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Phlairdon
Apr 15, 2003

If you can't stand up you can't do war!

Decrepus posted:

One hundred years ago a satellite detected an object under the sands of the Great Desert. An expedition was sent. An ancient starship, buried in the sand.

Wasn't Homeworld supposed to a BSG game, but they couldn't get the permission to use the name?

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Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

Moridin920 posted:

S1+S2 Gaius Baltar was easily the best character

The ending to "Fragged" was the best. Not just the way he coldly iced the fuckup lieutenant, but the way he kept spraying bullets around randomly like Rambo while simultaneously screaming bloody murder.

"I'm so proud of you, Gaius."

FADEtoBLACK
Jan 26, 2007

Phlairdon posted:

Wasn't Homeworld supposed to a BSG game, but they couldn't get the permission to use the name?

There was going to be a BSG mod for Homeworld 2 that was almost finished but someone pulled it because they were making that pay to win web browser game. It was very playable and had a realistic model of all the classes and such, you even got to decide if you were playing with the first series or the second reboot when playing.


On a related note the guys who made homeworld got the rights back from Gearbox and their making a third one called Homeworld: Shipbreakers but apparently all or part of the game takes place on a planet and you've got vehicles and aircraft. Not sure if that's the kind of place you want to go for a game that's famous for 3d ship strategy in space.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006





Howard Beale
Feb 22, 2001

It's like this, Peanut

LITERALLY SHAKING AS I TYPE THISDGFSKLJDHFDFSFDASDASKJGPI[

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Howard Beale posted:

LITERALLY SHAKING AS I TYPE THISDGFSKLJDHFDFSFDASDASKJGPI[

"Oh god I accidentally uploaded the wrong picture to facespacebook, how do I delete it?"

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

this is me irl posting about BSG

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Flesh Forge posted:

this is me irl posting about BSG

It's actually just Gaius realizing that he can't watch porntube because there are no networked computers on Galactica

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib
gaius scores a lot for a 5'5 guy with social anxiety who spends most of his time working with computers

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Neurosis posted:

gaius scores a lot for a 5'5 guy with social anxiety who spends most of his time working with computers

They need to start having babies

FADEtoBLACK
Jan 26, 2007
Just saw Chief Tyrell on Falling Skies. Definitely decided to keep the Cylon weight.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib
was there some importance or foreshadowing for the final 5's identity that i'm not remembering because i remember them being revealed as cylons just cos and that was when i realised how bad the show would get

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Howard Beale posted:

LITERALLY SHAKING AS I TYPE THISDGFSKLJDHFDFSFDASDASKJGPI[

don't worry he chilled out once he found the stargate:

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
It's so funny because that character is obviously a rip-off of Gaius, but apparantly a some people have face-blindness and literally thought it was the same actor.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Neurosis posted:

was there some importance or foreshadowing for the final 5's identity that i'm not remembering because i remember them being revealed as cylons just cos and that was when i realised how bad the show would get

they chose those people because they were all involved in the resistance and because it would be a big twist. There was minimal foreshadowing because they didn't decide to do it until shortly before it happened

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Mmm no, I don't think Dr. Rush was very much a ripoff of Gaius, he had basically all of the agency and purpose that Baltar never had - not that Baltar was a bad character, far from it, but he was pretty much a trapped rat with very occasional flashes of brilliance at loving over somebody else. There were some things in common but Rush was a genuinely evil motherfucker who it was pretty hard to empathize with. Baltar was a lot more about opportunism, because he pretty much had to be. Dr. Rush and his brutal conflicts with Colonel Young were by far the best part of SG:U, at least up until the point where they reached the point where he gets left to die and any kind of versimilitude is ruined. Baltar though, he just barely manages to look useful enough or pitiable enough that they never quite get around to shooting him or shoving him out of an airlock.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

Flesh Forge posted:

Mmm no, I don't think Dr. Rush was very much a ripoff of Gaius, he had basically all of the agency and purpose that Baltar never had - not that Baltar was a bad character, far from it, but he was pretty much a trapped rat with very occasional flashes of brilliance at loving over somebody else. There were some things in common but Rush was a genuinely evil motherfucker who it was pretty hard to empathize with. Baltar was a lot more about opportunism, because he pretty much had to be. Dr. Rush and his brutal conflicts with Colonel Young were by far the best part of SG:U, at least up until the point where they reached the point where he gets left to die and any kind of versimilitude is ruined. Baltar though, he just barely manages to look useful enough or pitiable enough that they never quite get around to shooting him or shoving him out of an airlock.

oh he wasn't a good ripoff. SGU tried very hard to superficially copy BSG but didn't do a very good job. The character of Rush wasn't really anything like Gaius, but he was definitly presented in the same role several times in the series. is role in the Civilian/Military conflict was the same, for example, as was his propensity for lying constantly to further his personal agenda.

edit: I would guess that the writers for SGU wrote the characters one way, and then there was pressure from somewhere to be more like BSG and thinks were sort of shifted that direction.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

from the miniseries to the finale the show's message seems to be "society should be happy to die out. don't try to fix poo poo. just wander into the woods and let nature take its course." v. uplifting

I'm nearing the end here and I expect some stupid poo poo to pop up in the next few episodes, but so far I can say the whole show is about religion. One fairly consistent thing, actually maybe the only consistent religious theme is probably the belief in enternal return; "all this has happened before and will happen again" is something that springs up a lot in old and current religions alike, and is popular in new age beliefs.

Beyond that, there's also "trust in God, even in the face of oblivion". Which, yeah, can seem bleak.

Running with those themes and multiple parallels to flood myths, it's all pretty bleak but for anyone who has ever had serious belief it's kind of nice to know someone tried to make a real honest pass at a show that explores these themes in an honest and non-pandering way. I half expect the last 1/4 of season 4 make me regret thinking or sharing this.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




ZombieParts posted:

There was no "they" about it. Fat Lee brought that ship in so he could show up his old man by sacrificing an even bigger and nicer battlestar.

did they* fat shame him and thats why he did it?



*either the cylons or humans

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

zVxTeflon posted:

did they* fat shame him and thats why he did it?



*either the cylons or humans

i think adama said 'son you're looking fat, hit the treadmill' and then he rammed his ship

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


His dad calls him fat and then he throws a bitch-fit and runs off to his quarters where he immediately starts shovelling candy into his face and going, "dad says i'm a fat disgusting slob, that's so loving stupid, HEH." and his wife is giving him this clearly disgusted look.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

hemophilia posted:

His dad calls him fat and then he throws a bitch-fit and runs off to his quarters where he immediately starts shovelling candy into his face and going, "dad says i'm a fat disgusting slob, that's so loving stupid, HEH." and his wife is giving him this clearly disgusted look.

tough love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhbDIYjkCsk

Daius
Sep 10, 2010

Neurosis posted:

was there some importance or foreshadowing for the final 5's identity that i'm not remembering because i remember them being revealed as cylons just cos and that was when i realised how bad the show would get

I remember there being a scene where Tyrol confides in the old undercover cylon chaplain guy that he thinks he might be a Cylon and the guy goes "lol no m8 i'd know" but I have serious doubts they'd even decided who the final five would be at that point

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Daius posted:

I remember there being a scene where Tyrol confides in the old undercover cylon chaplain guy that he thinks he might be a Cylon and the guy goes "lol no m8 i'd know" but I have serious doubts they'd even decided who the final five would be at that point

At that point the humans don't know all of the common cylons and the cylons (except raiders and probably the hybrids) are shown to be totally ignorant of what the 5 look like, which is why No. 3's story largely focuses on her going insane trying to find out what they look like.

A lot of this is fresh in my mind and while it could probably go either way, I get the feeling the 5 were mapped out, but I think the mystery behind their nature was made up on the spot.

CAMP FARTING ROCKS
Jan 14, 2005

The only fictional swear I've ever found believable and not dumb as poo poo was 'smeg' from Red Dwarf.

A guy on my facebook list unironically uses 'gorramit' from I think Firefly or some poo poo.

Kirk Johnson
May 25, 2014

by Ralp

hemophilia posted:

I get the feeling the 5 were mapped out

If by "mapped out" you mean "picked out of a hat* by Ron Moore the week before filming", then yeah.



*his rear end in a top hat

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Kirk Johnson posted:

If by "mapped out" you mean "picked out of a hat* by Ron Moore the week before filming", then yeah.



*his rear end in a top hat
it wasn't random, they picked 5 of the people who had been most heavily involved in the resistance on New Caprica so the twist would be biggest

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

Doctor Spaceman posted:

it wasn't random, they picked 5 of the people who had been most heavily involved in the resistance on New Caprica so the twist would be biggest

yet somehow it was still meaningless because there was nothing to the 5 other than 'they're cylon and they think they're human'

oh and maybe they had some other tech??? but it was just shoehorned in

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Kirk Johnson posted:

If by "mapped out" you mean "picked out of a hat* by Ron Moore the week before filming", then yeah.



*his rear end in a top hat

Hard to say but you seem bitter about the show and I don't get that. Maybe some of these twists and reveals were bigger letdowns on a week to week basis but I'm pretty well enjoying this entire series so far.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

hemophilia posted:

Hard to say but you seem bitter about the show and I don't get that. Maybe some of these twists and reveals were bigger letdowns on a week to week basis but I'm pretty well enjoying this entire series so far.

yeah just wait until the finale

Kirk Johnson
May 25, 2014

by Ralp

hemophilia posted:

Hard to say but you seem bitter about the show and I don't get that. Maybe some of these twists and reveals were bigger letdowns on a week to week basis but I'm pretty well enjoying this entire series so far.

Dude, it's horseshit. I'm not saying it's not entertaining at times or doesn't have its moments but you'll look back on the whole thing and laugh and shake your head and in your quiet moments of contemplation, consider how better you might have spent the time. Like Lost. I enjoyed BSG but I also enjoy ripping on it.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


I've never seen Lost. I've seen what that show did to people and I've just elected to stay away because I don't want to share that psychosis. But that's all cool. Watching television is in general a huge waste of time, but I happen to have time to kill so vOv

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

Kirk Johnson posted:

Dude, it's horseshit. I'm not saying it's not entertaining at times or doesn't have its moments but you'll look back on the whole thing and laugh and shake your head and in your quiet moments of contemplation, consider how better you might have spent the time. Like Lost. I enjoyed BSG but I also enjoy ripping on it.

i agree with this post

b5 dropped the ball a bit towards the end (lovely first half of season 5 anyway) and ds9 did some questionable things but i'll still rewatch both and enjoy them whereas so much of bsg related to arcs that weren't just fumbled but dropped into an empty nuclear missile silo then shat on from a great height that i have no desire to ever see it again

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

hemophilia posted:

I've never seen Lost. I've seen what that show did to people and I've just elected to stay away because I don't want to share that psychosis. But that's all cool. Watching television is in general a huge waste of time, but I happen to have time to kill so vOv

season 4 and 5 of Lost were some pretty fun genre TV that had decent internal arcs

...of SCIENCE!
Apr 26, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

hemophilia posted:

I've never seen Lost. I've seen what that show did to people and I've just elected to stay away because I don't want to share that psychosis. But that's all cool. Watching television is in general a huge waste of time, but I happen to have time to kill so vOv

Lost is a pretty good TV show that just had the worst fanbase imaginable, if you're enjoying BSG then I think you will like Lost

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


...of SCIENCE! posted:

Lost is a pretty good TV show that just had the worst fanbase imaginable, if you're enjoying BSG then I think you will like Lost

I may give it a chance but I've had exposure to Lindelof. I don't hate him but his style of mystery is not quite what BSG has been doing. That's based on prometheus and The Leftovers, but if I start seeing Prometheus/leftovers style horse-poo poo i'll be bailing.

Kirk Johnson
May 25, 2014

by Ralp
I'll give BSG its due; no matter how ineptly and nonsensical, at least it attempted some form of closure. Lost was just wank from beginning to end which basically made clowns out of the zealots who obsessed about it. You could hear the internet physically groan under the stress of the "it was about the characters all along" u-turn after the finale concluded.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
I think Lost had some balls to go as sci-fi as it did

ianvincible
Jan 23, 2004

Zazi posted:

The only fictional swear I've ever found believable and not dumb as poo poo was 'smeg' from Red Dwarf.

A guy on my facebook list unironically uses 'gorramit' from I think Firefly or some poo poo.

I think the problem with this a lot of the time is when they just use words that sound close to regular English swear words it comes off as fake, or like it's just a new way of mincing oaths (which it is) instead of an actual swear. When they're saying "frack" or "frell" it's about the same as saying "fudge," and then it's hard to take the characters seriously. (Also, John Crichton had translator microbes in his body which is the only reason he, and by extension the viewer, could understand what the aliens were saying. Could the microbes just not figure out that frell=gently caress, or are they too embarrassed to translate swear words?)

Paradoxically, I think one show that did fake swears well was the cartoon Pirates of Dark Water. Since it was a kids' show they didn't try to tiptoe around saying "gently caress," and just made up all new unrelated words for their weird world. Then when Ioz swears it actually sounds like an alien pirate in an alien word swearing alien oaths and not like a kid seeing how close the line he can come before he gets detention.

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a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

any fan base thats full of ~theories~ is poo poo

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