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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I know it bothers you, but realtalk: You should put this in bold and italics and maybe use comic sans. Would describe you perfectly.
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Moridin920 posted:the fundamental feature of capitalism is parasitism You mean its ability to separate the weak and valueless of society from the strong and willing? Yes, that is called American Exceptionalism. I have no issue with that. It is why Capitalism is embraced by this country and why that hilarious "Occupy" movement went away.
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May 31, 2014 00:59
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i will be entering college this fall what should i major in???? pls help
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May 31, 2014 00:59
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Avalanche posted:You should put this in bold and italics and maybe use comic sans. Would describe you perfectly. I'm okay with that. Also an avatar and sig of Catbert.
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May 31, 2014 00:59
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I also am an human resources director and virgin who never got to experience college.
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May 31, 2014 01:01
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Trade work is crazy lucrative right now. Depending on your industry, age, experience, and knowledge you can make as little at $14/hr starting to as much as $38/hr. The going rate here is 50 an hour give or take a couple bucks
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May 31, 2014 01:01
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Rhizoids posted:i will be entering college this fall what should i major in???? What is your k-12 experience in. What background do you have. What resources does your family have in placing you into a job after college. If you can answer those questions, you will know what field to get your degree in. If the answer to the above is "none", then just pick a tradeskill and skip college. Woodworking is always in demand.
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May 31, 2014 01:01
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:You mean its ability to separate the weak and valueless of society from the strong and willing? Yes, that is called American Exceptionalism. I have no issue with that. see what I mean? tired gimmick. nobody actually thinks like this irl and is of sound mind. and that's not even what American Exceptionalism means you loving idiot.
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May 31, 2014 01:01
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mookface posted:The going rate here is 50 an hour give or take a couple bucks I'm assuming you are talking for sex work. Tradeskills are a little different, though the effort is probably the same.
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May 31, 2014 01:02
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I'm assuming you are talking for sex work. I'm talking skilled trades sex work pays more
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May 31, 2014 01:04
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:What is your k-12 experience in. What background do you have. What resources does your family have in placing you into a job after college. i dont have any experience/bakcground outside of school and my family doesnt have any money i do really well in school and ive always wanted to be a professor do you think liberal arts degree is ok in this case??? or am i hosed
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May 31, 2014 01:05
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Moridin920 posted:see what I mean? Thats funny, because one of the four pillars of American Exceptionalism is Free-Market Capitalism. You have already said that it exploits people, by your own admission. Therefore, yes, it is exactly what it means. That is what makes America different. We care enough to know what is good for some may not be good for all.
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May 31, 2014 01:05
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Rhizoids posted:i dont have any experience/bakcground outside of school and my family doesnt have any money Liberal arts would get you a job as a "hashtag activist" or a "blog contributor". Get a tradeskill, make good money, have a family, contribute to the economy. Be happy.
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May 31, 2014 01:06
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I know it bothers you, but realtalk: I actually am a millionaire. College educated too. Virgin. So loving what? You like many workers can easily be replaced, with technology. Stop pretending your any different then that fry worker, because in the grande scheme of things you aren't. Well besides the whole tons of education/time/money to learn an equally unnecessary skill. Assholes like you who think everyone has to work have allowed a system where everyone has to/should feel honored for the chance to work to continue to exist, when it doesn't have to be that way. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 01:09
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Thats funny, because one of the four pillars of American Exceptionalism is Free-Market Capitalism. You have already said that it exploits people, by your own admission. Therefore, yes, it is exactly what it means. lol how did you ever make it through high school US history what the poo poo are you even babbling about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
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May 31, 2014 01:09
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I'm assuming you are talking for sex work. How you know sex work rates? Posting craigslist ads for hookers doesnt count as HR DIRECTOR dude
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May 31, 2014 01:09
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what about grad sdchool though...
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:You can certainly blame people coming through the system when they get upset that the liberal arts degree isn't landing them a cushy 50k/year job.
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May 31, 2014 01:10
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Moridin920 posted:lol how did you ever make it through high school US history what the poo poo are you even babbling about It is actually on that very page! In 2012, conservative historians Larry Schweikart and Dave Dougherty argued that American Exceptionalism was based upon four pillars: (1) Common Law; (2) Virtue and morality based in Protestant Christianity; (3) Free-market capitalism; and (4) the sanctity of private property.[79]
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ArbitraryC posted:The thing is even if literally everyone took your advice there wouldn't be enough jobs in those fields for them all to be employed. At the end of the day someone has to staff your restaurants and grocery stores. You can't have people with more wealth than average without people with less wealth than average, mathematically someone has to get the short end of the stick no matter what they do. What is weird is why you hate on lib art degrees so much though? Do you really see absolutely no values in those field? As an engineer/scientist if you're being so lame as to force me to preface my opinion with that before you'll listen to it I feel like liberal arts are incredibly important and worth funding. They are not useless degrees; they are underfunded degrees. It's easy to say that stem fields change the world, but humanities change lives. bro he doesn't understand econ 101 he doesn't even understand US history
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May 31, 2014 01:11
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:It is actually on that very page! Yeah, right there at the bottom after that whole article about how many much smarter people defined the term. Right after that whole 'criticism' and right there under where it says 'Pre-emptive declinism', some conservatives have redefined it!
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May 31, 2014 01:13
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:conservative historians Larry Schweikart and Dave Dougherty lol dude are you a troll or what, you've got to be loving with us
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May 31, 2014 01:13
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Duck and Cover posted:I actually am a millionaire. College educated too. Virgin. So loving what? You like many workers can easily be replaced, with technology. Stop pretending your any different then that fry worker, because in the grande scheme of things you aren't. Well besides the whole tons of education/time/money to learn an equally unnecessary skill. Assholes like you who think everyone has to work have allowed a system where everyone has to work to continue to exist, when it doesn't have to be that way. Technology may replace me, but there will be someone to interface between the technology and the people, and that will be my job. Humans will always work, there will always be work to do. There will always be value created from their effort, and when that value is created, money will be made. That is why people must be working. Life is not worth living unless everyone is working.
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Also the United States doesn't have free market capitalism anymore, we tried that in the 1800s and decided it wasn't really for us.nutranurse posted:lol dude are you a troll or what, you've got to be loving with us Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Technology may replace me, but there will be someone to interface between the technology and the people, and that will be my job. He ramps up the nuts as the threads go on. e: also idk how the pillar of sanctity of private property works with that whole eminent domain law the US has and the fact that much of our land is stolen from others but I'm sure once you jump through the right mental hoops it all makes sense Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 01:14
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ArbitraryC posted:The thing is even if literally everyone took your advice there wouldn't be enough jobs in those fields for them all to be employed. At the end of the day someone has to staff your restaurants and grocery stores. You can't have people with more wealth than average without people with less wealth than average, mathematically someone has to get the short end of the stick no matter what they do. What is weird is why you hate on lib art degrees so much though? Do you really see absolutely no values in those field? As an engineer/scientist if you're being so lame as to force me to preface my opinion with that before you'll listen to it I feel like liberal arts are incredibly important and worth funding. They are not useless degrees; they are underfunded degrees. It's easy to say that stem fields change the world, but humanities change lives. I'm okay if there isn't enough jobs. That has two positive effects. 1) it drives down labor prices, making the US more competitive, creating more jobs, solving the problem. 2) It allows people to have jobs closer to where they live, rather than having to seek jobs further away. Long term, this may solve the horrible commute situation that we face, due to the lack of a trained workforce. #1 complaint that every Director, VP, CEO I have ever met and had meetings with has been the lack of trained or educated employees to hire, even today. That is 100% realtalk by the way.
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Moridin920 posted:He ramps up the nuts as the threads go on. Well, no I could agree with the sentiment that 'life is not worth living if everyone's not working' but I also count making art and books and music and culture-in-general as 'work' (i also think society should strive to make sure everyone's got enough to be happy, regardless of what lovely job they happen to do), he's prolly thinking more along the lines of 'well SOMEONE'S gotta do my landscaping, and it sure as poo poo won't be those last guys I hired, illegals are cheaper'.
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Moridin920 posted:Also the United States doesn't have free market capitalism anymore, we tried that in the 1800s and decided it wasn't really for us. Eminent domain is necessary to prevent the private property from interfering with the capitalism of the country. Please don't be obtuse.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I'm okay if there isn't enough jobs. That has two positive effects. so you want everyone to get degrees, that way the people with degrees see their labor value reduced to what minimum wage workers currently get, and then all the janitors and food service works can just go die I guess because you ignored that bit of the equation. also competition doesn't just automagically create jobs lol you're letting your lack of economics education show here again quote:#1 complaint that every Director, VP, CEO I have ever met and had meetings with has been the lack of trained or educated employees to hire, even today. That is 100% realtalk by the way. yeah well when you hire in India you get what you pay for
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nutranurse posted:Well, no I could agree with the sentiment that 'life is not worth living if everyone's not working' but I also count making art and books and music and culture-in-general as 'work', he's prolly thinking more along the lines of 'well SOMEONE'S gotta do my landscaping, and it sure as poo poo won't be those last guys I hired, illegals are cheaper'. No. Artists and books and music and whatnot are still art as long as someone is paying you to do it. Whether that be through commission, patronage, or buying it direct. The reason is that you should not be a "starving artist" because you are a craftsman.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:I'm okay if there isn't enough jobs. That has two positive effects.
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Eminent domain is necessary to prevent the private property from interfering with the capitalism of the country. Please don't be obtuse. so in your political theory, one pillar is more important than the other
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ArbitraryC posted:man lol you cray cray I'm not gonna touch that. So what, you want...higher wages and fewer jobs as the U.S. continues to have highly-productive workforces that have too high of a value to be competitive with other nations in the globalized economy?
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:So what, you want...higher wages and fewer jobs as the U.S. continues to have highly-productive workforces that have too high of a value to be competitive with other nations in the globalized economy? you want everyone to get degrees and that way the skilled workforce can be paid less and less while all the unskilled labor just gets magically done by robots and that part of the workforce just dies in the streets quietly
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:Technology may replace me, but there will be someone to interface between the technology and the people, and that will be my job. quote:Humans will always work, there will always be work to do. There will always be value created from their effort, and when that value is created, money will be made. That is why people must be working. Life is not worth living unless everyone is working. I don't work, if it'd help I suppose I can send you some razor blades. Less work for all should be the goal, not more. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 01:23 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 01:21
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Moridin920 posted:so in your political theory, one pillar is more important than the other A single person is never more important than the group. If a persons' house is blocking development of a freeway (because Southern California is my favorite whipping boy), the person should receive Fair Market Value for the house, based on a correct and current valuation of the property. That way they are compensated and the project and proceed. Capitalism at its finest. The person can build their life somewhere new, they are made whole, and the country moves forward. No harm done.
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You're just HR. You're expendable. It's not like telling someone they're fired is really a skill only a few possess, let's stop pretending. A monkey could do your job. A monkey with a sign. Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:A single person is never more important than the group. So then why do the few rich people get to run roughshod all over everyone else, in this glorious Capitalist system that sounds suspiciously like Not Capitalism?
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May 31, 2014 01:22
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College is actually worth it for everyone capable of doing the work.
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The underlying point here is that the gap is increasing like wild and that's not really economically viable.
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May 31, 2014 01:23
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Duck and Cover posted:I think a computer can handle firing people. Wait can you debug a program if something goes wrong? No? Yeah you won't be needed. The human condition is to strive. Striving to succeed and do well in the workplace (whatever their choice of work) is a virtue, not a vice. How can you possibly see being idle as a virtue?
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Rhonyn Peacemaker posted:A single person is never more important than the group. If a persons' house is blocking development of a freeway (because Southern California is my favorite whipping boy), the person should receive Fair Market Value for the house, based on a correct and current valuation of the property. That way they are compensated and the project and proceed. Capitalism at its finest. The person can build their life somewhere new, they are made whole, and the country moves forward. No harm done. so you're just one of those 'beep-boop, world's just' types that doesn't understand things like emotions and attachment to your home, or are those things below your pay-grade.
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