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korrandark posted:The problem with that analogy is that the heel is supposed to be opposed by a face[good guy], and that the face is supposed to give the heel his comeuppance. First Take has Steven A Smith. Nope, I hope Brock Lesnar never loses and continues to beat John Cena's face in.
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Chokes McGee posted:"My client, Ray Rice, conquered his wife's undefeated streak in Atlantic City!" Paul Heyman could probably get anyone off of any crime, regardless of video evidence to the contrary.
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Sep 8, 2014 15:45
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Yeah, I've seen situations where in the heat of a situation where you react stupidly and even giving a moment more of thought you would probably not do or say. This was not that, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but seeing this fuuck that, shame on me for believing that there is no way that both the NFL and the Ravens saw the whole tape and that there must have been something that showed anything other than a dude in an argument hitting pushing off on her once and then just cold cocking his her in the face... Yeah, gently caress Ray Rice.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:40
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FeedingHam2Cats posted:You want them to hang him?? I mean throughout history people have been hung for less.. But more Disavow any mention of his existance, never mention his name never show any content with him in it and if you have to show ppv's with him wrestling preface it with a disclaimer.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:49
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Seriously though the League p much can't do poo poo, they can pressure the Ravens, this is probably going to have to be taken through the Law, which it seems as though it's already been handled with his admittance into a first time offenders program. The Ravens would just have to eat their losses and cut him. And then beg the League for financial considerations.
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Sep 8, 2014 16:51
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IcePhoenix posted:I'm pretty sure they can reopen the case in light of new evidence and extend the suspension, thus not making it double jeopardy. Nope, any lawyer worth there salt would be able to make the argument that the NFL saw that video and thus it's not new evidence. Since there are enough conflicting reports to make it so. Also the fact that they have said what they were told lines up with the events of the video. If I'm a players union I fight like hell to defend my players from having to face double penalties due to public outcry. I may hate the person, but you can't make a concession like that, and it's bullshit to expect the union to do so. The Ravens are the only entity able to do anything(Already been handled legally) and they are only able to cut him. Dexo fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Sep 8, 2014 |
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Sep 8, 2014 17:29
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Unknownmass posted:gently caress Goodell, Ravens and the NFL, but there really needs to be more discussion on why the police did nothing when this video existed, and how money just buys you out of ever having to face being prosecuted. He got offered a plea deal of probation, and a pre-trial intervention, he was a first time offender with no priors for any other offense, and his wife didn't want to go after him. In this case they probably could have went harder after him, but it's honestly not that out of the ordinary when the victim doesn't want to go all out. Especially someone who's record was a clean as Rice's was.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:35
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Lol yeah, guy who roots for a team that's a year removed from a murder/suicide that reached its zenith at the team facilities to be fair that dude is no longer on the team...
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Sep 8, 2014 17:41
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Pretty sure that guy was just making up a statement about what he could possibly say.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:46
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football fuckerman posted:Last time he said it was his job to lead his family and lead his wife Last time, a new press conference is what I thought he was talking about.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:49
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IcePhoenix posted:Yeah, I was just going off of the assumption that they never saw the video. Obviously his lawyers would contest that, and it sure seems like they'd have a lot of grounds to base that on. But if they hadn't, then I think that gives them the right to reopen the case and not worry about double jeopardy. Even then it's questionable, as even if new evidence is opened up, I'm pretty sure you can't just recharge someone once they have been charged already. If both sides already agreed to the plea deal before more evidence pops up you can't renege on said deal...
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Sep 8, 2014 17:52
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Nail Rat posted:He also said that they had both learned from it and had become better people and better parents due to the whole thing. No I thought all of the other posts were confusing what you were saying as if they were from a new press conference. I do in fact remember that stupid rear end press conference.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:53
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That was a pretty nice and compact punch, Mayweather would be proud.
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Sep 8, 2014 17:56
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Ozu posted:@JasonLaCanfora
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Sep 8, 2014 18:00
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Kirios posted:That has to mean they're cutting him, right? Right?! 8pm means, Ok lets fill out this paperwork, send it through legal, cross T's dot I's and then announce his release, having everyone available.
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Sep 8, 2014 18:03
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Well, this is unexpected. Completely expected, no loving way they could keep him after their insinuations to what happen were proven wrong.
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Sep 8, 2014 19:25
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xeria posted:In what world does the *casino* get to decide this? I'm pretty sure the police would have 100% full right to that video (even if they had to get a court order for it), and I have to imagine the NFL would go to the police to review all that evidence and not just directly to the casino itself. Shrug, a pre-trial intervention and probation aren't too far out of the norm for situations like these. Like the dude was as far as the law was concerned squeaky clean, if she didn't want to press the issue, and she said this was a one time event, I can completely understand a prosecutor just handing out a plea deal of a probation and community service or something. It's just a reaaaaal bad look when the tape gets out and it's significantly worse looking than how it was explained it to the public.
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Sep 8, 2014 20:34
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xeria posted:I get how he avoids jail time, as lame as it is that he can do so in the first place. It's more unbelievable that the NFL would actually spin that the casino, which soon after went out of business entirely, said 'no', so the super-billionaire entity just gave up without a fight. Oh, yeah that's completely laughable. The NFL's hires ex FBI dudes regularly, there is no way they didn't see that tape, and there is enough testimony that literally had the NFL saying we have seen everything the prosecutor had. Nah, The NFL is lying their asses off, and I don't believe for a second they haven't seen this. They could pay so much more than TMZ it wouldn't even be funny.
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Sep 8, 2014 20:48
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Kull the Conqueror posted:That is scary to me. Yes and no, It's hard for me to grapple with, but I'm ok with giving someone who legit made a mistake and who shows actual remorse, a ding in the system(so if it happens again they no longer have a clean record) and probation. If the victim is okay with that outcome then so am I. I'm a pretty big believer in someone being allowed to integrate back into society after one gently caress-up. So long as they make an effort to at least on the outside fix their issues. It's why I will forever defend Michael Vick, he served his time, and seemingly cleaned his act up. Obviously Rice, didn't want to own up to his "mistake" or his gently caress up and instead made her in a goddamn press conference take a large portion of the blame on herself. So yeah, gently caress him.
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Sep 8, 2014 20:58
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He will never play again, like Vick at least served his time, and came back remorseful as hell and even then it took McNabb and Reid(Two dudes really well respected around the league) vouching for him and giving him a shot as a 3rd backup on a team. And he's a QB. A Running Back, hyper replaceable position, getting older in age, being out for years != A QB still in his early 30s who was a top flight athletic and QB talent.
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Sep 8, 2014 21:04
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leica posted:Someone will sign him so he can mentor younger running backs. Or at the very least do like Jay Z's and Bey's security guard and hit the emergency stop button.
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Sep 8, 2014 21:06
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fat greasy puto posted:Please post all of this int he Douche Tracker MEgathread so we can have some new nominees for the 2015 Douche Of the Year Tournament: Subtitle TBD 2015 DotYT: Do you have stairs in your house? If not you aren't protected
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Sep 8, 2014 21:39
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Grittybeard posted:As far as I can tell the only thing that really changed was they took away the argument that she was attacking him and he was just defending himself, which is something his lawyer implied the hell out of to the point where he was pretty much outright saying it was what happened. This, I stupidly fell into the belief that there is no way that they do that whole dog and pony show without her having done something to provoke him(even if she did it doesn't excuse it, but at least I could see a path where in the moment someone would swing back not thinking), like it just blows my mind that you could be so goddamn dumb that without some proof of her doing loving anything that someone would have her do that. Knowing that all it takes is someone leaking those tapes to make you look goddamn foolish.
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Sep 8, 2014 21:51
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windshipper posted:Tmz is sleazy incarnate. I am glad they exist for this type of poo poo. Very easily. Allusions to the fact that he was being attacked or hit and he reacted stupidly in a terrible moment were made by his lawyer, He no longer has that wiggle room.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:31
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Yeah, but I don't believe for second that he lied to the NFL or the Ravens. They're just covering their asses for PR. This, There is no way the NFL's people who are filled with Ex-FBI dudes and their resources couldn't get this video.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:38
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Teams literally have PI's who can find out every single person a player has slept with, every drug they have ever done, all of their friends, family and acquaintances, and everything else about a draft prospect. There is no way you can believe that the Ravens haven't seen this video.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:41
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surrender posted:I have found the hottest of hot takes on this situation I mean technically it's not wrong, and he's right in assuming that the NFL gives no fucks about Janay. I haven't read the article, but unless it's making the argument that he should still play this year because of it then it's no where near the hottest of takes. This is about to be cynical as gently caress, but luckily they are married now and he already has this on his record so she has a ton more protections if god forbid more poo poo happens and she wants to go ahead and press charges.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:54
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He did never get that second chance...Because he blew his goodwill towards getting a second chance when he had a goddamn press conference inferring that she had a major part to play in this as well. and then later proof of her not really doing anything whatsoever in this situation pops up and makes him, and the Ravens organization look like pathetic assholes forcing a victim to lie to save her husbands career.
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Sep 8, 2014 22:58
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In a vacuum sure Rice is probably getting hosed over, double jeopardy and all of that jazz. However guess what he deserves it for having his fiancee at the time apologize when she did absolutely nothing and then have his lawyer go out and insinuate poo poo that didn't happen. He's being treated by the Ravens and the league like he treated his wife, he's being forced to lay down and take the L to protect the 'sanctity' of the Shield. Like he made his wife take the blame for his attack on her.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:03
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Quest For Glory II posted:What world do you live in where any company has ever done this for their employee *This World? *If their employee is skilled/makes them a bunch of money/is hard to replace
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Sep 8, 2014 23:06
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Quest For Glory II posted:Well yeah it happens in football of course, but I meant outside of that bubble Hella CEO's and other important people have been 'supported' by their companies if they are very hard to replace. Essentially it happens when someone is really good at their job and the company doesn't want to lose them, but has to seem like they care about the terrible thing that person has done.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:09
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haljordan posted:Will the NFLPA at least have to try and argue that this latest punishment is illegal, since Rice was originally given a 2 game rip? It's loving lovely, but they have to, and just leave slight language in their statement saying "if any team wishes to employ Ray Rice after he is finished serving his suspension then they should be free to do so" In the most legal snarkiest way putting the onus on the Owners to completely blackball him from the league.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:37
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It's also refreshing to see others start to hate Ditka as much as I, Saints and other non-retarded Bears fans do.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:38
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haljordan posted:They'll probably send the C-squad team of lawyers fresh out of school to argue that one. CharlestheHammer posted:Preaseason litigation. gently caress that, send the A team assholes. "Regardless of the quality or lack there of the initial information gathering, the league has already offered punishment against Ray Rice, and thus according to *insert article here preventing double jeopardy* he should not be punished again for the same incident, If some team is willing to offer employment to Ray Rice after this heinous and terrible incident after his initial suspension is completed they should be free employ him" Just completely rip the NFL's processes in your statement disagreeing with this.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:45
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Harlock posted:Will Thomas @willthomasfox5 · 23m Goddamn, 90% of the time TMZ is complete loving trash, but at least that 90% pays the bills for poo poo like this.
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Sep 8, 2014 23:51
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Whirlwind Jones posted:If you listen to the actual interview with the TMZ guy he basically just says that "The NFL knew the video existed but didn't really care to watch it and turned a blind eye" which honestly isn't as egregious as having actually seen the video and then today releasing the statement that the had not. If they knew it existed could get it and didn't watch it that's Gross Negligence of the highest degree.
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Sep 9, 2014 00:04
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haljordan posted:Seriously people are acting like the video showing the punch is the first and only piece of evidence. I cannot comprehend what the gently caress they think happened when the first video showed that shitbag dragging his unconscious wife down a hallway. There is a fundamental difference between simply seeing the end result without seeing the events that led up to said results. It's very possible for poo poo to be a real bad look, when nothing wrong has happened. I don't think anyone thought that Ray Rice didn't get into a physical altercation with his wife. However it was his assertion through having his then fiance apologize, an allusion to the fact that she was attacking him, and the fact that the league said it saw all of the evidence That led me to believe that it would be goddamn stupid as hell for them to do all of this unless there was some factual basis in that she provoked him physically in some way shape or form. It doesn't excuse it, but it at least allows for a moment of weakness, and stupidity defense. The Video showed that all of those allusions were bullshit, and removed the veil of just how much poo poo the league/Ravens/Rice were covering up, and then forcing the victim to apologize for her part in something that she did absolutely nothing to him in.
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Sep 9, 2014 00:46
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Also come on people be fair, he only dragged her like 3 maybe 4 feet, enough to get her like 3/4ths way out of the Elevator. 
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Sep 9, 2014 00:50
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Brogeoisie posted:I want Congress involved and to go after the NFL commissioner personally. Good luck with that, you'll get some statements about how appalled they are with the way the NFL handled it maybe a letter or two and that's it. Congress doing anything especially in an election year is laughable.
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haljordan posted:Also if anyone thinks this is the first time Ray Rice has hit a woman you're deluding yourself. After that video sure, since he ended up hitting her twice and didn't really react until he had to carry her out. Before that It's completely understandable to not immediately assume the worst in any situation. Especially someone who has literally never had any offense prior to this in college or the pros.
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