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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

The Sphinxster posted:

Yeah, casual fans probably don't even know so I'm sure he'll be fine.

I wonder if Metamoris signed the fight after the news because they are pretty much endorsing juice if they did.

If Metamoris gave a gently caress about juice they would be testing.

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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Vitor really should be dumped at this point, but he hasn't lost since his short-notice fight against Jones. They may not be legally able to fire him right now.

If he loses and they still don't shitcan him, though, they're probably making a mistake.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

The Sphinxster posted:

I don't disagree, but there is a yawning chasm between not giving a gently caress and actively endorsing as far as PR goes.

MetamorisPro posted:

“@T_RAV_4real: @MetamorisPro is Sonnen still on the card?” Yes. The only test he should be concerned about is the test of his technique.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
There's a lot of research about "decision fatigue", where the more difficult decisions you have to make during a given day the more likely you are to make the "wrong" choices. During a training camp fighters are already under a ton of stress and having to do a lot of difficult things in any given day, hiring someone to take everything related to food completely out of your hands so you don't have to think about it is probably a good investment. Dolce just happens to be a guy who's made it his niche.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

BlindSite posted:

Barao's only avenue to winning would be to get the fight to the ground where he'd be able to exert control from the top. The chances of that happening against a guy who wrestles Mendes, Benevedez and Faber daily are somewhere between slim and loving none though.

If Barao improves his jab and uses teeps more to keep Dillashaw more at kicking distance, he can do some serious damage to his legs, which is going to take away the thing that made Dillashaw most effective in the first fight. I'd still heavily favor Dillashaw, but there are things Barao can do to make the striking less lopsided.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

willie_dee posted:

I can't watch the vid, what was said?

"This dress is modeled after MAdonna's "Like a Virgin" video, because it's my first time in the UFC"

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

MikeBohnMMA posted:

A fan tells Dana White that Nate Diaz left his autograph booth to go to the washroom and never came back. White says, "Who's shocked?"


The Diaz brothers, ladies and gents

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Keven. Just. Keven posted:

Why did you sting me? Without me you'll drown in this river! Said the frog.

209 motherfucker 209 209 said the scorpion.

hahahahahaha

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

-Atom- posted:

BJ won the first Edgar fight

First of all, nope

Second of all, arguing that BJ won the first Edgar fight undercuts the standard BJ Fan "Unmotivated!" argument, which goes "BJ had it too easy, he was unmotivated for his next fight, but once he comes back from a loss he's motivated and kicks rear end!" which unfortunately runs up against the fact that Edgar kicked his rear end even worse in the rematch

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
If you think BJ won the first fight, you are wrong but you have some legitimate arguments.

If you think BJ won the second fight, you are mentally challenged.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Foul Fowl posted:

I'll have to rewatch but Penn won the only clear round if I remember correctly, which I might not.

You don't; the only clear rounds were 4 and 5, and Edgar won both of those.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Tezcatlipoca posted:

This isn't true. Weidman's kicks were giving Machida more trouble than the takedowns at first. It really confused him and took him a while to find his distance for kicks and timing for his straight left counters which he became more successful with as the fight went on.

Machida got more successful as the fight went on, but it's hard to say how much of it was him figuring Weidman out and how much of it was Weidman gassing.

The main thing is that in a rematch it's very likely Weidman is going to come in with a completely different gameplan and Machida will have to spend just as much time figuring him out, and he may not gas as fast in addition.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

I guess I have a problem with calling it dominating when one guy lands a handful more strikes and gets half his takedowns stuffed, but were living in a new age


I'm not sure I would call it dominating, but Weidman cut off the ring like nobody else has against Machida and very clearly outstruck him for the first three rounds. That's impressive no matter how you slice it.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Aldo makes 120k/120k plus ppv points. Rousey makes 55k/55k plus ppv points. Cain, last time his purse was disclosed, made 400k to show, no win bonus, plus ppv points. If Aldo's making a ton less than other champions, it's mostly because his ppvs don't sell as well, which isn't really on the UFC.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

vainman posted:

At what point does the UFC marketing team take the blame for not making Jose Aldo a star? He's literally rags to riches, hasn't lost in a decade, has a sweet nickname and boasts the most impressive MMA resume of all time.

I dunno, can you point to anything the UFC marketing team has done for the fighters that became stars and hasn't done for Aldo?

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Tezcatlipoca posted:

^^^Maybe the point is that they should do something different.

Like what?

There's no guaranteed formula to turn a winning champion into a draw people care about; if there was, the UFC would do it for everyone. They've done for Aldo what's worked for their champions that do draw; since it isn't working they certainly could and probably should try other things as well, but it's hard to put blame on them for Aldo not drawing well.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
BJ's standup style was pretty obviously a bad idea, but I feel like people's fixation on it has obscured the main difference between their second match and this one. Sure, the close-together stance had him getting beaten on the feet, but he got beat on the feet before - the major difference here was in the second match when Frankie got BJ down, BJ mostly kept him off balance and was able to use his guard to get back to his feet the way he always has. In this one, when Frankie got BJ down, that was pretty much it - he was down there getting elbowed up for the duration.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bubba Smith posted:

That would be a good fight but the problem is if those winners have to fight each other then Demetrious Johnson has nobody to fight until John Dodson comes back next year. DJ is healthy and should be defending his title. The McCall/Pickett & Makovsky/Formiga fights are all happening over the next few weeks so assuming they don't get injured they'll be ready to go later this year for a title fight. It's not the prettiest scenario but any are better than Ali Bagautinov

I'd be surprised if McCall loses to Pickett by the way.

Seeing McCall have a hosed up training camp and poo poo the bed in a big way is never going to be surprising.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

If holm actually has takedown defense and her boxing has adapted to deal with kicks, a different stance and different gloves, shes a legit challenger for better reasons. Having far better striking that fighters at local shows is to be expected considering her pedigree, and i think the posters so far are right about not having seen enough to make a prediction

Holm has good footwork and bad wrestling that adds up to medium level takedown defense - the way she circles and takes angles, her opponents have a hard time getting a hold of her and take a lot punches while trying to do so, but once they do get a hold of her she's pretty much going down the majority of the time.

If she improves her wrestling, her ability to work distance is going to make her very difficult to take down, but it's hard to say if and how fast she'll be able to do that.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
Also, this was interesting -

bokamotoESPN posted:

BCAC Commissioner Dave Maedel confirmed to me that out-of-competition drug testing that caught Bagautinov was paid for by UFC.


Looks like the UFC is actually starting to give more than lip service to the idea of random testing.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Bundt Cake posted:

as I watch through her fights I get that a little bit. but its not like her takedown defense is Bas Rutten bad or anything. She has good balance at least.

Agreed, but there's a pretty wide gulf between "Bas Rutten bad" and "good". And keep in mind most of the people you're seeing her against are bad wrestlers to begin with.

I'd be interested to see her fight McMann. McMann's not particularly dangerous as a finisher, so it would give a chance to see how her defense stacks up against an actual competent wrestler, as well as her ground game, and it's still a winnable fight since McMann's standup is hot garbage.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Gregor Samsa posted:

According to Ian, they have said they're going to start doing this to literally everybody. All 300-ish fighters or whatever.

That's one way to trim the roster

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Captain Log posted:

Sooo, pretty much nobody in the UFC can smoke weed anymore, right? poo poo hides in your fat for ages.

Depends on if it's one of the things they're doing random tests for. I don't think they've listed the criteria.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

EvanSchenck posted:

Aside from that, it turns out that Tarverdyan wasn't just talking poo poo when he said that Ronda has powerful strikes. Apparently she was hurting Miesha pretty badly with her right hand, and everybody just missed it at the time because her striking was supposed to be a joke.

This is one of the things that seemed obvious to me when I first saw the fight and I was surprised nobody else seemed to see it; yes, Miesha was "winning" exchanges because she would land a bunch of hooks on Ronda, but every time Ronda would hit her with the right she would back off looking hurt/unhappy.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Marching Powder posted:

regardless of tapes to study i'd think ronda would have to assume she's going to be lit up on the feet and fight accordingly

I don't think Ronda will ever assume anything except that she's going to kick her opponent's rear end in every single area. She may gameplan that she's going to preferentially go for the takedown or preferentially go for standup depending on where she thinks they're weak, but assuming she's going to get lit up is foreign to Ronda's mindset in more or less every way.

Nibbles141 posted:

On the flip side if it's as rampant as some have claimed then we may see fights and performances slowing down as well as fighters fighting far less often.

Well, on the one hand people are going to be recovering more slowly from injuries, but on the other hand more people are going to be able to fight on short notice if they're not on anything they have to cycle off of, so it may wind up being a wash as far as fighting more or less often goes.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Yuriy posted:

Shannon Knapp says that Invicta FC is in "the process of transitioning Cyborg down to 135 lbs".

She's apparently now specified that they're scheduling her for a bantamweight match in December -

quote:

“Cyborg” Justino (12-1) is targeted for Invicta FC 10 against a TBA opponent, Invicta FC President Shannon Knapp said. She was targeted on two previous occasions to meet Ediane Gomes before injuries and event scheduling nixed the matchup. Justino could make her second appearance at 135 pounds in February or March, Knapp added.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

quote:

UFC on FOX analysts Kenny Florian, Daniel Cormier and host Karyn Bryant welcome former UFC welterweight contender Chris Lytle to the analyst desk as he makes his debut at the UFC FIGHT NIGHT WEIGH-IN on Tuesday, July 15 and works the PREFIGHT and POSTFIGHT coverage on FOX Sports 1 as well. Jon Anik and Brian Stann call the fights on FOX Sports 1 live from the Revel Casino Hotel in Atlantic City, while Victor Dávila and Fabricio Werdum call the action for FOX Deportes.


Interesting choice. Good to see Lytle getting paid now that he's retired.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Geno Petralli posted:

The cyst in Rousey's knuckle probably isn't too serious.

(Sorry if this is an I TRAIN post)

Boxing gave me a ganglion cyst in the middle knuckle on my right hand, and it was sore for months. I eventually talked to a surgeon who said it was a pocket formed from the tendon sheath and if he did surgery he'd have to cut back the sheath to prevent a re-occurrence. I didn't do surgery and eventually the soreness went away, the cyst is probably still in there and just hardened or something.

When I was leaving the surgeon's office he joked about the traditional treatment of ganglions being sharp impacts which was kind of surreal because it was the same joke I was making with my buddies when we learned they were called bible bumps..

The healing time right now isn't from the cyst, it's that she apparently broke her thumb.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005
The "legitimate" boxing hall of fame includes Sylvester Stallone

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

every HOF is a joke, really, so i'd rather they do it for guys who are important/cool rather than "must be this good" because the HOFs that do that are awful.

baseball didn't induct buck o'neil when they created an entire committee to induct people like buck o'neil, they don't have marvin miller, etc. football didn't induct ray guy for years, hockey didnt have pat burns, etc etc sportswriters are really stupid

Can you imagine how impossibly poo poo the UFC hall of fame would be if it worked the way baseball's does

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Dangersim posted:

Who would you put in a non UFC HOF? The only other top promotion with guys you could really make a case for was pride and the majority of those guys fought in the UFC too. Unless you really want the Fedor and Saku Hall of Fame.

Saku fought in the UFC.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Captain Log posted:

Goon hate aside, who other than Saku, Fedor, and...err..yeah that's about it would belong in a HoF?

You could make an argument for Rumina Sato. I think most of the other early Shooto pioneers wound up in the UFC at one time or another though thanks to Joe Silva.

EDIT: Also Yuki Nakai, but he doesn't deserve to be in the Hall of Fame so much as canonized

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Dangersim posted:

I understand chael is cool and funny and everyone here hates wanderlei, but acting like wanderlei deserves a worse punishment then chael is pure favoritism.

Wandy deserves the maximum possible punishment for a first time offense for reasons previously noted, which still probably shouldn't be as severe as the punishment for Chael's third time offense

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Dangersim posted:

I don't disagree with this, I disagree with saying wanderlei deserves a worse punishment because he doesn't tell funny jokes.

Good thing nobody's saying that!

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

LobsterMobster posted:

If anyone needs a title for the GDT, UFC Fight Night 45: Cerronious Assault

:golfclap:

-Atom- posted:

UFC Fight Night 45: Miller vs. Budweiser

:golfclap:

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

quote:

[Chris Weidman] sprained ligaments in his left hand in training, which prevented him from punching for the last two weeks leading up [to UFC 175].

"I went through a two-day period where I was very nervous, and felt, you had mentioned my hand, and I thought I was going to have to pull out of the fight," he told Ariel Helwani. "I couldn’t touch my thumb to any of my fingers. I couldn’t grab anything, I couldn’t squeeze a toothbrush, couldn’t brush my teeth. I could do it with my right hand, but not my left. But you know, you just start figuring things out. Like, how bad this if I can’t do these little things? So I kind of was scaring the crap out of myself."

Weidman said he went to the doctor to have an X-ray done on the hand, which also required an MRI.

"So they did the MRI and I had to wait on the results, and I was really just pissed off, and I was depressed," he said. "I was like, how am I going to deal with this? It was a bad situation. If it’s not broken, obviously I’m not pulling out, but how am I going to train for these last two weeks. I can’t even touch my fingers together and I can’t obviously punch. It was a tough day with that. It was ligaments that were all messed up and sprained. So, I got cortisone injections, which they even told me probably won’t help much because it’s not really an inflammation issue. But I asked them to do it anyway, just anything that might help."

Weidman said it didn’t really help too much, but that within a couple days of receiving the injections he was able to grapple again, even if he wasn’t able to punch for the last two-and-a-half weeks of camp. On fight night, Weidman said he felt a little discomfort here and there, but ultimately said it didn’t affect his performance.

"I had the worst camp of my life, but I fought well," he said. "I went out there and did my thing. The camp wasn’t the best at all, but I think Lyoto Machida is just that good. And I think I performed good."

As for having to go the distance with the former light heavyweight champion Machida, Weidman -- calling it his toughest fight to date -- said it gave him good experience after scoring relatively quick finishes over Mark Munoz and Anderson Silva twice.

"There was definitely stuff I was disappointed in myself with in the fight, but I think this is the fight I needed," he said. "I needed this fight. I think it was a huge growing fight for me, I needed to go five rounds, I needed to have that experience. I needed to get punched a little bit. I think I needed all that.

"I went for the finish in the fourth round. After the third round, I thought I’d get a finish in the fourth, and obviously it went completely the other way, from me almost finishing him and believe I’m going to finish him to him winning the round and hitting me with some good shots. It kind of screwed me up. I kind of underestimated how badly he wanted it, and how confident he was that he was going to win the fight. Because I thought he was broken already, but he showed obviously that champion’s heart he has, and he’s tough as nails man.

"I knew he was a good fighter, an awesome fighter – I think he’s the best fighter I’ve fought, to be honest with you, and he gave me my toughest test, obviously."

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Captain Log posted:

It's really unsettling that nerds are coming up that are into things I was too old to nerd out over. What the gently caress is that thing?

Oh, and Ronda owns. Rondowns?

I don't even watch Dragonball Z, and I know that's from Dragonball Z. Which aired in like 1997.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

CommonShore posted:

Makovsky might be pretty close to a title eliminator too.

Makovsky/MM would be a cool fuckin' match for the first few rounds.

fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

Triticum Guzzler posted:

"miller light" would be a good nickname for jim if his brother is still around

He took a lot of time off to care for his kid, but according to Constantino he's looking to fight again by the end of the year, and he's still under UFC contract.

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fatherdog
Feb 16, 2005

freud mayweather posted:

do you know if his son is doing well?

As far as I'm aware the kidney transplant went well and he's currently stable, but PKD is one of those things that can cause complications throughout life.

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