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Aug 14, 2014 18:03
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bassguitarhero posted:The anti-militarization wave will probably disappear pretty quickly once all the tension dies off, but the difference between showing up kitted out with tactical gear and showing up with your regular gear and talking to the people involved is definitely night and day. People were angry because they were hurt and just acknowledging that and acknowledging them went so far. Yeah I don't actually think any of this equipment is a problem in and of itself (though we could have a conversation about increase in no-knock raids, etc), it's the idea that you should show up to a protest looking like you're ready to kill everyone. Like what the gently caress, whose idea was that? Xandu fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Aug 15, 2014 |
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Aug 15, 2014 01:09
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Feds won't back off the investigation once protests dies down (which they likely will in a few days), but no chance at tougher laws against cops.
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Aug 15, 2014 01:15
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pillsburysoldier posted:The equipment can be a problem in the sense that people mistake toys for good training. Rolling out fancy new things can be way sexier to voters than good police work Sexier to cops, too, but yeah, giving them these toys makes them went to use them even when they aren't appropriate.
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Aug 15, 2014 01:17
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the posted:I like how the newly appointed cop to take over the security just happened to be a Black guy. Well, he also happened to be someone from the local community who knew what the gently caress he was doing, so maybe a good choice?
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Aug 15, 2014 01:18
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Cease to Hope posted:Posted by Yamiche Alcindor from USA Today. St Louis police chief.
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Aug 15, 2014 02:21
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Daynab posted:Whitehouse.gov petition for a law requiring police to have cameras on them at all times: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/mike-brown-law-requires-all-state-county-and-local-police-wear-camera/8tlS5czf might be worth signing just because they have to address it, and near 18k signatures already. Is that even something the feds can make happen?
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Aug 15, 2014 03:01
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:Is the alderman guy Antonio French who was arrested last night still in prison? No he was released this morning.
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Aug 15, 2014 03:03
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Does anyone know what database the NYT pulled this 1033 info from? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/15/us/surplus-military-equipment-map.html?smid=tw-nytimes I've seen a few news organizations publishing similar data, so I assume it wasn't FOIAd, but I can't find it online edit: bleh, they did FOIA it all the way back to 2000, just aren't publishing the raw data. Xandu fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Aug 16, 2014 |
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Aug 16, 2014 03:09
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chitoryu12 posted:I think the Zimmerman case officially quashed that. It's now completely legitimate to use lethal force on someone unarmed as long as you think that they can kill or cripple you with their bare hands or the ground under your feet. That's not related to Zimmerman. If there's a legitimate threat on your life, you can use lethal force, unarmed or not. edit: There were some stand your ground aspects in Zimmerman, but actual police officers are not under obligation to retreat. Xandu fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Aug 17, 2014 |
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Aug 17, 2014 21:04
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Cease to Hope posted:Johnson orders two journos arrested, but they're free now What an odd choice to send him there.
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Aug 18, 2014 04:02
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Cease to Hope posted:This is over at the police staging point, not near the front line No I just meant the Telegraph sending a British correspondent noted for his coverage of Darfur and Pakistan.
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Aug 18, 2014 04:11
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Rollofthedice posted:Prelim autopsy, we'll know more later (within a few days?) Could he have been shot from the side, in the arms? That might explain witness confusion a bit. ' Probably not. quote:“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”
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Aug 18, 2014 04:48
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natetimm posted:So, I'm betting what side of his arms the bullets entered on is going to tell the story. If you're holding your hands up near your head to fight, chances are the bullets would enter the forward facing sides of your arms in a fighting stance, which would actually be the outward facing edge. If you're holding your hands above your head completely, the bullets would actually enter the undersides of your arms instead of the forward edges. Unless for some reason his hands were up like a football ref calling a touchdown which doesn't make sense.  If you lined up the arms a little bit differently, they're basically right next to the bullet that hit his head.
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Aug 18, 2014 05:25
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Those doing the looting and starting poo poo are outliers. That's absolutely the case (and had the police response been better initially, it probably wouldn't even be an issue), but the police still have to respond to those incidents.
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Aug 18, 2014 23:58
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Nonsense posted:Those are certainly visibly lit and seen being thrown at police officers. Well they aren't there for show, I'm not sure what your point is.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:10
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Nonsense posted:Because there is no evidence they were ever used Xandu. What's the alternative? That they were just carrying them for the hell of it? I find that less likely. towelieban posted:No, I believe they were actually poured out onto the ground in memory of their 'dead homies'. Get out.
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Aug 19, 2014 00:15
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parthenocarpy posted:just saw alice Ok guys, we don't really need these kind of live updates in the thread.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:46
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parthenocarpy posted:uhhhh are you serious? should i get off the street too? have i made the thread worse somehow with that post? Well there were 975 posts in the few hours I was away, so yes 
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Aug 19, 2014 04:50
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chitoryu12 posted:I can loving see why Amnesty International is deploying. The only thing separating these police actions from third-world countries is that nobody's been executed or disappeared into a van. Hold on, that's a pretty big loving difference.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:50
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death .cab for qt posted:There's a GBS thread that's a pretty nice live stream reaction thread, if y'all wanna head over there for it. I'm okay with a little leeeway in response to the live streams, but as a general rule, if your post has zero content, maybe GBS is the better place for it.
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Aug 19, 2014 04:54
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hcreight posted:He broke his iPhone cable a few nights ago and spend a good portion of the evening looking for a working cable so he could recharge. He's been mooching free stuff off of various people every night and it's kind of inexcusable that he keeps showing up ill-prepared when he's not even shooting all day. Given what Vice pays, can't blame him too much.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:32
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Iowa Snow King posted:People keep saying "given what Vice pays"; is Vice like volunteer journalism or something 30k in NYC, pretty much.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:45
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ABC News is also reporting a "serious facial injury" on Wilson, based on anon sources.
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Aug 20, 2014 19:25
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MattO posted:I'm sure this is not the best in the way of anatomically correct, but I just spun the arm up and around. Interesting to see the "grouping" when the arm is raised. Don't know if it really explains the bullet going from his eye to his collarbone, though.
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Aug 20, 2014 22:36
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Probably in the same position as the top to the head. The bullet traveled straight down his face. Yeah I agree, that's the most logical, and what the article said. But it's not totally consistent with him standing there with his hands straight up, though I guess it's plausible it started out that way and then he tried to cover his head or something. quote:One of the bullets shattered Mr. Brown’s right eye, traveled through his face, exited his jaw and re-entered his collarbone. edit: \/\/\/ is covering one's face with palms out really a natural position?
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Aug 20, 2014 23:00
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Philip Rivers posted:Open palms facing forward is a pretty universal sign for "stop". Yeah I don't know what I was thinking, that definitely makes sense. fknlo posted:Bullet could have gone in at just the right angle, followed the curvature of the ocular area and gone down? Bullets can do weird things inside the body. Certainly possible, I can't claim to be an expert in how bullets interact with things.
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Aug 20, 2014 23:13
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Zeitgueist posted:What does it actually matter though? What does the position he was shot in matter? It's probably going to determine a lot of how any potential trial against the cop will go.
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Aug 20, 2014 23:27
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Koalas March posted:gently caress that. Is he family or have any input on your future job market? No? Call him out. Never let prejudice override a conversation. Call him on every single wrong fact until he relents or blocks you. I don't understand fuckers who let some rear end spew racism because they'd rather ignore the confrontation. Because it's not clear it's a friend, it's a guy on his "IM list". And ultimately, it's a waste of time. You won't change his mind, he won't learn anything, and you'll get frustrated and angry from arguing. Somebody spewing that poo poo in person, or a close friend/relative? Sure, call them out on that. But not every idiot is worth arguing with.
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Aug 24, 2014 06:26
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on the left posted:Hmmmm, why might it be hard to find police in crime-stricken minority neighborhoods? Probably because if you have a criminal record, you are disqualified, and if you are a close social acquaintance of a gang member, it's also a dealbreaker. Majority of NYPD are minorities, same with LAPD, though blacks are somewhat underrepresented in the NYPD. It's the non-urban police departments that are heavily white.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:27
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botany posted:Germany also has pretty strict gun control laws So not analogous at all, then. I'm all for disarming police, but let's disarm everyone else, first.
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Sep 1, 2014 14:34
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SedanChair posted:I'm not asking you. It's the same answer. There's a shitload of gun crime in the US. Around ten thousand firearm-related homicides and nearly 500k non-fatal firearm-related crimes a year. It's stupid to take away guns from cops and then require a special force to respond to every incident of armed violence. Less people might die due to police shootings, though probably not that many, since quite a few of those deaths occur at the hands of a SWAT team (and in a world where beat cops didn't have guns, SWAT teams would be used way more often), but more people would die waiting for armed police to respond.
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Sep 1, 2014 18:43
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Who What Now posted:Neither of them need to be disarmed first, because they can be disarmed simultaneously. There is no need for a chicken and egg scenario. Well, good look disarming American citizens. I can't see any scenario where that happens. It would probably take a school full of children being shot. Oh wait...
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Sep 1, 2014 18:47
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Nevvy Z posted:This is a bullshit argument. You can't retreat to "it'll never happen" as an argument against something because then you are just in the realm of circular logic. Might as well not talk about any change ever because they'll never happen since no one is even trying to make them happen so might as well not try to make them happen... I don't usually, but all the Supreme Court decisions, the failure of even mandatory universal background checks, has there been a meaningful bit of gun control passed in 20 years? I just can't see it happening, and acting like it could is a fantasy.
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Could the federal government even force police disarmament or would that have to be handled by local jurisdictions?Who What Now posted:That's an argument from incredulity, a fallacy. Simply because you don't think it's likely doesn't make it impossible and it doesn't make it not worth considering and discussing. You can discuss it, but it's a discussion totally divorced from reality unless you can provide some sort of path for it to happen.
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Sep 1, 2014 19:00
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Vahakyla posted:Police officers and deputies, licenced and trained by the state. The certifications are granted and revoked by state. Hmm, so if you could handle it on the state level, that would be do-able, but if it had to be done by cities/counties, that would be a lot more difficult.
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Someone can create a new thread to focus just on case, but please don't close your threads.
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Sep 3, 2014 05:53
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It could be more focused than the past few pages, but given lack of new info, a broader discussion is inevitable.
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Evil_Greven posted:I kind of wonder, based on articles like this... are there even enough people in Ferguson for that bolded figure to be plausible? Edit: 2-300 cases an hour would mean 1 in 100 residents were in court at a time on certain days. Xandu fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Sep 10, 2014 |
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