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Sep 8, 2014 17:18
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Pron on VHS posted:Can someone explain Rovell's tweet, what does "no employee has job to worry about" mean and how does it connect to the first part of the sentence Well, if the business is closed, then they had to lay off all the employees.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:21
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mA posted:"I've learned how to lead my wife." "Yeah that bitch does a good job bobbing and weaving, i gotta lead my fist a bit to compensate"
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Sep 8, 2014 17:54
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ColdReaches posted:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686301-every-nfl-player-arrested-in-2013/ I must have missed some offseason news.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:01
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I bet if Goodell gets fired, he'll get some sort of gigantic golden parachute that's going to piss us off further.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:36
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Ehud posted:Now begins the countdown: Will another team contact Rice? I know people are cynical, but there's no way in hell anyone does, at least for this season.
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Sep 8, 2014 19:23
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Heh, i wonder how long this article is going to stay up on the Raven's website: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news...29&media-type=N
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Sep 8, 2014 19:27
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CzarStark posted:I'm still super stuck on this: To be fair, a lot of things could have happened to cause his fiancee to get knocked out besides loading up on a haymaker like Rice did. It didn't help that we didn't see the video until today and the fact that his fiancee was swearing up and down that something other than what the video shows happened.
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Sep 8, 2014 19:45
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Goodell probably has a $200 million golden parachute. I'm going to be very angry when he's fired and cashes that check.
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Sep 9, 2014 02:00
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Also, people are way too harsh on Goodell and not harsh enough on the owners. Most of the stuff that Goodell does that makes people angry can be traced to the owners forcing him to do it. He's a sockpuppet.
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Sep 9, 2014 02:05
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Kalli posted:I'll reopen this in the morning when TMZ does something interesting TMZ said the NFL never asked the Casino for the video http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/09/nfl-ray-rice-video-elevator-attack-fiancee-casino-footage/ I thought the TMZ guy said yesterday they had proof they saw the video.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:12
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football fuckerman posted:Janay Rice posted something really sad on Instagram: https://twitter.com/tjholmes/status/509324530817716224 The sad thing is, if Ray Rice was suspended for a year (or 'indefinitely') and had to go through some sort of mandatory counseling, everyone would have been better off.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:32
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football fuckerman posted:He has to do counseling for his criminal sentence and what do you mean everyone would be better off exactly Well, the League/Goodell/The Ravens wouldn't look like idiots right now, Rice could focus more on rehabilitation while he sits out a season, he'd still be able to support his wife/family as a football player, etc. I'm just thinking of Vick - I consider what he did 100 times worse and he got a second chance after prison.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:39
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Lorini posted:Vick got the second chance after serving both a prison term and a long suspension. He was also championed by Tony Dungy and had committed to working with the SPCA to help eliminate dog fighting. None of this applies to Ray Rice. Vick already told Rice he needed to do something significant to help abused women, but no response from Rice. What Vick did was so grotesque that our society wouldn't tolerate Vick getting probation + community service. I don't see why Tony Dungy would have championed Vick, it was a disgusting crime. And Vick did all that stuff after his punishment (and lets be honest, it's to rehabilitate his image).
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Sep 9, 2014 14:55
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football fuckerman posted:Making sure he can still support his family is his loving business, not the league's or the ravens' Nobody's saying he shouldn't be punished. But they did make it their business by giving him a light punishment, that's the point.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:59
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Nail Rat posted:How would you feel about comparing the two if Janay Palmer had died from the punch? Because grown rear end men have died from knockout punches to the face. That would obviously be different. But between what Ray actually did and what Vick did, I find having dogs tear each other apart for money, electrocuting them, drowning them, starving them, putting them on 'rape stands' far worse.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:03
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YMB posted:Yeah, but I think the main point there is that Vick actually faced criminal punishment for committing a crime, which Ray Rice will never do. Vick arguably lost a lot more than Ray Rice will and it took him a long, long time and a lot of work to build his way back to a respectable place in society. And a lot of people still hate him, and always will. I agree it was a disgusting crime - with appropriate punishment and what I believe to be a real change in Vick as a person in more ways than one. That could still happen for Rice - it remains to be seen. Well, we have to ask what the law says about domestic violence cases and what the DA usually does in these cases. Not all crimes are equal, that's kinda the point. The other point is that people here don't seem to have a problem with Vick getting that second chance. I think a lot of this is emotion from the video. I kinda wonder what would happen if video surfaced of what Vick did shortly after he got caught, i doubt he'd be playing now.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:07
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football fuckerman posted:They what? I don't understand The NFL hosed up by giving such a light sentence and that actually adversely affects his earning potential more than doing the right thing and giving him a year off.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:08
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football fuckerman posted:Who gives a fat gently caress about his earning potential you massive idiot I personally don't, but it's a fact that Ray Rice got screwed over by Goodell more by doling out a lenient sentence.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:12
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Auron posted:What in the gently caress? Ray Rice screwed himself over by being a massive loving idiot woman beater piece of poo poo. No one screwed over Ray Rice. football fuckerman posted:You're still making no sense at all and if you don't care then stop posting constantly about it You're really emotional. That's kinda the problem with threads like these. Actually that happened with Vick as well, but eventually that poo poo dies down and people can look at these cases more logically. If society says Vick deserves a second chance in the NFL (and i sure as hell am not saying he does), how could anyone say Rice doesn't as well. That's all i'm saying.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:16
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Nail Rat posted:You're missing the point. Outcome doesn't change the fact that he easily could have killed her with what he actually did. And as mentioned, Vick lost tens of millions of dollars and spent time in an actual prison for what he did, and did tons of charity work. Ray Rice isn't doing any of that(the most money he's losing is like 8 million or so, he's not going to jail, he hasn't said poo poo about wanting to help battered women). "Outcome doesn't change the fact that he easily could have killed her with what he actually did" This is a completely indefensible position and you know it. If he killed his wife, that changes everything, and the law says it does as well.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:18
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DARPA posted:The only reason anyone even cares about the incident is Rice is famous and not some hillbilly unemployed redneck living in a trailer. Demanding penance for a crime that usually results in anger management classes and probation is silly. Vick ran an organized dog fighting ring for years compared to a single violent outburst. Thank god, I was the only sane person in here. TFF gets way too loving emotional when these stories break out. Someone needs to do a 'before and after' comparison from the archives when the Vick story broke out. Vick getting a 2nd chance is far less defensible than Ray Rice.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:23
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football fuckerman posted:No, it's been since Gendo left. And I don't like doing it either but every thread in this forum is ruined by bad posters You probably don't realize it, but you acting like a baby makes you a bad poster.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:26
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Earthy Ape Unit posted:Vick still had something to offer the league. Rice is a 28 year old dwarf running back with declining skills. He's done, who cares about his second chance. That's a different argument rather than whether it's morally permissible to let him back in.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:34
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DangerKat posted:1) What has Ray Rice done to earn a second chance that makes one more justified than Vick having gotten one? Nothing, until he serves out a deserved punishment. I personally don't think Vick should have gotten a second chance because the crime was so grotesque, even after the stuff he did to 'rehabilitate' his image. What i'm saying is, there is a ton of hypocrisy in people being ok with Vick being let back in. quote:2) You're always putting "TFF" in this box as if the community is unique in all its reactions to issues around football. People everywhere are outraged about Ray Rice and have been since the first video of Janay Rice's body being dragged out of the elevator first came out. And with the new video leaving no room for doubt on what happened, I don't know how you can expect people to be open to him receiving a second chance before actually doing something to earn it. No, TFF sometimes has different opinions then the general consensus but there's a bit of an echo chamber within TFF at times even when it disagrees. The thing is, there are domestic violence cases in the NFL without video that nobody seems to care nearly as much about, and that bothers me as well.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:10
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Mahoning posted:We know almost nothing about those cases. We know almost everything about this one. Do you think Michael Vick would have gotten a second chance or Tony Dungy becoming Vick's 'mentor' would have happened if video surfaced of him hanging/drowning/electrocuting/shooting a dog to death?
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Sep 9, 2014 16:21
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DangerKat posted:I disagree, Vick served a deserved punishment and whether or not his post-prison outreach efforts were truly sincere, it makes a positive impact because of his visibility and image. I mean, it kinda feels like people here are saying it doesn't matter what crime you committed, as long as you serve out your sentence and somehow get lucky and get a respected mentor to game public perception of you can get back into the NFL. Also, it really feels like people are equivocating Rice and Vick's crimes and if Rice would only follow Vick's example, all would be forgiven. Like that other poster said, Rice had a single violent outburst (that we know of), and Vick ran a loving dog torture/murder operation for years.
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ZenVulgarity posted:And then he was in prison for two years. Felons shouldn't be treated like Scarlet Letters, it's a component to why recidivism is so high. I don't think people should be guaranteed jobs after commiting horrendous crimes. But that's the other thing that pisses me off, being in the NFL isn't like a normal job, you're a public figure and make a shitload of money. Joe sixpack committing the same horrendous crime wouldn't be employable anywhere (and i wouldn't blame the employers one bit). Raku posted:Vick could have been feeding puppies into a blender everyday and it would still be less callous and grotesque than beating your wife  DangerKat posted:Vick only ever came up because you brought him into the discussion Because i feel like we need some consistency with how we view and deal with these types of incidence.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:50
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$200 million golden parachute here we come!
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Sep 10, 2014 22:11
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Parmesan Basil posted:Goodell is gone. Newsome is gone. Whichever idiot white man who inherited the Ravens is gone. Scrub the Ravens from the records. No winners for two Super Bowls. The Ravens are gone. Move the franchise to Columbus or Albany or somewhere, I dunno. Fine them at least fifty million and three firsts, if you think they're even worth keeping in Baltimore.  This post reminds me of that GOOMF episode where one guy pats himself on the back for being against child molestation and the other guy goes 'compared to me, you're practically for it!'. Basically TFF in a nutshell during the initial stages of an outrage.
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Sep 10, 2014 22:31
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soggybagel posted:Condi getting hired as the commissioner would own. Lot of people would be crying so much it would be hilarious. Goodell is morally superior to Condi Rice, i don't get the Rice love.
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Sep 10, 2014 22:35
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quote:ChrisWarcraft What's Kluwe referring to?
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Sep 11, 2014 03:04
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Kirios posted:How does Roger Goodell still have a job?! In a country where George Bush got re-elected, this is the least baffling question.
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Sep 11, 2014 21:32
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It'd be kinda hilarious if Goodell stayed... We might see rotten vegetables and beer bottles flying at his head during the draft.
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Sep 11, 2014 23:59
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kiimo posted:Man the radio is full of people right now backlashing against the idea of firing Goodell, hammering home how good of a job he's done. It's hard not to perceive conspiracy. Who is defending Goodell? That's kinda important.
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Sep 12, 2014 17:25
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You know, if it's true that Ray Rice told the Commish the whole truth and the Commish lied about it just to cover his rear end, I think the NFLPA has a real good case for fighting on Rice's behalf over double jeapordy (even they'd be loathe to do it).
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Sep 12, 2014 17:45
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It'd be funny if the meeting was recorded, then we'd really have a Nixon moment. I bet there's at least minutes recorded.
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Sep 12, 2014 17:54
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Here's what I think the worst possible outcome for Goodell to be: Goodell saw the recording in Private, gave Rice a chance to own up to it, Rice lied about what happened, but he gave him a 2 game suspension anyway and we can all prove this.
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So... are we using this as the Adrian Peterson thread too or is someone going to re-open the other thread?
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