time I don't think it does great things for drinking "culture" among young people. Almost every single experience I had before I was 21 was a binge drinking experience or in an environment of binge drinking. As long as night club culture is a thing binge drinking will persist. It doesn't really matter anyways as alcohol poisoning is not the most dangerous factor at play here, the drunk driving is. Teron D Amun posted:And at what age do you think people should be able to buy/use weapons? Basically never unless they plan on going hunting. 
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I was under the impression that the real reason for having it at 21 is that you're always going to have some level of illicit drinking, and it's a little less worrisome when it's at college, than when you've got high school freshmen drinking because the seniors have easy access to alcohol. I think that it would be nice to have a healthier culture about it as a whole, but that's not something you can easily change.
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The Lord of Hats posted:I was under the impression that the real reason for having it at 21 is that you're always going to have some level of illicit drinking, and it's a little less worrisome when it's at college, than when you've got high school freshmen drinking because the seniors have easy access to alcohol. I think that it would be nice to have a healthier culture about it as a whole, but that's not something you can easily change. So is it safer when high-schoolers go to frat houses to get their underage drinking on?
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Sucrose posted:Also, due to the way ages are measured in Japan (starting at 1 rather than zero), that age for drinking, smoking, etc in Japan is actually 19. You're confusing Japan and Korea. Japan hasn't measured ages from 1 for the last 60 years. Also, nobody checks ID anywhere, and there's beer vending machines. The drinking age is whenever you learn not to try to buy it while wearing a school uniform.
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ErIog posted:You're confusing Japan and Korea. Japan hasn't measured ages from 1 for the last 60 years. Also, nobody checks ID anywhere, and there's beer vending machines. The drinking age is whenever you learn not to try to buy it while wearing a school uniform. I remember the cigarette and beer vending machines requiring some sort of ID card you had to slot to use them. Maybe that was just in Osaka?
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Rhandhali posted:I remember the cigarette and beer vending machines requiring some sort of ID card you had to slot to use them. Maybe that was just in Osaka? Cigarette vending machines require a Taspo card by law, but beer vending machines don't. I have never seen a beer vending machine require any kind of age verification.
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ErIog posted:Cigarette vending machines require a Taspo card by law, but beer vending machines don't. I have never seen a beer vending machine require any kind of age verification. I'm amazed there are places in the world where beer vending machines are even a thing.
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Xoidanor posted:I'm amazed there are places in the world where beer vending machines are even a thing. They are quite common in the hotels in Japan, generally one on each floor selling all the things a buisness traveler needs.
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Xoidanor posted:I'm amazed there are places in the world where beer vending machines are even a thing. I've only seen them in one country, but, yeah, they're certainly a thing, just like cigarette machines. Assuming they have provisions to prevent underage sale, I don't see the problem.
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KennyTheFish posted:They are quite common in the hotels in Japan, generally one on each floor selling all the things a buisness traveler needs. PT6A posted:I've only seen them in one country, but, yeah, they're certainly a thing, just like cigarette machines. Assuming they have provisions to prevent underage sale, I don't see the problem. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 08:39 on May 28, 2014 |
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PT6A posted:I've only seen them in one country, but, yeah, they're certainly a thing, just like cigarette machines. Assuming they have provisions to prevent underage sale, I don't see the problem. I can say, they are also around in Dublin hotels. Not sure if they require ID, since they were massively over priced and I never used them.
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