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I mean whats the problem here? You wouldn'r have built an empire of you had the opporitunity? loving Japan joined late in the game, and commited atrocities that we (the europeans) condemned. If they could, everyrone can. Sad bickering from malay and philipinos and whetever who complain that europeans screwed them over. We were simply better in this game. Yes of course we were. Because we won. If you had won, we would be complaining now. So shut the gently caress up, man up and do your thing.
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Hey, I'm a historian and "Empires" are not actually a thing, nationalism is essentially a big lie and you're actually a sad lonely motherfucker with no real connection to your 'ancestors' or whatever the gently caress who certainly had very different values and goals from you.
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Harime Nui posted:Hey, I'm a historian and "Empires" are not actually a thing, nationalism is essentially a big lie and you're actually a sad lonely motherfucker with no real connection to your 'ancestors' or whatever the gently caress who certainly had very different values and goals from you. empires are a thing, you are a poo poo historian
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Empires are a way of making you feel like the world makes sense motherfucker, now let's dish about anime
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Harime Nui posted:Hey, I'm a historian and "Empires" are not actually a thing, nationalism is essentially a big lie and you're actually a sad lonely motherfucker with no real connection to your 'ancestors' or whatever the gently caress who certainly had very different values and goals from you. but...did u know thursday actually means thors day.
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Harime Nui posted:Empires are a way of making you feel like the world makes sense motherfucker, now let's dish about anime i dont think ur actually a historian 
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Woah if we go down this road I'll accuse you of not being the character in your username, it will get ugly, let's cool it. Empires are totally a western construction to legitimize our particular conception of authority and the centuries of piracy, raiding and economic domination we inflicted on other continents though.
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Oct 4, 2014 14:28
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What I'm saying is that we just went in, and done it. That was the game at the moment and won at it. So stop whining, and create something.
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Harime Nui posted:Woah if we go down this road I'll accuse you of not being the character in your username, it will get ugly, let's cool it. thats what everyone means by empires though.
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Oct 4, 2014 14:33
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Fuk u cracka •stabs u•
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I have eaten greedily of the flesh of the world and ye of darkened caste may pick merrily at what bones I leave in the dust.
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white people going "this but unironically" in response to some angry tumblr "kill whitey" thing is pretty awkward though white people should stick to "im gay"
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everybody here is either white or functionally white and a big part of gbs is self-loathing, op
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Lol if you give a poo poo about white identity becausr youbhave no ethnicity left Owned
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Harime Nui posted:Woah if we go down this road I'll accuse you of not being the character in your username, it will get ugly, let's cool it. i dont see how that makes empires not a real thing
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gently caress Your Website posted:Fuk u cracka Look at the second poster in this thread, look at this bitch. This person has already given in, he is sad and useless. You don't even have to stab him.
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i do not drive as tensely as you may have been led to believe and i find these comparisons very hurtful and damaging to future race relations
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people who guffaw about being white are usually incredibly loving white and are what people who don't guffaw about being white think about when other people say 'white people'
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It's nonsense. Where do you define the line between raiding---highly successful raiding, let's allow---and empire? Take the Viking Invasions for example. Here we have quick raids for plunder against an ostensibly more powerful opponent---the Saxon kingdoms or the Carolingian Empire---successfully carried out slowly escalating into a serious invasion (for various reasons... medieval scholars actually suggested scandinavians just had too many babies because they were too dumb, thus the continual 'ramping up' of viking invasions) that intended to actually carve out some territory, did so in England and only ended in Frankia due to being bought off. Obviously not an empire but most of the ingredients are there. The real difference is in racial construction, 'we' versus 'they,' where 'they' are defined by an actual racial system. It requires a taxonomy of humanity! In the sense we understand it empires are not a thing that existed more than 300 years ago. It's actually a phenomenon unique to the paramountcy of European nations and it's a lot more insidious than burying an axe in some monk's face and taking his candelabra.
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Oct 4, 2014 14:40
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if youre not proud of your white heritage than youre a race traitor
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OP sounds like he's bragging over a game of civ that he won haha.
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are we counting italians and irish and jews as white?
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:if youre not proud of your white heritage than youre a race traitor Whites are the goofy smurfs of doom who spread disease and banks across our sorry planet
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Harime Nui posted:It's nonsense. Where do you define the line between raiding---highly successful raiding, let's allow---and empire? Take the Viking Invasions for example. Here we have quick raids for plunder against an ostensibly more powerful opponent---the Saxon kingdoms or the Carolingian Empire---successfully carried out slowly escalating into a serious invasion (for various reasons... medieval scholars actually suggested scandinavians just had too many babies because they were too dumb, thus the continual 'ramping up' of viking invasions) that intended to actually carve out some territory, did so in England and only ended in Frankia due to being bought off. Obviously not an empire but most of the ingredients are there. The real difference is in racial construction, 'we' versus 'they,' where 'they' are defined by an actual racial system. It requires a taxonomy of humanity! please stop
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Noblesse Obliged posted:are we counting italians and irish and jews as white? yes on technicality but no when it comes to the blogs of socially conscious white americans
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Harime Nui posted:It's nonsense. Where do you define the line between raiding---highly successful raiding, let's allow---and empire? Take the Viking Invasions for example. Here we have quick raids for plunder against an ostensibly more powerful opponent---the Saxon kingdoms or the Carolingian Empire---successfully carried out slowly escalating into a serious invasion (for various reasons... medieval scholars actually suggested scandinavians just had too many babies because they were too dumb, thus the continual 'ramping up' of viking invasions) that intended to actually carve out some territory, did so in England and only ended in Frankia due to being bought off. Obviously not an empire but most of the ingredients are there. The real difference is in racial construction, 'we' versus 'they,' where 'they' are defined by an actual racial system. It requires a taxonomy of humanity! so at some point empires existed
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Harime Nui posted:It's nonsense. Where do you define the line between raiding---highly successful raiding, let's allow---and empire? Take the Viking Invasions for example. Here we have quick raids for plunder against an ostensibly more powerful opponent---the Saxon kingdoms or the Carolingian Empire---successfully carried out slowly escalating into a serious invasion (for various reasons... medieval scholars actually suggested scandinavians just had too many babies because they were too dumb, thus the continual 'ramping up' of viking invasions) that intended to actually carve out some territory, did so in England and only ended in Frankia due to being bought off. Obviously not an empire but most of the ingredients are there. The real difference is in racial construction, 'we' versus 'they,' where 'they' are defined by an actual racial system. It requires a taxonomy of humanity! etrue, there was little difference between viking raids by petty norse warlords and massive centralized states ruling over millions of people such as the roman "empire"
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Harime Nui posted:It's nonsense. Where do you define the line between raiding---highly successful raiding, let's allow---and empire? Take the Viking Invasions for example. Here we have quick raids for plunder against an ostensibly more powerful opponent---the Saxon kingdoms or the Carolingian Empire---successfully carried out slowly escalating into a serious invasion (for various reasons... medieval scholars actually suggested scandinavians just had too many babies because they were too dumb, thus the continual 'ramping up' of viking invasions) that intended to actually carve out some territory, did so in England and only ended in Frankia due to being bought off. Obviously not an empire but most of the ingredients are there. The real difference is in racial construction, 'we' versus 'they,' where 'they' are defined by an actual racial system. It requires a taxonomy of humanity! You say it's nonsence, and than nothing relating to actual empires? I asgree that empires were a roman invention but the rest of your post is garbage.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:etrue, there was little difference between viking raids by petty norse warlords and massive centralized states ruling over millions of people such as the roman "empire" Petty norse warlords is really unfair, in the ninth century you've got Swein Forkbeard and in the eleventh you've got Knut the Great, those guys martialled armies as big as anything else seen at the time. The norse "raids" were not just irregular piratic attacks, that's simply how it started. Nor in fact was it just warfare, since trade was as much if not more a part of norse interaction with Britain and Europe as warfare.
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enormous long term imposition of a foreign administrative structure seems to be one obvious thing that makes an empire different from a raid. imposition of a lingua franca of some sort maybe. shared currency if that shits around. disallowing by law local military forces that arent auxiliaries of the dominant power. raids can be a prelude to empire, and actual empires are a bit like long term well organised plunderings, and what an empires theory of empire is (civilising the barbarians, or whatever) might be inconsistent with what their actual historical reality is (exploitation), but that doesnt mean empires dont exist
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Sekenr posted:You say it's nonsence, and than nothing relating to actual empires? I asgree that empires were a roman invention but the rest of your post is garbage. Listen Sekenr, by your name I assume you are a Belgian: old white men have robbed you of your true ancestry, shake off those cultural blinders!!
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that was a joke post, but I really do hate white people.
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Orkin Mang posted:enormous long term imposition of a foreign administrative structure seems to be one obvious thing that makes an empire different from a raid. imposition of a lingua franca of some sort. shared currency if that shits around. disallowing by law local military forces that arent auxiliaries of the dominant power. That is exactly correct, thank you for the explanation
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hate me some proud crackers. crackers need to learn their place
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Harime Nui posted:Listen Sekenr, by your name I assume you are a Belgian: old white men have robbed you of your true ancestry, shake off those cultural blinders!! I am worse than belgian. (pls explain to me why sekenr is belgan(. And of course - women, this forum is about women - I am physicall attaractibe and they want but I drink too much and scare them off eveentually - just to get it out the way
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Harime Nui posted:Petty norse warlords is really unfair, in the ninth century you've got Swein Forkbeard and in the eleventh you've got Knut the Great, those guys martialled armies as big as anything else seen at the time. The norse "raids" were not just irregular piratic attacks, that's simply how it started. Nor in fact was it just warfare, since trade was as much if not more a part of norse interaction with Britain and Europe as warfare. yeah, but you seem to be saying there is little difference between empire and raiding. organized tribute/taxes to a centralized power is very different from smash and grab raids, and an empire is basically a big ol collection of those. also cnuts the greats mishmash could probably be considered an empire if it had survived more than a generation.
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