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Stultus Maximus posted:Today's paper: How is that supposed to make Riverview feel?
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Peven Stan posted:This 84 year old man could've easily killed or seriously maimed dozens of officers with his shove so it makes sense to beat the poo poo out of him Even the charge was probably them being assholes. Most of the time, NYC cops don't give two shits about jaywalking and literally everyone who's physically able to will do it. Either they thought an elderly man who didn't speak a lot of English was an easy target for a ticket or they had a quota to fill. Or they were feeling assholish.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:41
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Trabisnikof posted:Has someone already posted the wapo story about how the killer officer's previous job was at a police department that had to be shut down due to extreme racism? Where did you get that from? Everything I've read says he had 6 years experience, all at Ferguson.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:49
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chitoryu12 posted:From what I understand, the UK police are viewed by the public (and in turn view the public) much differently than in the United States. Here, there's a general "gently caress the police" attitudude. I think it's a function of different class war dynamics ultimately. Certainly the police here are just as willing to shoot young black men given the chance, and are just as tribal about never punishing murderers. UK police also have some of the most authoritarian powers in the world, pre-emptive arrest with the justification being chosen from a drop-down box on the report, a massive surveillance state, absurdly strict rules for public assembly. We're a small rich nation with a deeply aristocratic history and present, those physical and cultural factors means social control can be more light touch but it's no more humane or civilised really. My impression of US police is that they see themselves as either cowboys or soldiers, and that in such a huge, young country physical force is given precedence over 'gentle' social control, for what that's worth.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:57
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Stultus Maximus posted:Where did you get that from? Everything I've read says he had 6 years experience, all at Ferguson. Here's the article.
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Aug 24, 2014 21:58
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Stultus Maximus posted:Where did you get that from? Everything I've read says he had 6 years experience, all at Ferguson. http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...?wpmk=MK0000203 Washington post says he actually has a 3 year history with Ferguson when they did Actual Journalism and looked up the history. Previous to that he worked in Jennings, MO, a town where the city council voted to totally disband and re-form their police force after a series of escalating racist incidents, culminating with a police officer chasing a black woman out of jurisdiction and firing at her with a child in her car. When the FPD said he had a 6 year history: quelle surprise, the Ferguson PD was lying or just didn't give enough of a poo poo to determine the truth. Admittedly, we probably should have doubted their assertion in the first place since literally everything else they've said has been a lie in some small or large fashion. Their behavior with the blank incident report, the failure to file documents for years, the chief's lies, the fake crowdfunding site run by them, and their actions in general are pretty much enough to put you in the mode where, if Chief Jackson said the sky was blue, you'd want to go outside and look up just to be sure. Sappo fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Aug 24, 2014 |
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Aug 24, 2014 22:00
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I love this idea that the media hasn't given Darren Wilson a voice. Dang, maybe it has something to do with him being huddled in a hotel out-of-state quietly waiting for this all to blow over.
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Aug 24, 2014 22:23
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1stGear posted:I love this idea that the media hasn't given Darren Wilson a voice. Dang, maybe it has something to do with him being huddled in a hotel out-of-state quietly waiting for this all to blow over. Is it premature to start talking about what happens when the grand jury declines to indict? What are the likely scenarios? How violent are things likely to get?
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Aug 24, 2014 22:34
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Protests tend to burn hottest when they're fresh. McCullough doesn't expect to finish the grand jury until October so by the time they do or don't indict, there may be protests but barring some other major issue they won't be what they were the last two weeks.
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Aug 24, 2014 22:39
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bassguitarhero posted:Protests tend to burn hottest when they're fresh. McCullough doesn't expect to finish the grand jury until October so by the time they do or don't indict, there may be protests but barring some other major issue they won't be what they were the last two weeks. I think the verdict would be widely publicized, which could reignite anger if he gets off with a slap to the wrist.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:I think the verdict would be widely publicized, which could reignite anger if he gets off with a slap to the wrist. This was supposed to happen in Oakland too, this stuff fizzles out right quick and the pols know they can just wait it out, like Wilson in the Motel 6 up the road.
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Obdicut posted:I'd say it distracts attention away from the actual police state poo poo that's going on. It's been this way with wood rounds forever. They were originally developed to be fired directly, but during testing they found that torso hits usually resulted in broken ribs, and headshots could be lethal. So rather than re-engineer the round, they changed the name from 'non-lethal' to 'less-than-lethal' and told departments to 'skip' them off the ground without any real training.
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Aug 24, 2014 23:36
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Stultus Maximus posted:Today's paper: Woo, U City represent!
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Aug 24, 2014 23:42
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Stultus Maximus posted:Today's paper: Is their point that police departments do not hire blacks, or that blacks do not apply?
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Aug 24, 2014 23:44
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chitoryu12 posted:British police aren't really treated that way at all, nor are you especially likely to be walking down the street with your hands in your pockets and get screamed at and gunned down for looking too shifty and dark-skinned. The Calgary Police Service hired a bunch of officers from England. I don't know if England took it as their opportunity to get rid of whatever retards and pricks had found their way onto the force, but the "imports" are definitely more annoying, invasive, and unpleasant to deal with than Canadian-trained officers, in my experience and according to everyone else I've talked to. Just a counterpoint to the perception that British police are a treat to deal with.
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Aug 24, 2014 23:50
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Fog Tripper posted:Is their point that police departments do not hire blacks, or that blacks do not apply? Their point is, regardless of why, that local PDs do not represent the communities they police.
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Aug 24, 2014 23:57
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Fog Tripper posted:Is their point that police departments do not hire blacks, or that blacks do not apply? Here's the story http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...bb95c5e1c6.html
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PT6A posted:The Calgary Police Service hired a bunch of officers from England. I don't know if England took it as their opportunity to get rid of whatever retards and pricks had found their way onto the force, but the "imports" are definitely more annoying, invasive, and unpleasant to deal with than Canadian-trained officers, in my experience and according to everyone else I've talked to. Just a counterpoint to the perception that British police are a treat to deal with. British cops don't carry guns. Doesn't mean they aren't complete assholes, just means that they don't shoot people in their rear end in a top hat moments.
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Aug 25, 2014 00:08
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Kalman posted:British cops don't carry guns. Doesn't mean they aren't complete assholes, just means that they don't shoot people in their rear end in a top hat moments. Well, we give 'em guns, so we don't even get that benefit.
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Aug 25, 2014 00:10
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on the left posted:The autopsy seems to suggest that it's unlikely Brown was shot from behind or at an upright stance: So it's good news that it appears unlikely that Brown was shot from behind - yay for the cop!...Even though the cop was shooting at him from behind. It's pretty hosed up that in today's world people hold up as a hero someone who tries to shoot a fleeing person in the back. We've come a long way, America.
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Aug 25, 2014 00:11
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Kalman posted:British cops don't carry guns. Doesn't mean they aren't complete assholes, just means that they don't shoot people in their rear end in a top hat moments. Tell that to Jean Charles de Menezes....
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A long way from what? Unless you're being sarcastic, and I'm being dense, we've moved baby steps from where we at when the country was formed.
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beatlegs posted:It's pretty hosed up that in today's world people hold up as a hero someone who tries to shoot a fleeing person in the back. We've come a long way, America. Oh, there's tons of lionized sheriffs, bandits, and folk heroes from the Wild West who get looked up to and admired. Worldwide, even, who did way worse than shoot people in the back. Not that it's a good thing to compare today's heroes with those of 200 years ago but that's what people like to do anyway I suppose. murphyslaw fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Aug 25, 2014 00:19
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Kalman posted:British cops don't carry guns. Doesn't mean they aren't complete assholes, just means that they don't shoot people in their rear end in a top hat moments. That's mostly because they don't carry guns. The Met has a reasonably poor reputation.
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Aug 25, 2014 00:20
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Fog Tripper posted:Is their point that police departments do not hire blacks, or that blacks do not apply? Either one would still be a problem.
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VitalSigns posted:I love "college leftists" as an insult because it reveals the reactionaries' disdain of education and learning. You don't need to be an ignorant hick to look down on entitled sociology and gender studies majors. Trabisnikof posted:Their point is, regardless of why, that local PDs do not represent the communities they police. So you are saying that it would be desirable for say a community that is almost exclusively white to limit the number of minorities allowed to work as police or other governmental jobs?
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Aug 25, 2014 01:01
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on the left posted:So you are saying that it would be desirable for say a community that is almost exclusively white to limit the number of minorities allowed to work as police or other governmental jobs? A community that's exclusively white wouldn't have the problem of needing to exclude minorities in the first place.
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nm posted:That's mostly because they don't carry guns. The Met has a reasonably poor reputation. My god, you mean American cops aren't actually outliers and European cops aren't some kind of panacea?
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Aug 25, 2014 01:06
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on the left posted:You don't need to be an ignorant hick to look down on entitled sociology and gender studies majors. For some reason I don't think an almost-exclusively white community would end up with a 95-percent minority police force.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:07
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on the left posted:
Cute stawman. Do you disagree that its problematic when police don't represent the community they police?
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Aug 25, 2014 01:12
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How is it a strawman to point out the implications of "police should represent their communities racially"? It's a perfectly logical conclusion. I don't think that there should be quotas or hiring rules that force a department to match the demographics, it should more or less naturally happen given the commuting distances involved and any rules that exist requiring police to live in the community.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:17
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on the left posted:How is it a strawman to point out the implications of "police should represent their communities racially"? It's a perfectly logical conclusion. And yet, Stultus Maximus posted:Today's paper:
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Aug 25, 2014 01:19
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Hmmmm, why might it be hard to find police in crime-stricken minority neighborhoods? Probably because if you have a criminal record, you are disqualified, and if you are a close social acquaintance of a gang member, it's also a dealbreaker. Also, a lot of inner-city police departments hire only hire people who have been to college, which would greatly hurt the ability of minorities from communities with 50-60% HS graduation rates to get a job.
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on the left posted:Hmmmm, why might it be hard to find police in crime-stricken minority neighborhoods? Probably because if you have a criminal record, you are disqualified, and if you are a close social acquaintance of a gang member, it's also a dealbreaker. Majority of NYPD are minorities, same with LAPD, though blacks are somewhat underrepresented in the NYPD. It's the non-urban police departments that are heavily white.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:27
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I figured the white police force was leftover from when the community WAS majority white, and police jobs just don't turn over very fast.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:28
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I guess being a racist cop from a jurisdiction that got shut down for racism isn't a disqualification. Shocking. 
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Criminal record is not a disqualifier for police jobs, neither is drug use. For the most part, several years since the last time is enough if you are otherwise a candidate that the department wants. Nothing prevents a municipality from accepting applicants with marijuana convictions and minor theft convictions or other similar histories. A violent felony is usually an automatic disqualifier, as are several DUIs. In certain departments, consistent traffic violations have been deemed worse than minor crimes in the past. Besides that, a lot of departments will hire people with criminal records if you are honest and open about it and a candidate they want. Honesty and directness about your past goes a long way during the background investigation. If a community wants to recruit minorities, even in a poverty stricken area, they certainly can do it.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdSsBYO1oNI This is amazing.
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Aug 25, 2014 01:58
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So, how are the protests going? I hear they're still going on and that they're quieter. Neo Duckburg? Are the cops behaving, and what cops are there?
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FAUXTON posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdSsBYO1oNI If you're going to send this to your conservative friend/relative, I would make sure to tell them to watch to the very end, because they'll probably think it's real.
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