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It's IR reforms from another angle. If you cannot access welfare and need any job, then an employer can pay less and have shitter conditions and still have people begging to work. An employeer can pay less and have shitter conditions and employees cannot quit or complain as they cannot access welfare. They use fruit picking as their example, one of the most commonly known exploitive industries.
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Costello was looking 40 years into the future when he sold assets and slashed taxes year in and out. We also need to slash the regulation that shielded us from the worst of the GFC because.........
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Jul 2, 2014 05:39
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/03/revealed-coalition-to-use-national-interest-test-to-deny-permanent-protection-visas?CMP=soc_567quote:The Abbott government has decided to use a new “national interest test” to deny permanent protection visas to refugees who have arrived “illegally” by boat or plane in an attempt to circumvent its stunning loss in the high court last month and implement its policy to refuse permanent settlement to all boat arrivals.
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Jul 3, 2014 07:53
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At this point the only thing that will change policies anytime soon is international pressure/condemnation.
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Jul 3, 2014 12:08
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It's extra  when you consider that people actually risk their lives thinking Australia holds hope for them only to be handed back to the people they are fleeing. Can't risk people dying at sea right.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:39
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Would just pointing at the US and saying "that's what they'd like our health system to be like" be enough to turn anyone off the idea?
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Jul 7, 2014 04:44
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Sanguine posted:It's hard to argue with having 50% of the country refusing to buy private insurance. If 90% of the country has gone 'oh it's inevitable' then painting the story as the lazy 10% dragging down our ~glorious free market system~ is a lot more straight forward. Buying private insurance feels too much like giving the wrong side ammunition. There's a case to be made for private but even now the private system uses Medicare and pushes people to the front of the queue. Private doctor costs are still funded in part by Medicare and things like x-rays and scans are still paid for by Medicare. This guy makes the case that private practice essentially gets a blank check for healthcare as there is no oversight. So the situation is basically poor person goes to doctor, gets told their fine. Private insurance person goes to specialist and gets told their find, but lets get a scan to make sure that medicare pays for.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:05
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/07/australia-asylum-seekers-sri-lanka-sea-transfer?CMP=soc_567Scott Morrison posted:“Accordingly, the government will continue to reject the public and political advocacy of those who have sought to pressure the government into a change of policy. Their advocacy, though well intentioned, is naively doing the bidding of people smugglers who have been responsible for almost 1,200 deaths at sea,” The people smugglers helping Tamils escape are the bad guys and the government handing them back are the good guys.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:12
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Sanguine posted:Now look, there are laws and procedures to follow so if they are really in trouble they'd just put in to their local cop shop for asylum in another country. Picture everything both governments have said and everything that has come out of Scott Morrison's mouth and honestly ask yourself if the same line of reasoning and quotes would be used if a boatload of white Christians arrived.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:19
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Negligent posted:Yes the correct thing to do is register at one of the UNHCR's four offices in Sri Lanka. Australia accepts genuine refugees referred to it by the UNHCR. these people are just opportunists. The government and police would probably leave them alone, knowing they were on Australia's radar, for the decade it would take.
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Jul 7, 2014 06:36
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Negligent posted:So basically the official, correct, legal process takes too long right? The official, correct, legal process actually requires you to be outside of the country you're fleeing before been able to put in an asylum request. If you can make it to a signee and request asylum that is the official, correct and legal process. So yes, we are the ones breaking international law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_relating_to_the_Status_of_Refugees#Innocence_of_refugees_unlawfully_entering_the_country_of_refuge
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Jul 7, 2014 07:18
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Worldwide refugee number is like 50 million, this is a problem the West could solve tomorrow if we had the will.
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Jul 7, 2014 12:52
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"I support the UNHCR and genuine refugees" *ignores UNHCR definition of refugee and international conventions as to who can seek asylum*
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Jul 7, 2014 13:01
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Sure, I'm in favour of unlimited numbers up to the point it becomes an issue. With no limit on numbers, how many refugees do you think can make it here on their own steam?
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Jul 7, 2014 13:04
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Foundry Dancer posted:Have I got this right? Palmer wants to abolish the "carbon tax", but then wants to introduce an emissions trading scheme in its place. But isn't the carbon tax an emissions trading scheme (with a fixed price for the first couple of years)? What am I mising here? ETS is subject to the market. Also whilst Clive wants an ETS he wants the price set at zero.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:55
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Foundry Dancer posted:Yeah, I get that the price under an ETS is determined by the market (it seems like one of the places where a market-based approach can actually be beneficial). But just to be absolutely crystal clear on Palmer's stance, what he wants to do is abolish an ETS and replace it with...an ETS. I know our It's all political. The Libs need to be able to say they repealed the carbon tax otherwise they're going to look bad. Palmer is playing both sides, he can bargain with the Libs so they get to say they axed the tax and can say he's progressive as he helped implement a (non-functioning) ETS. The fact that it would be an ETS anyway is moot, people reading the Herald Sun care about seeing that dead tax headline and that's it. What will be interesting is the response when it does nothing to electricity prices anyway.
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Jul 8, 2014 07:17
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Foundry Dancer posted:If you take it at face value that the Coalition's policy goal is to prevent people from drowning at sea then, no, stopping boats from arriving is not what matters. The point is to stop people from even attempting the voyage in the first place, which clearly is not happening. So, no, the Coalition have comprehensively failed to "stop the boats". The only way to stop the boats is to stop the war and violence and repression that causes people to flee in the first place. Of course that isn't the case though which is why they brag that 0 boats have arrived. For all we know x number turned around could have sunk and unless evidence arises we'd never hear about it from the government even if they had fist had knowledge. At the heart it's a racial issue though, no one gives a poo poo about the Irish backpacker handing them a beer who's been paid under the table or has overstayed their visa.
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Jul 8, 2014 07:27
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Also we spend approximately x10 the cost per person to process offshore then community based processing.
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Jul 8, 2014 07:39
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They continued to hammer the point though, and a significant amount of people out there believe electricity prices are due to it.
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Jul 8, 2014 07:50
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I guess the issue is that if the lovely ASIC was making companies think twice then what's going to happen when they are totally ineffective?
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Jul 8, 2014 07:59
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Do we get new roads that aren't tollways now anyway?
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Jul 9, 2014 18:37
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Watching Monday's Q&A for some reason. Judith Sloan is incredibly obnoxious. "You're completely wrong about this" "But you've made this point previously" "ummm, well, yeah".
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Jul 10, 2014 05:10
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I only remembering him popping up when he canned that abortion drug.
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Jul 10, 2014 13:36
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"Sir Lanka is not perfect........but it's not Nazi Germany". Such a ringing endorsement. Do they still prevent foreign visitors from touring the north without government overseers?
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Jul 11, 2014 05:59
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Foxtel is worth a good billion dollars to Murdoch and given the split they did he needs it to balance out the newspaper loses as he desperately wants to keep them.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:09
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Bit different when they're a deciding factor in governments though.
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Jul 13, 2014 07:57
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Cartoon posted:Also 'hilarioys' I always scroll through pages like that with post after post and link after link and then I've had enough. I then look at when the last one posted was made and realise the twenty or so posts I've been through were all made in like the last 6 hours. That looks like a one person show too 
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Jul 13, 2014 10:37
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Also remember that the ones who are really rich pay PEOPLE SMUGGLERS for fake visa's and fly in. They don't jump on boats where there's a real chance of death.
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Jul 16, 2014 03:48
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Fairly as defined by the United Nations' convention or as defined by you?
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Jul 16, 2014 03:57
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Hypation posted:The method of arrival is irrelevant. All refugees should be assessed based on their need for asylum. The key issue with irregular maritime entrants is that (a) given the needs of refugees as a whole exceeds the ability of Australia to help and (b) assuming a policy that targets those most in need then no boat person should ever be accepted into Australia because it will be easy to find a 'replacement' with a more urgent need for their visa in an area immediately adjacent to or actually within a conflict zone etc. This is simply a form of the queue jumping argument - and getting around it is why the Greens and ALP and Liberals proposed a separate quota for offshore applicants and an open ended allocation for onshore applicants. While this means that no boat person takes a visa from an offshore applicant (hence no one technically queue jumps because c 20% of the folks join a separate process) it still does not avoid the fact that boat people consume funding that could otherwise go to increasing the number of visas granted to offshore applicants. FWIW that is the system we used to have before it was changed (I think it was Howard). We had our refugee intake and people arriving and seeking asylum where separate. It was changed so that residency given to a boat person was counted against yearly intake. If you're technical there's no obligation to take people from camps under the convention. The legal obligation is to process someone who arrives in the country. 'Boat' people arriving are operating within the convention, settling people from camps is done on a humanitarian basis; there's no legal obligation.
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Jul 16, 2014 11:33
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dr_rat posted:For a while. Don't think there's a comment section in the world that doesn't have them now days. That's pretty much it. The people that are really crazy about stuff will spend all day posting on as many sites and articles as they can. It's always a little when it's something linked to Facebook and they have like 8 friends but spam political stuff 20 times a day to no likes.
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Jul 16, 2014 14:21
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Jokes on you. You could have been watching Avengers.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:04
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Cant you lock up with a sign or something? What happens if you need to go take a dump?
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Jul 23, 2014 16:47
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Doesn't the government plan to legislate away many work rights for work for the dole placements? Don't they also want to legislate away compensation if you're injured too?
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Jul 27, 2014 08:00
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There's also the little unaddressed fact that there are more unemployed people then there are jobs. Didn't the libs also cut money to the ATO and basically tell them not to worry too much about going after tax cheats?
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Jul 29, 2014 04:46
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The government is aware that full employment is a bad thing right?
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Jul 30, 2014 05:47
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So the thing our eduction minster said would not happen has happened?
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Jul 30, 2014 15:40
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Murodese posted:He's a rich dude with a good PR company. Pretty much hated within the construction industry because he keeps refusing to pay subcontractors until they literally go bankrupt. Was it Twiggy who went something like 5 years without paying tax too?
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Jul 31, 2014 03:57
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Forced into demeaning work for poo poo money with less chance for employment costing you more of your below the poverty line welfare just to get to and from; why would people want to drink?
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RE superannuation the checkout did a segment recently on funds which is worth the ten mins if you want to choose your own. Phone posting or id link  Housing can/will soften, but a crash would probably come if/when we have a major recession. Best hope the libs don't get near the government then either, imagine what they'd try and ram through if there was an actual economy meltdown to point too.
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