brizna posted:

The legality of abortion doesn't actualy affect the rate of abortion, op.

Skinny King Pimp posted:

condoms break and boys lie. not even getting your tubes tied is 100% effective since they don't always scar completely shut. plus pregnancy is way more dangerous (and expensive) than a surgical abortion, especially for young teenage girls.

also, it already is a tax on the poor, since there are usually very few abortion clinics in a given state, necessitating the money for travel and maybe a local hotel room. on top of that, several states require 24-72 hr waits after the initial consultation, which means taking more days off of work, which probably isn't possible. so yeah you already have your vice tax on the poor, much like with any other god drat thing in this country.

women die when abortions aren't legal. they die in horrible ways. doesn't really matter how you feel about abortion because them's the facts. women have been terminating pregnancies for literal thousands of years, dunno why you think not having access to safe, low risk abortions is gonna change that.

Skinny King Pimp posted:

how do you figure?

and man if you can find a way to keep teenagers from having sex i will give you ten million dollars

Jonny 290 posted:

yet against abortion? that's loving temporalist garbage and you need to get your linear time fascism out of here, timehitler

Arri posted:

Actually, abortion is birth control. It is literally controlling whether a birth happens or not.

GAYS FOR DAYS posted:

When did GBS get so serious? Did I miss something?

Skinny King Pimp posted:

nope, miscarriage unless the fetus is already dead inside the uterus and is just being removed.

also a lot of women who have incomplete miscarriages through no fault of their own have died because no doctor in the hospital they went to was able or willing to perform a dilation and curettage because of the stigma attached to abortion. so that's cool i mean, supporting women dying even if they didn't elect to have an abortion is pretty great.

Skinny King Pimp posted:

then why not babies too??

Skinny King Pimp posted:

what if the baby doesn't have a brain or like legs and arms (really hard to kill people if you don't have legs or arms)?

question: can a woman get an abortion if she wanted to get pregnant but finds out in the first trimester that she has cancer (or another serious illness) and can either have the baby and probably die because of the delay in treatment or have an abortion, get treatment, and try again later?

Shnag posted:

I know your are "doing a thing", this idea is more laughable then disturbing. Its not even about a matter of opinion of how corrupt and hosed up it would end up being. Hell, even when it enviably meaning that only the wealthy can have kids, unintended pregnancies will still happen, and they will just get private doctors to perform them in secret, just as they do now.

It is truly scary that there are people out there who believe that you should be fully finacially and mentally prepared to give birth to a child and raise him or her to adulthood, each and every single time you have sex.

Jonny 290 posted:

im gay

Benjamin Arthur posted:

lmao you think this is reason to force women to be literal human incubators against their will, with less legal consideration than fetuses, you're a hosed up misogynist hth

poorlifedecision posted:

It's too bad you're such an angry sourpuss. You should get laid but you'd probably just shout at the woman for being a whore the whole time.

Benjamin Arthur posted:

having sex is not consent to carrying a child to term, not sure where you got that retarded idea

Benjamin Arthur posted:

the most virgin of opinions

Benjamin Arthur posted:

good thing there's ways to have sex without significant risk of that

Bored posted:

Name them Bob?


How do you feel about the morning after pill? I mean, they aren't taking birth control, so obviously they are being irresponsible.

ZergRushing posted:

Aborting mentally handicapped children is a good thing and yields a net benefit both for the parents and society as a whole.

quakster posted:

would you count the outcome of taking such a pill as a consequence of an action

Bored posted:

Skinny King Pimp posted:

no it isn't, that's mifepristone or RU486.

how do you feel about the fact that the vast majority of conception events do not produce viable offspring and result in spontaneous abortions (this is what a miscarriage is called) or the fertilized egg doesn't even get implanted? what about when a woman is carrying a dead fetus, should she have to carry that dead fetus until natural childbirth or can she have a late term abortion? what about if the fetus isn't dead but is severely malformed? do you believe that a woman who wanted a child should be forced to give birth to a baby that might only live for a few hours?

or should women just be forced to do poo poo despite mental and emotional consequences on top of the physical implications?

quakster posted:

question: how do you feel about other forms of medicine? break a leg, deal with the consequences? get sick, deal with the consequences? have an organ fail, deal with the consequences? get born into a toilet bowl and catch mega aids, deal with the consequences?

killing fetuses is loving awesome

Moridin920 posted:

people who think fetuses are the same as kids who are already born and living are loving retarded imo

At best you could make the argument that there's brain wave activity during the third trimester and as such the fetus is already 'living' at that point but abortions during third trimester are already not allowed unless it's some super extenuating circumstance.

quakster posted:

so getting impregnated is the only choice a woman ever has, got it

Shnag posted:

Tolietlord has been trolling since the beginning, I mean come on, "I choose to be a virgin for life" poo poo, he has just been loving around since the start. But the point is he has been using actual talking points that people actually use when determining to take rights away from people.

He hasn't addressed the issue that abortion laws exclusively meant to target and punish underprivileged women and have no real effect on privileged women's access to abortion services. He hasn't brought it up because it is never brought up by right-wing politicians that literally use air quotes when talking about the health of a pregnant woman. Their target audience never think about it because they are a bunch of knuckle dragging idiots who never call out politicians on being blatantly hypocritical.

SpeedGem posted:

sarah palin was adamant about abstinence,

quakster posted:

wanting to save your tax moneys from lax honeys by being anti-abortion is a total fallacy; even scraping the mangled remains of an abandoned crack baby off the street is significantly more costly than an abortion. anyone who claims to save money by being anti-abortion is fiscally irresponsible and will most likely have a loved one perish in a botched diy-abortion due to a lack of forethought

brizna posted:

Perhaps you are right but this is completely untestable since no such society has ever existed. Every developed country with a strong safety net also allows abortion so

President Kucinich posted:

Removing state funding for women's health clinics through "privatization" is a good way of taking abortion away from only poor people, but I think you can come up with some other ways we could remove abortion access for low income people while protecting more wealthy women.

President Kucinich posted:

It's cool, I agree with you that we should protect wealthy people's access to abortion while shutting it down for poor people.

quakster posted:

how much money are you willing to spend on abstinence-only education

quakster posted:

that's another pro-abortion argument

President Kucinich posted:

I got a better idea, if a woman gets an abortion the male should be treated as an accomplice guilty of child neglect/abuse at the very least and they can both go to jail for a very long time.

quakster posted:

first there were animals. the animals hosed 24/7 except when they took breaks to eat each other so they'd be strong enough to keep loving. then one of the animals thought "what if i took a break from the loving, and ate more than my share?" and that is how the right was born

President Kucinich posted:

I like this. But we should recognize that poor people in general make lousy parents so receiving welfare should be conditional on forfeiting your kids to CPS workhouses.