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I thought the whole ChaosArgate gives too much advice thing was silly earlier, but seriously telling Faerie Fortune how to completely avoid almost all the damage the boss does within like 5 seconds of entering the boss battle? It would have been much harder without knowing that the shield made you immune to the bosses rolling. But yay on beating the boss on the first try anyway, although it'd be cool to know why you immediately thought of throwing the bomb into the bosses mouth.
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I'm kind of glad he did, because I never knew you could do that.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:12
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I'm going to guess it was "It's a Zelda boss, gotta use the dungeon item somehow, lets just throw a bomb at it and see what happens" Also you've seen how often she uses the shield, it really would have taken 20 tries without that hint. 
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Nov 15, 2014 00:15
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Honestly, when the LP started, I was a little irked about ChaosArgate being a little trigger happy with explaining the game, but not so much anymore. This LP is entertaining not because we're seeing someone figure out the game, but more that we're seeing their reaction to all the little things this game has to offer. So long as we're not encountering a boss and given a dissertation on it's attacks and weaknesses before the battle even starts, I'd say let it slide.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:18
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I just thought you should know that "Hi, friend!" is now my text tone. I'm a little weird, sorry.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:23
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Zeron posted:But yay on beating the boss on the first try anyway, although it'd be cool to know why you immediately thought of throwing the bomb into the bosses mouth.
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Nov 15, 2014 00:56
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Have you tinkered with your analog stick settings yet? That should solve your aiming difficulties (slingshot, aligning yourself for jumps, snaking around when you have to walk, etc). The actual N64 stick wasn't very sensitive and was fairly springy.
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Faerie Fortune posted:Not even close, I'm from the lake district! My accent is hard to place though because despite being born and raised here and living here my entire life, my accent is completely different to the local one! It comes out a little more if I'm talking to my sister or parents, my accent gets more "northern", I talk a little faster and I use way more of my natural Cumbrian dialect. When I'm talking to not-local people though, I tend to talk more slowly and with a more generic English dialect because holy poo poo cumbrian dialects can be incomprehensible sometimes. It still shines through for those of us in the know. even though I'm from just a little south of you(though my brothers GF is from just south of Carlisle) its still immensely comforting to hear an almost local voice in LP. Though I'll have to say your 'generic accent' is a bit more Outer Mancunian than true generic. Rumda fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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Nov 15, 2014 01:12
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Zeron posted:But yay on beating the boss on the first try anyway, although it'd be cool to know why you immediately thought of throwing the bomb into the bosses mouth. Because that's how dodongos work in literally every zelda game.
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Nov 15, 2014 01:12
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Paul Zuvella posted:Because that's how dodongos work in literally every zelda game. Remember, she's only played Link to the Past, last I checked. Dodongos weren't in that game. From what I recall, Fae remembered that dungeon items tend to be key to beating bosses, so she took what she assumed was the opportunity to strike.
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Nov 15, 2014 01:19
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ChaosArgate posted:Remember, she's only played Link to the Past, last I checked. Dodongos weren't in that game. From what I recall, Fae remembered that dungeon items tend to be key to beating bosses, so she took what she assumed was the opportunity to strike. First of all, DODONGO DISLIKE SMOKE, second of all LTTP had the Helmasaur King which was basically the King Dodongo with a fancy hat and you had to jam bombs up his face, too.
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YggiDee posted:First of all, DODONGO DISLIKE SMOKE, second of all LTTP had the Helmasaur King which was basically the King Dodongo with a fancy hat and you had to jam bombs up his face, too. Holy poo poo you can bomb him??? I always used the hammer!
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I dunno man, the room above gives you a full bag of bombs, there's bomb flowers everywhere, and the giant invincible lizard opens his mouth wider than a barn door. Figuring out "throw bombs in mouth" isn't particularly hard to figure out on your own, and King Dodongo is not a particularly hard boss.
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Random thought here, but you know how the giant skull just inside the dungeon is supposed to be a giant dead dodongo? How about the ribcage above it? Also I thought I said it earlier but apparently not: The gorons weren't concerned about dodongos being in the dodongo's cavern. Which they don't actually call the dodongo's cavern, but a "mine". They're concerned with how many just suddenly showed up when THIEF FROM THE DESERT came by. They probably had to deal with a few from time to time, just not that many. Nihilarian posted:Dodongo dislikes smoke. YggiDee posted:First of all, DODONGO DISLIKE SMOKE, second of all LTTP had the Helmasaur King which was basically the King Dodongo with a fancy hat and you had to jam bombs up his face, too. I already pointed out earlier in the thread why putting bombs in a dodongo's mouth is not what the old man means by "dodongo dislikes smoke". It's literal, guys. It's not a funny mistranslation or engrish or even a bad hint.
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You guys are getting really worked up about a game where a fairy boy goes off on an adventure away from his secluded home and saves the world.
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ChaosArgate posted:Holy poo poo you can bomb him??? I always used the hammer! The hammer's much faster if I remember right. With bombs you have to wait for them to explode, and he keeps moving around in random directions so unless you're really lucky a lot of your bombs will explode on nothing. With the hammer you can just run up and spam the button.
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Bombs have range, though. With the hammer, you have to get so close that either you'll run into it, or it'll run into you.
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Cheez posted:I already pointed out earlier in the thread why putting bombs in a dodongo's mouth is not what the old man means by "dodongo dislikes smoke". It's literal, guys. It's not a funny mistranslation or engrish or even a bad hint.
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Nihilarian posted:You take advantage of dodongos dislike of smoke by shoving bombs in his face.
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I was volunteering at the food bank* today and I'd greet everyone I could with a cheery "Hi, friend!" It loses something when delivered by a slightly nasal man, but it definitely perked up a number of those who heard it. *If you're not aware of what that is, they distribute government food to poor people.
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davidspackage posted:I can't really draw for poo poo, but here's what I was thinking when Fae got Din's Fire. That is fantastic! Hooray, Fae, on beating the boss in one go! And here I changed my guess of 3 attempts to 9. As for Chaos giving the hint about the shield, I'm OK with it. It was still challenging for Fae even with the knowledge. Watching the video just made me realize that the room with the blade traps is the first encounter with them in this game. That is some poor game design - throwing a new obstacle at people in a way that they can't really see it.
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My intent with the hint with the shield was to remind her that her shield can block any damage it comes into contact with and also remind her that she has a shield she can use.
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ChaosArgate posted:My intent with the hint with the shield was to remind her that her shield can block any damage it comes into contact with and also remind her that she has a shield she can use. She hardly ever uses that shield I've noticed. I can't remember, in the exploration video...did she use it for the volcano?
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Silegna posted:She hardly ever uses that shield I've noticed. I can't remember, in the exploration video...did she use it for the volcano? Once. Very briefly.
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Yeah, I tried to remind her about the shield but she tanked through the mountain pass like a champ. Kid-me never would've been brave enough to just book it through there like that, I always waited under the shield until all the rocks stopped.
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Yay! I totally called it. Yay for believing in you.
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She's getting better about using her shield, slowly but surely  Keep on keepin' on, Fae!
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Her amount of shield usage is the proper and manly amount, you cowards.  Although hopefully she picks up on the combat enough to kill stuff dead fast enough to get away with that, it'd certainly be more interesting than watching her hide behind a shield waiting for every enemy.
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Bit late on this one...oh well. Re: Episode 8  Fae, how could you? First you murder the Dodongo, then talk smack about his new hobby.
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Cheez posted:Also I thought I said it earlier but apparently not: The gorons weren't concerned about dodongos being in the dodongo's cavern. Which they don't actually call the dodongo's cavern, but a "mine". And they call it a mine. A mine! </gimli>
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ChaosArgate posted:Holy poo poo you can bomb him??? I always used the hammer! Yeah, pretty sure the hammer was the right way to do that one. That said, I mostly remember that dungeon for having that bullshit room that ate one of your keys, preventing you from finishing it until the ice dungeon, where you got an extra key or something.
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Velocity Raptor posted:Honestly, when the LP started, I was a little irked about ChaosArgate being a little trigger happy with explaining the game, but not so much anymore. This LP is entertaining not because we're seeing someone figure out the game, but more that we're seeing their reaction to all the little things this game has to offer. Honestly, I'm tired of people bringing it up so I'm going to be serious for a second here. ChaosArgate will likely not be changing the amount of hints/help he gives me. During the first video, yes I was guided a lot but it was the first time he'd been a copilot for me and neither of us knew how much help I'd need. It took a couple of episodes but he's really gotten a feel for what I'll likely need pointed out for me and for me the amount of hints he's been giving me is absolutely perfect. It might be too much for the thread but the thread isn't the one playing the game! I didn't want to bring this up in the thread because I thought it was irrelevant but I legitimately have ADHD. I'm not good at noticing little details, I tend to focus on one thing and one alone and I kinda miss everything else around it because I'm too busy concentrating on that one thing. Again, ChaosArgate is a champ and picked up on those quirks incredibly quickly and, knowing that I absolutely cannot help it even if I try, he's learned when to tell when I'm hyperfocusing on a thing and need little details pointed out to me. Some things might seem obvious to you guys who have all played the game to death but me, not so much, and it gets even harder when you have the attention span of a five year old. 99% of the time, if ChaosArgate points out a thing to me that seems like it should be obvious, its because he's picked up on the fact that I'm focusing on something else and might miss it. That's literally it. That's the whole reason it seems like he's giving me too much help. Can we please stop bringing it up now? I really didn't want to have to talk about my mental disabilities in the thread  Zeron posted:But yay on beating the boss on the first try anyway, although it'd be cool to know why you immediately thought of throwing the bomb into the bosses mouth. That would be my Zelda Instinct at work! He's a big guy who opens his mouth when you first meet him, there's bombs everywhere, you just got a bomb bag of your own...it doesn't take much to add 2+2 and get bomb! ChaosArgate posted:My intent with the hint with the shield was to remind her that her shield can block any damage it comes into contact with and also remind her that she has a shield she can use. I'm sorry I'm so bad at using the shield, thread  I get really focused on combat and kinda forget its there, and the Hylian shield is...well, I don't actually like it much. Its big and unwieldy and Link can't use it properly, and in my mind that translates as "this will not work". I know that it will but its hard to fight that first instinct of "this shield is too big for you therefore you cannot use it" I'll keep trying though!Neurion posted:She's getting better about using her shield, slowly but surely Thank you, friend! 
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IPvSH6T posted:That said, I mostly remember that dungeon for having that bullshit room that ate one of your keys, preventing you from finishing it until the ice dungeon, where you got an extra key or something.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Oh look, more spoilers for the BLIND lp thread. Pretty sure they're not talking about OoT dude
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Yep, pretty sure they're talking about LTtP, which I have played! Everything is cool!
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It's not absolutely necessary, but now that you've left lavaland, maybe you want to invest in getting a replacement Deku Shield, if you feel more comfortable with using that one? This message was sponsored by the Kokiri Forest Shop. Kokiri Forest Shop. For all your Forest needs! Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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I have to admit, I kind of feel bad for King Dodongo and his kin. I mean, I know that Ganondorf summoned or otherwise lured the hordes of dodongos (or is dodongo also plural?) to the dungeon, but they don't come across as the unnatural evil spawn of a curse that Gohma does. (The Gorons just think it's weird there's so many of them, not that they exist at all.) King Dodongo just feels like this big, animalistic, proto-dragon, lizardy-thing. Like a moose lost in a residential district, he doesn't know any better. He just trucks along doing his thing, reacting how any lizard would do when a strange creature drops into his new lair, breathe fire on it of course. You've got to deal with King Dodongo, but it's not like a victory over some force of evil, just a beast in the wrong place. Incidentally, I kind of feel like the way Dodongo work in this Zelda game is intended to explain the reason they're so vulnerable to bombs. In the original Zelda game, Dodongo hates smoke, end of story. That said, it's not like you usually need a reason to think a bomb in a creature's face will kill it. In Ocarina, they come across as sort of fire breathing dinosaurs, kind of like primitive dragons. Their bellies are full of fire, and however that works is so volatile that they explode when killed. Naturally, stuffing a bomb in the mouth of that would have a devastatingly eruptive effect. I keep thinking of the Swamp Dragons from Terry Pratchett's Discworld, which are small fire-breathing reptiles that tend to die of internal explosions because their biological systems are like alchemist's lab with modular organ tubes that re-arrange themselves as needed to mix chemicals, and ignite them, and hopefully send the fire in the right direction. Again, maybe I'm over-thinking things. You don't need much reason to expect a monster will die when it swallows primed bombs. Drakli fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Nov 15, 2014 |
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IPvSH6T posted:That said, I mostly remember that dungeon for having that bullshit room that ate one of your keys, preventing you from finishing it until the ice dungeon, where you got an extra key or something. Drakli posted:Again, maybe I'm over-thinking things. You don't need much reason to expect a monster will die when it swallows primed bombs. But then you have to wonder why regular dodongos' weak point is their tails. So yeah, over-thinking.
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