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Tonetta posted:Its almost like a wage hike affects the largest business the least, and the smallest businesses the most http://www.cbsnews.com/news/small-businesses-back-minimum-wage-hike/ Who knew
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dontcareaboutname posted:lets just pass a law that says if you are married you get double min wage and your spouse can't legally work, people can quit bitching about making no money and birth rates would probably go up. You are really dumb lol
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Jul 30, 2014 18:19
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dontcareaboutname posted:lets just pass a law that says if you are married you get double min wage and your spouse can't legally work, people can quit bitching about making no money and birth rates would probably go up. Yes, let's saddle people with lovely incomes and children at the same time, this is a brilliant plan that will have the following benefits:
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Jul 30, 2014 18:20
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hey why don't we all just get medical or engineering degrees. problem solved
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Jul 30, 2014 18:22
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And of course the thing people rarely discuss - higher wages = lower cost of income assistance programs and welfare. If you were willing to make the naive assumption that Democrats would agree to tax cuts in line with the reduced cost of social welfare spending, it would actually benefit Wal-Mart's bottom line to pay higher wage up front and lower taxes on the back end, because income assistance on the back end also entails a middleman - govt. - and thus economic waste via costs of administration, government inefficiency, etc.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:23
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Effectronica posted:that's 50 cents per trip, not per item yeah i phrased that poorly, what i meant is i'd be happy to pay an extra fifty cents on literally every trip i make anywhere for any reason if it was attendant to a minimum wage hike
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Jul 30, 2014 18:24
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Lazyfire posted:Yes, let's saddle people with lovely incomes and children at the same time, this is a brilliant plan that will have the following benefits: it'd cut the labor force in half making a worker twice as valuable, increasing wages overall due to increased demand. just starve companies of labor and don't let them do anything over seas and force a labor shortage.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:25
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Chris Christie posted:And of course the thing people rarely discuss - higher wages = lower cost of income assistance programs and welfare. But then you wouldn't have a class of exploitable wage slaves trapped into a cycle of barely eking out an existence can't have that dontcareaboutname posted:don't let them do anything over seas lol
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Jul 30, 2014 18:27
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dontcareaboutname posted:it'd cut the labor force in half making a worker twice as valuable, increasing wages overall due to increased demand. just starve companies of labor and don't let them do anything over seas and force a labor shortage. lol are you a Random Terrible Idea Generator?
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Jul 30, 2014 18:28
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Hey guys all we have to do is [something that is literally impossible] and it will fix the problem!
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Jul 30, 2014 18:29
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Well lots of goons support having a guaranteed minimum income/negative income tax, such that they receive food, housing, and medical expenses no matter what. Do those same people support removing minimum wage at the same time(obviously not the latter without the former)? It seems like there's little reason to stop walmart from paying part of that bill if the government is picking up the tab anyway, my only real problem is the coercion inherent in current employer-employee relationships. Presumably you'd structure it so any money you earn corresponds to some percentage of that amount of benefits going away, so you're incentivized to work while not forcing you to.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:29
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Fandyien posted:yeah i phrased that poorly, what i meant is i'd be happy to pay an extra fifty cents on literally every trip i make anywhere for any reason if it was attendant to a minimum wage hike
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Jul 30, 2014 18:30
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Trixie Hardcore posted:lol are you a Random Terrible Idea Generator? you got supply and demand we have more workers than jobs so wages will stagnate, so swing things the other way.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:31
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Trixie Hardcore posted:Hey guys all we have to do is [something that is literally impossible] and it will fix the problem!
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it's been a good long time since someone was bold enough to be an out-n-out nihilist lol
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Jul 30, 2014 18:32
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we could just kill every illegal in the country and get rid of all guest workers and open a few million jobs slots.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:32
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dontcareaboutname posted:it'd cut the labor force in half making a worker twice as valuable, increasing wages overall due to increased demand. just starve companies of labor and don't let them do anything over seas and force a labor shortage.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:33
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dontcareaboutname posted:we could just kill every illegal in the country and get rid of all guest workers and open a few million jobs slots. i too long to be paid $4/hr to pick strawberries in southern california or tobacco in north carolina
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Jul 30, 2014 18:34
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Forgall posted:you know what also would cut labor force in half? rounding up all conservatives into death camps and gassing them
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Jul 30, 2014 18:34
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Jeffrey posted:Well lots of goons support having a guaranteed minimum income/negative income tax, such that they receive food, housing, and medical expenses no matter what. Do those same people support removing minimum wage at the same time(obviously not the latter without the former)? It seems like there's little reason to stop walmart from paying part of that bill if the government is picking up the tab anyway, my only real problem is the coercion inherent in current employer-employee relationships. Presumably you'd structure it so any money you earn corresponds to some percentage of that amount of benefits going away, so you're incentivized to work while not forcing you to. No. Minimum wage is important, because reasons Trixie Hardcore posted:Hey guys all we have to do is [something that is literally impossible] and it will fix the problem! We just need 50 straight dudes to blow 95 dicks a day for 6 months and obama will be hung for his crimes
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Jul 30, 2014 18:34
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this thread is a bad thread.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:35
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Forgall posted:you know what also would cut labor force in half? rounding up all conservatives into death camps and gassing them Ahaha this but unironically
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Jul 30, 2014 18:36
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capitalism is a flawless system as long as nobody acts like an rear end in a top hat outlaw being an rear end in a top hat, problem solved
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Jul 30, 2014 18:38
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Forgall posted:you know what also would cut labor force in half? rounding up all conservatives into death camps and gassing them huh since american leftist are european rightest. conservatives want lower taxes and easier wealth generation for everyone. Our current crop of liberal politicians are fostering a new generation of robber barons atm.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:38
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hey I have another idea: what if we could evolve people who don't need food, sleep, or shelter to live? like wow that would solve all of our problems, why are we not doing this??!?
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Jul 30, 2014 18:41
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Monkey Fracas posted:hey I have another idea: what if we could evolve people who don't need food, sleep, or shelter to live?
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Jul 30, 2014 18:41
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Monkey Fracas posted:hey I have another idea: what if we could evolve people who don't need food, sleep, or shelter to live? Im a chemist with a bit of a biology background, ill get right on it, by reversing the aids genome into producing food instead of killing white blood cells. Then ill poz ur neg rear end
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Jul 30, 2014 18:42
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Tonetta posted:Or, uh, we could adjust tax rates so people living at or below the poverty line pay even less than they do, and make up the difference in taxing corporations more? Why people below the po erty line have to pay taxes to begin with is beyond me raising the minimum wage literally has the same effect as raising taxes on corporations, hth
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Jul 30, 2014 18:42
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Savington posted:raising the minimum wage literally has the same effect as raising taxes on corporations, hth Yea except it doesnt because poors arent giving corporations money so the kiddle class eats the losses
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Jul 30, 2014 18:45
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Savington posted:raising the minimum wage literally has the same effect as raising taxes on corporations, hth which they will just pass down to their customers in price increases, and even though they only need to raise cost say 50 cents a trip they will make sure it cost customers all the extra money their would have earned that week instead, because they can now afford to, and it will mkae investors happy.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:45
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Tonetta posted:Im a chemist with a bit of a biology background, ill get right on it, by reversing the aids genome into producing food instead of killing white blood cells. Then ill poz ur neg rear end the solution is in progress people no need to talk about it anymore we've done it
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Jul 30, 2014 18:46
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can we just oulaw all predatory stock trading practices that drive up prices, and reinstate the law that went into effect then repealed that outlaws congressmen from insider trading?
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Jul 30, 2014 18:49
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A lot of well thought out solutions for America itt
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Jul 30, 2014 18:49
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can we just give liberals the east coast and sacramento, and conservatives the rest of the country so we can just move to a profitable war based economy? I mean after we become two separate countries.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:50
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dontcareaboutname posted:can we just oulaw all predatory stock trading practices that drive up prices, and reinstate the law that went into effect then repealed that outlaws congressmen from insider trading? you want everyone's retirement funds, pensions, etc to go down in value? who do you think is the owner of those stocks being traded? i don't know what you're calling predatory(there's definitely some predatory stuff out there) but I don't think "all the stock prices go down" is an outcome you should be shooting for.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:53
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Tonetta posted:Yea except it doesnt because poors arent giving corporations money so the kiddle class eats the losses Actually poor and middle class consumers are the engine of the entire economy and they are more likely to buy things if you throw a few extra dollars a week or month at them than if you cut taxes for top earners or corporations. Based on that it makes more sense for large retailers to increase their pay rates so their employees can buy more directly from them and increase the amount of income each store makes.
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dontcareaboutname posted:can we just give liberals the east coast and sacramento, and conservatives the rest of the country so we can just move to a profitable war based economy? I mean after we become two separate countries. Lol this guy
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Jul 30, 2014 18:54
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Jeffrey posted:you want everyone's retirement funds to go down in value? who do you think is the owner of those stocks being held? i don't know what you're calling predatory(there's definitely some predatory stuff out there) but I don't think "all the stock prices go down" is an outcome you should be shooting for. i mean as in they stabalize and we make less stock bubbles as often. and increase interest rates so bonds don't suck again.
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we will deflate our way to a prosperous middle class.
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