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I think it's more of an anti-techie screed and they deserve every bit of it. Justine Tunney is an absolute lunatic and the fact Google really hasn't done poo poo to reign her in speaks loudly of the issue. Techies being anti-union to me is just plain sad. A professional organization with licensing/certificates and skilled labor that can be apprenticed screams union but nope they just want to take our money and do nothing about it. poo poo, even the problems of outsourcing are a lot of the problems unions face(d) anyway.
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The rabbit hole that is Justine Tunney (The so called INVENTOR OF THE OCCUPY WALL STREET MEME) is very deep. Unsurprisingly, she claims to be a goon too. Truly fitting. Basically, just imagine Eripsea off their meds but more looney and there you are.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:58
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Yeah just having Stanford on your diploma is going to get you a lot more attention than some random state school. Especially their CS department.
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Jul 23, 2014 21:47
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I don't really see a need for everyone to learn programming. I mean if you WANT to an option would be great but my mom's life won't be made better by learning python or ruby and my dad doesn't need that poo poo when he uses his computer for online poker and world of tanks. The thing is, even the people trained in programming? They're usually extremely lovely programmers too! Programming well is hard. It's tedious. It's a lot of work to test and develop something that isn't some basic scripting. The average Joe Blow probably doesn't have the heart or energy for it, and that's okay! Just like I barely understand the inner workings of my car or how a home's built, the average person doesn't need to learn how to program to get good enough use out of a computer. Obviously some quick tips and tricks like basic home repairs/computer fixes/small car maintenance are good to know, but to fully known the ins-outs of stuff is pretty pointless for the majority of people who aren't trained in it and don't have the urge to.
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Jul 30, 2014 01:07
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If you're arguing a lot of the theory and things behind programming (ie Computer Science) can be useful in a daily basis, I MIGHT hear that argument. But general programming knowledge? Nah. Especially if it's some ridiculous idea that everyone needs their own ~*~bespoke~*~ CRUD app or memo taker. In a lot of my high school classes, we used FrontPage/Sharepoint Designer to make webpages. In the semester it took to get everyone on the same page, you got a webpage that you'd expect out of a high school kid. If that's what you want, cool I guess. Or you could go drop a $20 and probably get a very nice looking cookie cutter website from one of the scads of webpage generators out there nowadays. On a scale of 1-10 in 'Things I wish the general population knew more about', I would put 'coding and programming' at like a 2, maybe 3. Stanos fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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Jul 30, 2014 04:38
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enraged_camel posted:If your argument is that basic carpentry skills can increase the average person's productivity as much as basic programming skills can, I can only conclude that you're trolling. If I need to fix my door jamming or some other minor problems with my home/apartment, I can probably find a method online to do it simply with tools I have on hand. This is a generally useful skill. If I want something to eat, I can find a cookbook or something online and use the ingredients to hopefully make something delicious. This is a generally useful skill. If I need a program to play music for me, take notes or other 'simple' things, I'm going to download something. Sure I could probably find out a how-to to make my bespoke artisanal memo app but why the hell would I do that when there's something that suits my needs already out there? Minor home/car repairs, cooking, budgeting, finance know-how are all fairly useful information for the average person out there. Knowing how to make a basic application isn't. Basically here's my main gripe: NYC's Mayor Bloomberg had a pledge to learn coding and he's taken a JavaScript class. What the gently caress do you think bloomberg is going to do with that? Stanos fucked around with this message at 05:00 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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Jul 30, 2014 04:58
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Please explain how carpentry or a mechanic is so radically different from programming that people just couldn't get it. Is there some special brain problem that people have that they could just never wrap their heads around an IF-THEN statement or a linked list if they had all the time in the world? What's different about explaining how to build a house compared to how to develop a program that someone could never get on a surface level? I'm not some rabid anti-techie either, I've worked in the industry. Some of the people may be gross but Not All IT or whatever.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:40
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 You're so close yet so far.
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Jul 30, 2014 19:03
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The next big thing is going to be nearsourcing rather than outsourcing probably. They tried outsourcing before, the costs weren't worth the problems. Easier to pay a guy in bumfuck nowhere 60-65k than it is to pay someone in SV 100k+. You get the knowledge and training along with the Americanized social skills, you don't have to deal with H1Bs/Green card issues and the guy getting paid is still probably rolling in cash for his cost of living area.
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Jul 30, 2014 21:26
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Typo posted:I've seen people who are excellent programmers who can't do carpentry for poo poo and vice-versa. The point of that wasn't 'if you can do this, you can do this too'. The point was to try to understand why programming is some special snowflake that the average person could never understand. It isn't. It's the bizarre complex that somehow programming is for ubermensches and the plebs could never hope to understand it that confuses me. The type of thinking that people like Jeff Atwood push. At least my main point was: Programming/coding can be difficult and tedious, not everyone needs to learn how to do it to get ahead in life or get proper use out of a computer. If we're going to teach someone useful skills in life, coding is not high on that list. It's also a comparison between other skilled trades. Programming isn't some high horse compared to the complexities of building something or other projects. They both require a lot of know-how, skills and training. They're a lot more alike than different. It's more along the lines of something like basic carpentry or plumbing or whatever is going to be more generally useful to the average person than knowing how to make a Hello World program or whatever.
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Jul 30, 2014 23:21
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Xae posted:If you come up with a better set of titles than Engineer and Architect that accurately describe those subsets of Software Development please let me know. - Designer - Programmer - Coder - QA (word that isn't engineer/architect here) - High Greybeard - Developer - System Planner It's actually pretty easy to avoid taking titles of (what should be) protected and highly regulated job titles! It's almost like the fact those titles carry high prestige and people would want to co-op them without the pain involved...
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Jul 31, 2014 17:53
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If an engineer's faults cause an accident or worse, they are usually taken to court and charges are pressed. If one of the projects you worked on was faulty enough to cause an accident or worse, would you be fine with prison or massive fines?
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Jul 31, 2014 19:06
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Xae posted:
Not enough.
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Jul 31, 2014 19:27
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I think 200k is lofty depending on where you live too. My dad's been working at UPS as a driver for 24 years and my mom's a nurse and they are at like 135k. This is in St. Louis so the cost of living is lower than the average. On the coast near NYC or California, yea sure. Otherwise, eeeehhhhhh.
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Aug 1, 2014 18:29
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McAlister posted:I'd rather get universal healthcare and take the leverage of providing healthcare away from employers. While I'm at it, I'd like a guaranteed income and for the rich to get taxed at what they deserve. And a pony.
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Aug 2, 2014 18:21
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thathonkey posted:This came up on my Facebook earlier and I thought of this thread: Got to give them credit, at least they are teaching something that isn't going to disappear in 5 years or be flooded with mid-level developers like rails.
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Can we not misgender Tunney, there's plenty of make fun of without going that route.
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