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Fuego Fish posted:How can you be a fan of Pundit? Like, legitimately, I am curious. What particular facet of his giant rambling posts that don't go anywhere is engaging enough for someone to go "wow, I should read more of these!
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Fuego Fish posted:How can you be a fan of Pundit? Like, legitimately, I am curious. What particular facet of his giant rambling posts that don't go anywhere is engaging enough for someone to go "wow, I should read more of these!" I mentioned this before, but (supposedly) Pundit's blog is supposed to be an Andy Kaufman-esque joke. The problem is that, even if that's the case, there are a lot of people who follow him and take him seriously. Hell, all of RPGSite is based around his personality.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:14
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So does he just not like roleplaying outside of dungeon crawling or something? I've known a few people like that, but they didn't come off as total douchebags; they were just people more interested in simulating elf-to-elf combat than talking about stuff.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:14
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Evil Mastermind posted:I mentioned this before, but (supposedly) Pundit's blog is supposed to be an Andy Kaufman-esque joke. I think that a better explanation is that Tarnowski is fundamentally unable to take responsibility for his noxious, toxic personality.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:19
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SunAndSpring posted:So does he just not like roleplaying outside of dungeon crawling or something? I've known a few people like that, but they didn't come off as total douchebags; they were just people more interested in simulating elf-to-elf combat than talking about stuff. He shat all over Dungeon World as one of those insidious storygames trying to undermine and destroy "real RPGs" for something like 10 pages of some god awful giant thread on his website. This included spitting ridiculous, stupid loving arguments at one of the authors who for some reason wasted a night or two fielding the dumbest loving questions about his game. Then Pundit went ahead and actually read the game. He crapped out some meandering post that declared "Okay, it is an RPG after all, but it's not a good one." He's that kind of guy.
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SunAndSpring posted:So does he just not like roleplaying outside of dungeon crawling or something? I've known a few people like that, but they didn't come off as total douchebags; they were just people more interested in simulating elf-to-elf combat than talking about stuff. No, he claims to "storygames" because he thinks that any mechanic that lets you affect the narrative in a way that isn't the character choosing to affect the mechanics (action points, suggestions to the DM, powers that let you have 'just the right item', etc) are not only not roleplaying, but remove your ability to roleplay completely since you metaphorically have to remove yourself from your characters understanding to use them.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:No, he claims to "storygames" because he thinks that any mechanic that lets you affect the narrative in a way that isn't the character choosing to affect the mechanics (action points, suggestions to the DM, powers that let you have 'just the right item', etc) are not only not roleplaying, but remove your ability to roleplay completely since you metaphorically have to remove yourself from your characters understanding to use them. Aren't action points just poo poo like +2 to attacks or whatever? God, how can you be mad at that poo poo? It's like getting mad that you see numbers pop out of enemies in RPGs when you strike them because it "ruins your immersion" or whatever.
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SunAndSpring posted:Aren't action points just poo poo like +2 to attacks or whatever? God, how can you be mad at that poo poo? It's like getting mad that you see numbers pop out of enemies in RPGs when you strike them because it "ruins your immersion" or whatever. They can be other things. The only consistent part of Pundit's act is that he's a mad as hell rabble-rouser guarding the True Heart of RPGs against a bunch of vaguely defined enemies. Everything about the particulars can change from post-to-post. One minute White Wolf just produces bad but traditional RPGs, the other they are a conspiracy of proto-storygamers/full-on storygamers trying to enact a liberal hippy takeover of gaming. It doesn't even really matter if it's really what he thinks or if he's an act. As mentioned, his internet tough guy act influences a lot of people seriously, and he's been doing it for a decade or more anyway. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Jul 3, 2014 20:25
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He's the Rush Limbaugh of RPG personalities. It's not a coincidence that a lot of right-wing bloggers all use various -pundit pseudonyms.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:27
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whydirt posted:He's the Rush Limbaugh of RPG personalities. It's not a coincidence that a lot of right-wing bloggers all use various -pundit pseudonyms.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:43
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Plague of Hats posted:He shat all over Dungeon World as one of those insidious storygames trying to undermine and destroy "real RPGs" for something like 10 pages of some god awful giant thread on his website. This included spitting ridiculous, stupid loving arguments at one of the authors who for some reason wasted a night or two fielding the dumbest loving questions about his game. You miss the best part of this: this is only because one of the creators of Dungeon World actually braved the acid pits of TheRPGSite and engaged Pundit and his fellow trolls for pages of pages of vitriolic nonsense, explaining over and over again that rolling a 6 or less does not mean BEARS KILL YOU ALL until he finally convinced Tarnowski to actually read the game. Once he did, he conceded that it might be an RPG in the right sort of player group but was still insidiously storygame-esque.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:52
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What resources might I find for DIY bookbinding? Specifically, the leaves on my Eclipse Phase and Black Crusade core books has separated from the spines but are still sewn together. Given that I can't exactly uncut what I've cut, will I still need to slice up one side to get at the back of the pages?
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Jul 3, 2014 21:10
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A simple Google search put me here. Or this Youtube. And this collection of links.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:13
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Mors Rattus posted:A simple Google search put me here. I found him with a google search, but it was all him and not an introduction. I DIDN'T WANT TO RISK HIS CRAZY DRIVING ME CRAZY! On a different note, I've been playing some We Didn't Playtest This At All: Legacies recently, and it's been getting me thinking about how a Legacy RPG would work. Maybe having setting blanks to fill in and powers to have elements filled in or sections of text crossed off. Does that sound crazy, or do I have the beginnings of a good idea on my hands?
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Jul 3, 2014 21:21
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I found the same sort of stuff but those do not quite address my problem. The thing is that the pages have come loose from the spine, but both are still connected via the flyleaves. I was concerned about whether I'd have to cut one of the flyleaves to get access to the back of the pages or whether I could do something less invasive.
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TheSoundNinja posted:I found him with a google search, but it was all him and not an introduction. I DIDN'T WANT TO RISK HIS CRAZY DRIVING ME CRAZY! I think we talked about this a couple months ago. Basically that would be hard to do because that's how RPGs kind of work as it is, especially with games like Apocalypse World. You're already defining setting blanks together as it is. I think it's an interesting idea, though. It would just take some more to make it different (and significant) from a normal RPG, especially when you compare it to what makes a "Legacy" board game.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:26
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It would definitely be cool to see someone sell a Campaign Box that actually came with stuff similar to Legacy components. Stuff like 'Open this Envelope if the Orcs take over the caves' or a map that came with stickers you could apply when major events happened. Obviously you can do all this stuff by hand but not everyone's got the time for all that.
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Jul 3, 2014 21:35
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I think the campaign expansion for Descent 1e had something like that, or so the video review I watched said.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about him too. The worst part about this is them being mentioned in the same breath as Kenneth Hite and Robin Laws, two actual game designers with interesting ideas and opinions worth listening to. D&D has become like that WH40K Imperium: stuck in a downwards spiral of technological stagnation and ruled by the priests of a long dead deified figure who claim complete authority over how things should be done, and the poor masses have to deal with it or be abused. By the way, if the aforementioned long dead deified figure was alive, he'd not approve of this poo poo. (I guess we storygaming swine would be the orks in Tarnowski's mind) Cyphoderus fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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NGDBSS posted:What resources might I find for DIY bookbinding? Specifically, the leaves on my Eclipse Phase and Black Crusade core books has separated from the spines but are still sewn together. Given that I can't exactly uncut what I've cut, will I still need to slice up one side to get at the back of the pages? Sometimes you can ask a local library to help with that - I've done that for my gaming books.
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Mormon Star Wars posted:Retrocausality already has great reviews and a potential audience base (and is already finished), it might be good to kickstart that one so you can put the improved version on sale. The idea is that a Fate game would get more money and exposure, which in turn helps RC. Also, we took a while to set up, and now I'm not 100% sure people won't be burned out on Fate by the time I launch a second KS.
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Plague of Hats posted:They can be other things. Just read his blog, and I'm confused as all hell. In one post, he says, "Hey, if you're gay, come to Uruguay! They're really friendly and pro-gay here!" and another goes "If a girl is at a con and she isn't being paid to go there, she's probably an actual gamer and you should stop being a creepy gently caress", but in another post, he's ranting about how gays and feminists are destroying gaming via really obscure games and one-off paragraphs included in some source books. gently caress me, I feel like I've been trolled somehow.
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SunAndSpring posted:So why does the Pundit thinks that a bunch of obscure semi-RPGs are somehow going to take over mainstream tabletop gaming? SunAndSpring posted:Just read his blog, and I'm confused as all hell. In one post, he says, "Hey, if you're gay, come to Uruguay! They're really friendly and pro-gay here!" and another goes "If a girl is at a con and she isn't being paid to go there, she's probably an actual gamer and you should stop being a creepy gently caress", but in another post, he's ranting about how gays and feminists are destroying gaming via really obscure games and one-off paragraphs included in some source books. gently caress me, I feel like I've been trolled somehow. Terrible people aren't always terrible. Stopped clock and all that.
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Jimbozig posted:Liberal ideas are ascendant right now in much of the world.t. what but really, gb2D&D
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Tiny Epic is loving cool. Saw this when I met the creator, Todd Lyles, at Libertycon in Chattanooga, TN. He did all of the design and artwork for the game himself and it's really awesome. It's basically the best "entry into tabletop" I've ever seen outside of Munchkin. Side note, playing a game with the actual developer of it and then later realizing he's the guy who created it is awesome. You get to choose a race from three cards, then a job from three cards, and a background from -you guessed it- three cards. That's it. The GM then gives you a story and you have to deal with the choices you've made. First time I ever played this game resulted in me looking at all the choices our characters had made and realizing our party was probably not good aligned. Todd said the best part of the game are the happy accidents resulting from not getting to see what your jobs and background are before you pick your race and stuff. GMing is also almost no hassle, either. The manual for the game is free in PDF format, and contains all of the rules. However, many of these rules are written more like guidelines, so it's a great way for someone to find out if they like GMing or not and still have a fun time. I highly recommend this game for those who want quick get up and go roleplaying sessions without any character creation bullshit, or those who want to get into RPGs but don't know where to start.
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Captain Foo posted:what And conveniently, Liberal (neoclassical economics) ideas are also on the upswing, as capitalism continues to grind everyone's economic bones down to dust. So really it is hard to go wrong saying liberalism is On The March!
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Quarex posted:So really it is hard to go wrong saying liberalism is On The March! Yeah, I mean it's not as if there's a massive resurgence of the far right going on in most of the world right now. Oh, wait.
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I'm starting my first Monsterhearts game soon and I am hella excited. I had heard so many good things about in this thread and the AW thread and finally took a look at the book itself. I was astounded by what appears to be an incredible capacity to tell really dramatic and tense stories with conflict between the players themselves. AW and it's offspring are really amazing. The funny thing is, as a D&D person, I'm used to throwing out all kinds of unseemly violence; murder and theft are the order of the day. But the kind of conflicts that Monsterhearts appears set to deliver... I think I might have to pull my punches for once! It brings back some seriously squeamish memories of adolescence. Good stuff.
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Yeah, I mean it's not as if there's a massive resurgence of the far right going on in most of the world right now. It is admittedly hard to ever talk about a particular type of politics being resurgent/emergent/anything because counterexamples are so easy to find. Like how you might believe the Green movement is actually making strides if you look at Europe but then you look at the rest of the world. Or how you might believe we are in some ways in 1936 again if you look at Eastern Europe and then you cry.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Oh yeah, I forgot about him too. I will not be buying this or any other WotC products for the foreseen future. Thanks for the heads up.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I will not be buying this or any other WotC products for the foreseen future. Thanks for the heads up.
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I am not buying products from a company that intentionally and publicly associates with those people. Period.
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I think I'm just done playing TRPGs at this point. I have better ways to spend my free time that don't support terrible people.
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ParaPraxis posted:I think I'm just done playing TRPGs at this point. I have better ways to spend my free time that don't support terrible people. There are plenty of opportunities to play TRPGs and support awesome people. I recently mentioned Monsterhearts, but if that's not your bag, there's also other AW-derived games (and AW itself). Inverse World in particular is a great take on fantasy adventure that deviates significantly from the typical D&D fantasy elements that we all have seen plenty of. I'm expecting to get corrected on this one, but I don't think your ethics will scream too hard if you give 13th Age a shot. This is my current favorite "D&D-like" RPG developed by Johnathan Tweet and Rob Heinsoo, both talented and creative people in their own right, with the benefit of some serious experience. I'm sure other people here can come up with examples of RPGs that don't come stained with oppressive attitudes. If you're done with RPGs, then hey, good on you. But there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater if you still want to play good games. There are writers and artists out there who deserve our support and who I, personally, would like to see have a stronger presence in the industry, such as it is.
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ParaPraxis posted:I think I'm just done playing TRPGs at this point. I have better ways to spend my free time that don't support terrible people. You should come over to the board game side. At least there, the people that are revered aren't completely terrible.
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That's probably where the successor to 4th is going to come from, really.
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Don't give up entirely on RPGs, support the good ones and the good developers.
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I wish the lesser known/indie RPGs could afford to make Box Sets. I'd love to stock copies of Monster Hearts or FAE or something that were nice, self contained packages that people could pick up for $19.99 but D&D is really the only game in town. Guess I'll just continue to not sell RPGs!
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Misandu posted:I wish the lesser known/indie RPGs could afford to make Box Sets. I'd love to stock copies of Monster Hearts or FAE or something that were nice, self contained packages that people could pick up for $19.99 but D&D is really the only game in town. Guess I'll just continue to not sell RPGs! What do you mean by box sets?
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