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So um I rewatched it and I think I came out with a bit of a controversial opinion. I think the movie in general is good and has a good message, but the ending is bad and dumb. Essentially Metropolis espouses a liberal corporatist philosophy. It believes that the poor working class citizens of the city need the rich "management" class in order to become civilized, and "lifted up". But at the same time remain where they are in the class hierarchy. I believe this because the "heart" that is supposed to mediate between the two groups (the "head" and "hands") comes from the abode of the "head". Also there is a very obvious connotation between calling one group the "head" as opposed to the "hands". Hands are useless and meaningless without a head, it's not exactly true in the converse. The reason I consider it to be liberal is because of the progressive perspective the film takes. It sees the meeting of the "hands" and "head" as a positive thing, moving towards a better future within the current system but making some changes. It's no totalitarian regime, rather it sees every citizen as a human being. A human being with a place in society that they belong to. I think this sort of viewpoint is easy to agree with because in western society (for example 1920s Germany) the class structure that the film paints is very familiar. Our capitalist society was built around a working class and a bourgeois class. We still see this today, and the stark physical contrast between the two classes in Metropolis can be seen again in our current globalized economy. The working class of the world lives far away from the "heads" of society. We are the beneficiaries but we do not interact with our benefactors. Yet at the same time we see ourselves as their leaders, as their "head". If only we could have a heart to mediate between us, we could be led to a more prosperous future for all. It's a good movie but I disagree with its philosophy.
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Anime Metropolis was better.
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Jul 9, 2014 01:54
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So you think the film accurately portrays the state of things, that its metaphors and scenarios are appropriate and well defined... so what do you disagree with?
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Jul 9, 2014 01:55
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Quickscope420dad posted:So you think the film accurately portrays the state of things, that its metaphors and scenarios are appropriate and well defined... so what do you disagree with? He disagrees with the solution the film takes forward, that somehow the heads and hands can work in harmony while the former reap the vast majority of the rewards.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:00
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Metropolis isn't even relevant anymore. People just like it because it's old as poo poo and it's one of the first movies to feature robots in a futuristic environment.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:02
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The Taint Reaper posted:Metropolis isn't even relevant anymore. People just like it because it's old as poo poo and it's one of the first movies to feature robots in a futuristic environment. Did u read my 3rd paragraph.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:02
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Tiberius Thyben posted:He disagrees with the solution the film takes forward, that somehow the heads and hands can work in harmony while the former reap the vast majority of the rewards. Okay, but (again, question is for the OP) do you think the film is necessarily proposing a solution, or is it rather describing a likely outcome? The ending you call bad and dumb - is it bad and dumb because you don't like it / are repelled by it, or is it bad and dumb because it literally does not logically follow in the narrative?
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Jul 9, 2014 02:07
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I think it is bad and dumb because I can't believe the boss of metropolis would have such a human being son.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:12
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Where's SuperMechaGodzilla to dispense wisdom of the deep underlying traits of the 4 Transformer movies?
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Jul 9, 2014 02:13
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Yeah I think Janelle Monae is p hot too, OP
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Jul 9, 2014 02:14
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Yeah I think Janelle Monae is p hot too, OP I'd gently caress that droid also.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:19
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I'd cum on that hat and then make jokes about vanilla rain.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:22
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Yeah I think Janelle Monae is p hot too, OP This is a fantastic album.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:22
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dorito squirt
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Jul 9, 2014 02:23
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Yeah I think Janelle Monae is p hot too, OP But that is obviously an gynoid
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Jul 9, 2014 02:24
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Quickscope420dad posted:Okay, but (again, question is for the OP) do you think the film is necessarily proposing a solution, or is it rather describing a likely outcome? I disagree with the film on an ideological basis. The film is giving us a solution that I disagree with. The old system of their society should have been destroyed to make everyone equal. Wow I sound like a radical leftist.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:30
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SHISHKABOB posted:I disagree with the film on an ideological basis. The film is giving us a solution that I disagree with. The old system of their society should have been destroyed to make everyone equal. but what about my other questions? I mean, is it not possible to perceive it not as a "proposed solution" but rather a likely consequence? predictive and descriptive rather than prescriptive? I don't think it's absolutely necessarily the case that the ending is supposed to be interpreted as a desirable outcome, and can actually be seen as a portrayal of a likely, or at least plausible outcome of the scenario and events?
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Jul 9, 2014 02:32
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The Taint Reaper posted:Anime Metropolis was better.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:35
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Quickscope420dad posted:but what about my other questions? Yes of course it is, that's why we call it a "reading" of a film. edit: however, I don't think I agree that the movie was trying to portray the outcome as anything but desirable. I believe that the movie thinks it was a good ending and that it turned out better for everyone involved. Or at least was headed in the right direction.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:35
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i also rewatched this movie recently and felt the same way op e: actually it was giorgio moroder's version but we
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Jul 9, 2014 02:35
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SHISHKABOB posted:I disagree with the film on an ideological basis. The film is giving us a solution that I disagree with. The old system of their society should have been destroyed to make everyone equal. Economic equality is impossible in a universe that's governed by entropy unless you figure out how to force black holes to redistribute all the energy they suck up.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:35
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Yaldabaoth posted:Economic equality is impossible in a universe that's governed by entropy unless you figure out how to force black holes to redistribute all the energy they suck up. hahahahahhahahahahahha
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Jul 9, 2014 02:36
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Came into this thread expecting goatse. I don't have anything else to add.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:37
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yes of course it is, that's why we call it a "reading" of a film. Right, so what I'm criticizing I guess is that you're condemning the film's ending and ideology on the basis of assumptions the film doesn't ask you to make? I'm interested here in the method of critique, not actually arguing as such, just trying to draw a picture of how you've approached the film, what your framework of analysis is. edit: posted this before i saw your edit.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:37
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somebody explain that job turning the hands of the clock the guy did for ten minutes
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Jul 9, 2014 02:42
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Quickscope420dad posted:Right, so what I'm criticizing I guess is that you're condemning the film's ending and ideology on the basis of assumptions the film doesn't ask you to make? Yes I approached the film with the belief that it was proposing something. Primarily because of this:  The film is making a rather firm statement there.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:43
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Crow_Rodeo posted:Yeah I think Janelle Monae is p hot too, OP She's wearing the Sim City buildings, how did EA not sue her.
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Jul 9, 2014 02:44
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Goebbels liked Metropolis' message a lot and the Nazis took it to heart in general. And modern liberal corporatism agrees with the Nazis, what else is new?
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Jul 9, 2014 02:46
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The Taint Reaper posted:She's wearing the Sim City buildings, how did EA not sue her. Too hot to sue
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Jul 9, 2014 03:48
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the anime metropolis is pretty awesome.
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skasion posted:Goebbels liked Metropolis' message a lot and the Nazis took it to heart in general. And modern liberal corporatism agrees with the Nazis, what else is new? I was going to bring this up, too, but decided GBS wasn't really the place. Fascism was, according to the ideologues at least, a way for the upper and lower classes to work together for the good of all, under a strong, supposedly meritocratic system. They more or less pictured themselves as the Heart, here. Naturally, of course, this was all a bit of a sham, and the capitalists kept all the power they had before, and used Fascists to reinforce their power as well.
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Jul 9, 2014 04:48
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THe movie's content sucks (lovely dialog, lovely acting, lovely philosophy), but the visuals have been owning continuously for like a hundred years and that's why people watch it. By the way, can anyone link to that parody Ron Paul video that's disorienting and talks about how he loves babbies? It had a lot of cuts of the eye collage from Metropolis. Absolute Lithops fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Jul 9, 2014 04:51
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Absolute Lithops posted:By the way, can anyone link to that parody Ron Paul video that's disorienting and talks about how he loves babbies? It had a lot of cuts of the eye collage from Metropolis.
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Jul 9, 2014 07:03
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afrofuturism is pretty retarded overall
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Jul 9, 2014 07:10
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The Taint Reaper posted:Anime Metropolis was better.
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Jul 9, 2014 07:36
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Archandroid was really good but I was kind of let down by The Electric Lady. Lots of good songs but a lot of filler
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Jul 9, 2014 08:10
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I thought it was generally accepted that Metropolis was a fascist movie? I thought it was only appreciated for its aesthetic and cinematic innovations and not it's message. If you appreciate Metropolis for it's message you are a reactionary who should prolly be up against the wall.
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Jul 9, 2014 09:52
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being a reactionary is cool actually
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Jul 9, 2014 09:54
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SHISHKABOB posted:I disagree with the film on an ideological basis. The film is giving us a solution that I disagree with. The old system of their society should have been destroyed to make everyone equal. same. metropolis's ending is some "perhaps the truth is in the middle" bs, where most of the movie is leading to "eat the rich"
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:same. Metropolis: GBS -20.0
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