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 Alright, guys, I get it. Really, I do. The original Thief series wrapped up its plotline and you're a different developer, so why wouldn't you reboot the setting? It's a fresh team and a fresh start. Nothing wrong with that. Of course, with all the references and callbacks it seems like you want to eat your cake and have it, too. Plus you probably should have understood what made the original setting and characters interesting and not made New!Garrett into an unlikable twat in black eyeliner. I'd call him a taffer, but you did away with that, too, didn't you? And I suppose it's a neat idea for the new bad guys to be from the aristocracy and the City Watch. There's a certain kind of sense to that; the nobility was always a sort of fourth faction in the original trilogy, so it's good to give them their time in the sun. But if you were going to do that, you probably shouldn't have ripped off Dishonored and Bioshock: Infinite's plotlines (poorly) and made the Thief-Taker General a moustache-twirling villain. There couldn't be any moral ambiguity, huh? And hey, new powers and equipment! I don't mind the idea of using Focus to highlight important items and use other special abilities, plus it's not like you're ever forced to use it. Of course, it would've been nice if Focus-based lockpicking was actually easier than normal (at least on the PC), plus you kind of nerfed gas arrows and eliminated every means of ranged nonlethal takedown. That's kind of a problem since melee takedowns are apparently noisy as hell now and take several seconds no matter what else is happening. I see you also added in a whole bunch of interface indicators that weren't in the original trilogy but are in basically every modern stealth and semi-stealth games, but I'm not going to hold that against you. After some fan outcry, you made pretty much the whole interface optional, so those who want to feel immersed can get immersed. I won't bother with doing so myself, but it's nice to have the option. On the other hand, the audio indicators can be pretty obnoxious at times, and in fact the audio in general can be pretty wonky. That's not such a good thing for a game like this. The missions themselves are pretty linear, but I can understand why: you need transitions and points-of-no-return to mask loading screens. That's just how game design works these days. You still added plenty of nooks and crannies that hide bits of loot, and while the exploration is more constrained, there's something to be said for the puzzle factor of discovering the right path to obtain a shiny. On the other hand, since exploration is really a big focal point of the Thief series, I have to wonder why you didn't include any sort of requirement to do so or any reward beyond the money itself. But hey, there's also open world gameplay! Thief 3 had that way back in the day, and although the maps aren't as big as Thief 1 and Thief 2, they at least put 3's maps to proper shame. Then again, there's no real reason to explore the city streets more than once since nothing but guard money respawns and all the tools are unlocked after Chapter 2. Plus there's also no reason to explore except just before the very end because the loot and collectables for Basso's side jobs don't spawn until after you actively take the jobs. It's not very rewarding to discover a hidden door only to find out the secret room behind it is empty because Basso hasn't told you what's in there yet. And sure enough, there are collectables! It's true that Old!Garrett would have laughed at New!Garrett for considering anything "too precious to sell," but I can certainly see the player appeal in filling the old secret lair (secret lair? really?) with shiny collectables. But then...did one of the collectables have to include that? I mean, really? You couldn't have just, I don't know, left those two out and saved yourself a lot of awkward looks? So to sum up, I get it. You wanted to do your own thing, and you wanted to do it by ripping off around a dozen or so popular franchises (including, ultimately, Thief itself). But just because you tried doesn't mean you succeeded, and just because I understand doesn't mean I have to like your game. Hypothetically Asked Questions Q: Do you think you could make a version of the video where it's just you and nobody's talking over the cutscenes? A: No. Q: So are you going to try for 100% loot and zero (human) casualties like before? A: I really can't be bothered. I will get 100% collectables, though, because that's easy enough to do and the thought of Garrett building up a treasure trove amuses me. Q: What's up with that [DF] in the thread title? A: It stands for Double Feature!  The Dark Mod is a total conversion mod for Doom 3 (go figure) that as of last year is completely stand-alone: you do not need Doom 3 itself to play, and everything you do need you can download straight from the website I've linked. If you want to know what this is about, let me put it simply: The Dark Mod is more of a sequel to the first two Thief games than Thief 3 was. However, I should warn you that this includes both the bad and the good. The maps are potentially huge, but the initial loading times represent that fact all too well (thankfully quick saving/loading within a map is nice and quick). Being developed exclusively for the PC, TDM relies more on using the entire keyboard than on menus and context-sensitive buttons, and both approaches have their benefits and drawbacks. Also, it's still not the most stable of games. Still, TDM adds a physics engine to areas that look and sound remarkably like they were made in the Dark Engine, plus the guard AI has been improved significantly over the old games. Another issue is that since TDM is fan-made, the maps can vary significantly in quality from one creator to another. My current collection (shown below) comes from a recommended list I found in the Thief thread in Games, although I haven't yet played most of them. My current idea is to play through the Thomas Porter series alongside the main chapters in Thi4f and then play through the more one-off stuff during exploration and side job videos. For this first video the choice was obvious: we'll be exploring The Tears of Saint Lucia, the map that's included with the basic download since it's a good, solid mission that's easy enough for beginners and contains a few secrets for advanced players.  I believe I've got enough missions to take me through the entirety of Thi4f, and since there is no conceivable end to these things, I'm going to say right now that I will make exactly the same number of videos for both games and this is not up for negotiation. That said, since I'm not too familiar with what all is available, I am definitely up for suggestions on which missions to prioritize. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Alright, guys, I get it. Really, I do. The original Thief series wrapped up its plotline and you're a different developer, so why wouldn't you reboot the setting? It's a fresh team and a fresh start. Nothing wrong with that. Of course, with all the references and callbacks it seems like you want to eat your cake and have it, too. Plus you probably should have understood what made the original setting and characters interesting and not made New!Garrett into an unlikable twat in black eyeliner. I'd call him a taffer, but you did away with that, too, didn't you? And I suppose it's a neat idea for the new bad guys to be from the aristocracy and the City Watch. There's a certain kind of sense to that; the nobility was always a sort of fourth faction in the original trilogy, so it's good to give them their time in the sun. But if you were going to do that, you probably shouldn't have ripped off Dishonored and Bioshock: Infinite's plotlines (poorly) and made the Thief-Taker General a moustache-twirling villain. There couldn't be any moral ambiguity, huh? And hey, new powers and equipment! I don't mind the idea of using Focus to highlight important items and use other special abilities, plus it's not like you're ever forced to use it. Of course, it would've been nice if Focus-based lockpicking was actually easier than normal (at least on the PC), plus you kind of nerfed gas arrows and eliminated every means of ranged nonlethal takedown. That's kind of a problem since melee takedowns are apparently noisy as hell now and take several seconds no matter what else is happening. I see you also added in a whole bunch of interface indicators that weren't in the original trilogy but are in basically every modern stealth and semi-stealth games, but I'm not going to hold that against you. After some fan outcry, you made pretty much the whole interface optional, so those who want to feel immersed can get immersed. I won't bother with doing so myself, but it's nice to have the option. On the other hand, the audio indicators can be pretty obnoxious at times, and in fact the audio in general can be pretty wonky. That's not such a good thing for a game like this. The missions themselves are pretty linear, but I can understand why: you need transitions and points-of-no-return to mask loading screens. That's just how game design works these days. You still added plenty of nooks and crannies that hide bits of loot, and while the exploration is more constrained, there's something to be said for the puzzle factor of discovering the right path to obtain a shiny. On the other hand, since exploration is really a big focal point of the Thief series, I have to wonder why you didn't include any sort of requirement to do so or any reward beyond the money itself. But hey, there's also open world gameplay! Thief 3 had that way back in the day, and although the maps aren't as big as Thief 1 and Thief 2, they at least put 3's maps to proper shame. Then again, there's no real reason to explore the city streets more than once since nothing but guard money respawns and all the tools are unlocked after Chapter 2. Plus there's also no reason to explore except just before the very end because the loot and collectables for Basso's side jobs don't spawn until after you actively take the jobs. It's not very rewarding to discover a hidden door only to find out the secret room behind it is empty because Basso hasn't told you what's in there yet. And sure enough, there are collectables! It's true that Old!Garrett would have laughed at New!Garrett for considering anything "too precious to sell," but I can certainly see the player appeal in filling the old secret lair (secret lair? really?) with shiny collectables. But then...did one of the collectables have to include that? I mean, really? You couldn't have just, I don't know, left those two out and saved yourself a lot of awkward looks? So to sum up, I get it. You wanted to do your own thing, and you wanted to do it by ripping off around a dozen or so popular franchises (including, ultimately, Thief itself). But just because you tried doesn't mean you succeeded, and just because I understand doesn't mean I have to like your game. Hypothetically Asked Questions Q: Do you think you could make a version of the video where it's just you and nobody's talking over the cutscenes? A: No. Q: So are you going to try for 100% loot and zero (human) casualties like before? A: I really can't be bothered. I will get 100% collectables, though, because that's easy enough to do and the thought of Garrett building up a treasure trove amuses me.    Voyeur's Diary  Newspaper: The Benefits of Strict Curfew Lockdown Regulations Newspaper: Clock Tower Stops Again! 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Eastwick's Letter  Annabel's Note Manor Floor Plan Steward's Letter Burnt Letter Guard's Letter Damaged Wing Manor Duties Reactor Limit Laboratory Repair Report The Awakened Lions of Industry Progress Reunited Vivian Loose Ends Sterility Swansong  Ector's Memoirs Clockwise's Letter Alfonso's Letter Alfonso's Register Engineer's Letter Eelbiters Contract Alfonso's Workbook  Last Warning Letter Bait and Switches 1 TURN NOT TO PROTEST! Oxheart Perry's Shop Register Oxheart Perry's Notebook  Ector's Letter Engineer's Letter Clockwise's Diary Voclid Treatise Time Treatise Project Pendulum - Day 1 PP - Day 6 PP - Day 8 PP - Day 11 PP - Day 13 Clockwise's Confession   Manservant's Diary Father's Testament  Prison Register  Archie Maxwell's Diary Archie Maxwell's Notes Petty Thief Diary Boris' Debt Register Wax Witch's Journal Candlewax Ritual Book Thief-Taker General's Order Graven Notes Bookbinder's Register Miss Scarlett's Diary Painting Order  Moira Release Letter Smuggler's Map: Eel's End Bait and Switches 2 Letter to Sick Willy Hangman's Memoirs Smuggler's Map: Blackfurrow Smuggler's Map: Muddler's Row Bait and Switches 3 Tear-Soaked Diary BREAK-IN! John Tallow's Blacklist Sculptor's Diary Manuscript  Jeb Chokes' Notebook Poem (Reconstructed) The Shady Vein Watch Captain's Orders White Sail Goods Census White Sail Captain's Notes  Polly's Admirer's Letter Little Lucy's Last Letter Levack's Debt Register  Storehouse Note Smuggler's Letter  Storage Room Scavenger's Note   The Mortal Coils These bracelets, shaped like serpents, are said to seek the company of grateful widows. All six are rumored to carry an unspoken secret and darkness surely glitters in each shining eye. Sootback Bracelet Shale Snake Bracelet Harlequin Bracelet Marsh Adder Bracelet Wellpool Viper Bracelet Bronzehead Bracelet Serendi Stone Circles A set of matching precious-stone rings referred to as Circles by collectors of valuable antiques. Fashioned by the original and great Serendi himself, these rings are said to have acrostic significance. Amethyst Circle Diamond Circle Emerald Circle Lapis Lazuli Circle Ivory Circle Sapphire Circle Amber Circle Unique Loot A collection of unique loot that is more valuable to Garrett than their weight in gold. The Glittering Plumage Lygrove's Jewelled Mask Soul of the Automaton Ancient Figurine Morendrum Medal Mechanical Eye Heart of the Lion Golden Keep City Artifact Client Loot A collection of unique items that were lifted for various clients in The City. Jewelled Mask Corneleus's Ring Ritual Book The Mechanical Hand The Voice Box Automaton's Heart The Talking Skull The Octopuss City Heritage Plaques A record of the various historic buildings and monuments throughout The City. Our Lady of the Iron Litany Chapel The Crippled Burrick Tavern Stonemarket Clock Tower Stonemarket First Bank Carlysle's Mill The Keep Customs House Bridge The Siren's Rest Moira Asylum Elias Northcrest Statue South Quarter Sluices Watch Station Obediah Northcrest's Obelisk Ulysses Northcrest's Obelisk Barnabus Northcrest's Obelisk Archibauld Northcrest's Obelisk Memories of the Dead A long-lost tradition once existed that saw deceased relatives remembered with matching rings set in the bone of their ancestors. Inscribed with a memory, the rings enshrined those loved and lost so as to never be forgotten. Charity's Memory Stonemason's Memory Soldier's Memory Child's Memory Braggart's Memory Elder's Memory Flowers Eternal Courting nobles from the great houses once practiced the custom of exchanging floral jewellery beneath the now-vanished dome of Auldale Botanical Gardens. The jewelled bouquets represented a love that would never die. Daisy Brooch Rose Brooch Hydrangea Brooch Lilac Brooch Iris Brooch Sunflower Brooch The Court of Montonessi The last series of works by The City's irregular, some say disturbed, portrait painter Montonessi. He was incarcerated in Moira Asylum for the latter part of his life, where he painted some of his most particular pieces.  The Insatiable AppetiteThe Abundance of Emptiness The Repulsion of Civility The Married Spinster Guilt has Black Wings Living a Lie The Grace of Insecurity What is There Cannot be Seen The Dangers of SeductionThe Arrogance of Nobility Rutting Out of Season Compassion, Foul The Pinned Castinets A collection of exotic butterfly brooches, presented to the daughters of the Castinet family on the eve of each wedding. The pins were thought lost after the family mysteriously vanished during the Great City Riots of y521. Jewelwing Greater Ruststain Dawn Gauzy Ghost-girl Oilbox Mourning Bell Whiteridge's Duty Cameos recalling the instructions of Dame Whiteridge, the elder stateswoman of the Dayport Women's Society. Dame Whiteridge was renowned for her strict and unswerving insistence on fashion and etiquette among The City's ladies. The Statuesque Lady The Observant Lady The Burnished Lady The Constant Lady The Virtuous Lady The Porcelain Lady Fan Art This series of paintings depicts the exploits of The City's most famous thief, Garrett. Garrett's Stealth Tactics Garrett's Most Prized Possession "Honest" Garrett's Fine Pen Emporium Garrett's Pickpocketing Skills Hot Puzzle-Solving Action Spooky Scary Gollums! Garrett Photobombing Karras Garrett's Bandana Why does he never tuck it beneath his chin? What's Garrett hiding? The answers may surprise you. 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Splorange posted:I'm so sorry for your impending slog. I hope you didn't purchase this at full price. Oh, hell no. I waited for the Steam Summer Sale and got this for under twenty bucks or so.
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All in good time. Wiseblood posted:This was a huge bummer. After being pleasantly surprised by Human Revolution I was actually optimistic that they would also do right by Thief. I believe that Thief was developed by a different team even though the studio is the same. You can tell because the Thief team did not know about the 451 easter egg. SirDifferential posted:Somehow the video makes me feel a bit motion sick or confused. All that motion blur is not easy on my eyes. Yeah, I'm just going to say right here that if you get motion sick easily then you should turn around now and not look back. Garrett's head will be bobbing quite frequently.
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Night10194 posted:Original Garret was great because he was kind of a misanthropic loser. Extremely good at what he did, but like someone else said, lovely with money, not living in luxury, and constantly risking his life just to make rent. Didn't have many friends and only a few professional contacts and outright found himself on the wrong side of things most of the time until saving his own skin required him to get more deeply involved. Take the mission where a crime lord tries to have him killed for not joining the guy's stable of thieves; his response is to slip into the dude's mansion and steal the guy's purse off his belt to show him Garret can take whatever he wants. He's a character driven by pride, disdain, greed, and a strong desire not to be murdered, not any real sense of moral outrage or heroism. Basically, original Garret was actually a good Antihero. The other good thing is that Garrett grew and changed as a character. At the beginning he wanted nothing to do with the Keepers and all their meddling, but after saving the day three times he had come to realize that he owed it to himself and to others to at least keep things from getting out of hand. That's why he got interested in actually learning the prophecies and why he seemed intent on recreating the Keepers without all the politics that got the last version into so much trouble.
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insanityv2 posted:Watching the video, I have to ask... why have all these disguised loading screens and actual loading screens. Like if you are going to disguise them, why not disguise all of them and if you are ok with having actual loading screens why bother disguising some of them? I'm really not sure. Mostly the transitions seem to be used to disguise loading screens within a mission, and it's easy enough to tell because sometimes the animation finishes before the loading does, forcing you to sit there mashing E as nothing happens. But then you've got loading screens between missions and then in the city areas it combines the two: you start a transition, go to a loading screen, and then once it's loaded Garrett finishes the transition. It's the worst of both worlds!
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Cartheon posted:They are third person, but the early ones are very Thief-like in design, as far as making it more about sneaking than killing everything in sight. You can also have a lot of pretty interesting conversations if you sneak up behind everyone. I still remember the one where Fisher asked a guard's opinion about the shiny new knife he was holding to the guy's throat.
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None of you guys get to be the control. At least not if you want to watch every video in this thread. Q: What's up with that [DF] in the thread title? A: It stands for Double Feature! The Dark Mod is a total conversion mod for Doom 3 (go figure) that as of last year is completely stand-alone: you do not need Doom 3 itself to play, and everything you do need you can download straight from the website I've linked. If you want to know what this is about, let me put it simply: The Dark Mod is more of a sequel to the first two Thief games than Thief 3 was. However, I should warn you that this includes both the bad and the good. The maps are potentially huge, but the initial loading times are long to match (thankfully quick saving/loading within a map is nice and quick). Being developed exclusively for the PC, TDM relies more on using the entire keyboard than on menus and context-sensitive buttons, and both approaches have their benefits and drawbacks. Also, it's still not the most stable of games. Still, TDM adds a physics engine to areas that look and sound remarkably like they were made in the Dark Engine, plus the guard AI has been improved significantly over the old games. Another issue is that since TDM is fan-made, the maps can vary significantly in quality from one creator to another. My current collection (shown below) comes from a recommended list I found in the Thief thread in Games, but I haven't yet played most of them so I am entirely open to suggestions. My current idea is to play through the Thomas Porter series alongside the main chapters in Thi4f and then play through the more one-off stuff during exploration and side job videos. For this first video the choice was obvious: we'll be exploring The Tears of Saint Lucia, the map that's included with the basic download since it's a good, solid mission that's easy enough for beginners and contains a few secrets for advanced players. I believe I've got enough missions to take me through the entirety of Thi4f, and since there is no conceivable end to these things, I'm going to say right now that I will make exactly the same number of videos for both games and this is not up for negotiation. That said, since I'm not too familiar with what all is available, I am definitely up for suggestions on which missions to prioritize.  Objectives Map John's note Perre's note Sophie's reply Drunkenness punishment Gambling punishment Brigid's Blessing The Reverend's journal The guard's journal The Pagan Problem Confessional Records Visitation Records History of the Inquisition Abagtha's note Scriptures I suppose I may need to up the brightness, though. Processing the videos tends to darken them. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Victis posted:The Dark Mod is right, there were bits of pitch blackness that I had no idea what you were doing. I'm sure it's just ingrained play habits but any chance of using the lantern a bit more when dungeoneering? Like I say at the end of the post, the real problem is that I could see things fine when I was playing but the video processing has muddied things up. I'll be sure to up the brightness for the next mission I play.
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evilmiera posted:Wait, why is there mention of a God and saints, I thought the city only ever had Hammerites and those green fellows? None of the mods are necessarily in-canon with the Thief franchise. I call the enemies here Hammerites because that's what they're based off of and it's just simpler to call them that, but the guy who made The Tears of Saint Lucia added a lot more Catholicism to their flavor than Looking Glass or Ion Storm ever did. It could be they'll be more faithful to their origins in the next mission that features them or it could be they'll be more transparently Catholic. Welcome to community-based content!
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Cartheon posted:After watching the video, I'm surprised they didn't improve the AI enough to react to light sources going out. That is one thing Splinter Cell improved on. I never understood why the guards would stand around not noticing all of their light sources going out one by one. The AI does react to lights going out, but whether it does so or not seems to be spotty at best. Partly it's thanks to a "clue" system where a doused torch, an open door, and missing treasure can all add up to a guard realizing that something's going on, but I just finished a practice run where I had to reload a certain area a few times, and while the first time I put out a torch a patrolling guard relit it, after I reloaded the same guard walked past the doused torch and did nothing. Actually, the new Thief game has a pretty similar problem. If you put out a torch or candle while a guard is nearby, they'll notice and relight it, but if you put it out while nobody's nearby they'll just walk on by without even complaining about the draft.
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anilEhilated posted:I have a deadly serious question that makes or breaks whether I get TDM: does it have spiders? Er, I killed a spider in the first mission here. Mind you it's in a completely bonus area, so it's easy enough to skip. Also, you're not the first person to bring up the giant spiders, so the community whipped together a list that points out which missions have spiders and which ones have undead.
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RoadCrewWorker posted:Speaking of, what is Bobbins spoiler policy for this thread? Can't find anything in the OP besides the whole "no respect" thing, but i assume it's better to get into stupid plot points as/after they happen instead of frontloading that mess. I didn't mention it because we're back to standard policy: please use spoiler tags when mentioning future events, and try to avoid extended discussions about such until the whole thread can follow along.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:Maybe it'll appear later, but does this Thief game not have the little gem that told you whether you were visible or not? It doesn't seem like it does but maybe I missed it. It's the circle in the lower-left corner that the health bar wraps around. There was a tutorial pop-up about it at around 6:45 in the video. There are only three levels of visibility, though.
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anilEhilated posted:Don't forget the dinosaurs. Burricks aren't dinosaurs, they're bulettes by another name.
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Prenton posted:What was the stuff written on the crates at the end? PlaceholderPigeon posted:What was written on the crates in the tunnel? I knew I should have stopped to read those. The first crate says, "Nectar Goddess, I have given the oath of silence." The second says, "Nectar Goddess, grant your servant STRENGTH!" and the third is, "To hunt them To slay them! Like they Hunt US Like they Kill us!" I'm not sure about the implications here. Is the Nectar Goddess some sort of undead Trickster? Did the ghoul (pretty sure it's a ghoul) scrawl the graffiti or were they already on the crates, meaning the smugglers stole them from something they really should have avoided? I still haven't played far into the Thomas Porter series, so this may very well be answered later. And if it is, please don't tell me what it's about, because I'd rather like to find out for myself.
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Spudd posted:Maybe you could turn your light on when you know you're safe in an area, I know it would seem like extra work to know when is a good time to turn it on but it would help our viewing pleasure. It's just that since it's a new feature I hardly remember it's there, plus I don't particularly have a hard time seeing while I'm recording. I've already turned up the gamma, and with any luck it'll make all the difference.
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anilEhilated posted:Funny thing about Looking Glass games and their voices, a lot of those people weren't actors in the first place. SHODAN/Victoria? Level designer. The craziest thing about System Shock 2 is that the voice acting turned out as well as it did. I've played a few voiced adventure games from the mid to late 90's, and normally "competent" is not a word you'd use to describe when developers in-source the acting jobs.
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We just finished the next recording session and I have to say Thi4f is giving us a surprising number of opportunities to make Monty Python's Holy Grail jokes.
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Seems I lost track of time. Treason! Coal Room Stash Note Broken Glass Transportation of Cadavers The Mortal Coils These bracelets, shaped like serpents, are said to seek the company of grateful widows. All six are rumored to carry an unspoken secret and darkness surely glitters in each shining eye. Sootback Bracelet Serendi Stone Circles A set of matching precious-stone rings referred to as Circles by collectors of valuable antiques. Fashioned by the original and great Serendi himself, these rings are said to have acrostic significance. Amethyst Circle Unique Loot A collection of unique loot that is more valuable to Garrett than their weight in gold. The Glittering Plumage Lygrove's Jewelled Mask Client Loot A collection of unique items that were lifted for various clients in The City. Jewelled Mask City Heritage Plaques A record of the various historic buildings and monuments throughout The City. Our Lady of the Iron Litany Chapel Memories of the Dead A long-lost tradition once existed that saw deceased relatives remembered with matching rings set in the bone of their ancestors. Inscribed with a memory, the rings enshrined those loved and lost so as to never be forgotten. Charity's Memory
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Astus posted:I think it's less "amnesia" and more "Garret has been out for a year because of some weird spell gone wrong". There's nothing for him to remember, he basically stopped existing for a year. Yeah, it's not amnesia because Garrett can account for every moment that he was awake and active; he was simply unconscious for a full year after the accident and in the care of the beggar monarchy somewhere outside the city. Honestly, I've got to give the game a couple points for coming up with a fairly original reason for why the protagonist needs to be told what's going on, but then I also have to remove points for making the exposition lady such a stereotypical Mysterious and Wise Person Who Knows Everything about What's Going On But Won't Tell You a drat Thing. VVVVV I wanted to make that comment, but I couldn't remember what she was called in Dishonored. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Nov 24, 2014 |
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insanityv2 posted:Bobbin, you mention having some of the DLC. Do you have the bank mission? I, um, pointed out the bank mission when I showed off the Stonemarket map. So yes, yes I have it. Hymirvetr posted:I couldn't tell from the videos, but is the sound engine and directional sound still as broken as it was at the games release? Maybe? The sound engine isn't as bad as I've heard, but it still gets funky. Like in the Chapter 1 video all it takes for a guard conversation to go from perfect clarity to noticeably muffled is to move a little bit to one side so there's a crate in the way. Bobbin Threadbare fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Nov 25, 2014 |
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Hey, quick question here, but are there any (good) Dark Mod missions that involve breaking into a bank? I plan on tackling the DLC once I finish up Chapter 2 and I'd like something to use as a comparison. If there's nothing better, I plan on going with Lords and Legacy, but that mission's big enough to be worth a few videos on its own.
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Nov 27, 2014 05:48
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 Objectives Ralf's Bread Symond's Letter Ralf's Debts Walt's Game Attention Servants! For Honorable Service For Protecting the City For Protecting the Nobility An Unexpected Move A Bold Move Weight Sensor Mark IV Walt's Concerns Puzzle Lock Mark II Poetry by Yrjaenae
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Nov 27, 2014 18:17
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Antistar01 posted:So I actually liked that Thief 2014 separated that sort of thing out into a series of optional limitations you could set for yourself when starting a new game; that's a really good way to do it, I think. Of course I totally ignored all of them because you've always been able to choose to limit yourself if you want, but it's good that the options are there and - more importantly - that they're not enforced. (Doesn't save the rest of the game from being mediocre to awful, though.) I suppose you don't know, then, but if you actually fulfill an optional condition the game awards you with a cash bonus. Where does this money come from? Who's paying it? It's never even addressed, let alone explained. Sorry to once again ruin ~YOUR IMMERSION~.  Kiavahr posted:But only a short sword, whatever difference that makes. I did ensure that a goon will soon break his kneecaps, at least.
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Nov 28, 2014 06:14
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Corbeau posted:I'll be honest: I'm just following this thread for the Dark Mod videos. Xander77 posted:Absolutely serious - I have no idea how people are finding this interesting. It's just a bunch of waiting. The hard mode limitations in particular might challenge the player but make the video that much duller because there's really only one way to do things. The wonderful thing about a double feature is that there's something for everyone! Gantolandon posted:there is a guard with a special helmet who's only susceptible to gas arrows (I don't remember if such guards didn't appear in Deadly Shadows first). Mr. Clangey Head had only appeared in The Metal Age before The Dark Mod came about.
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Nov 28, 2014 18:04
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Break Spot Renovation Notice Stone Circle: Diamond Circle Unique Loot: Soul of the Automaton Cryptic Letter Off-Limits Dead List Stripping Procedure Client Loot: Corneleus's Ring Flowers Eternal Courting nobles from the great houses once practiced the custom of exchanging floral jewellery beneath the now-vanished dome of Auldale Botanical Gardens. The jewelled bouquets represented a love that would never die. Daisy Brooch
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Dec 1, 2014 18:02
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Night10194 posted:It's like with the murder thing, though. He makes a big deal of it like it's a moral thing, not a 'hah, assholes are no better than me' thing. Especially considering that Garrett insisted he doesn't rob graves back when he was talking to Basso. In Thi4f, the writing takes pains to show that Garrett has scruples, unlike those he's up against. In the old trilogy, all they did was show that Garrett was still a human being and then pitted him against villains who...really weren't.
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Dec 2, 2014 02:03
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Fabricated posted:Again, Garrett nicking pretty much only silverware and solid-cast metal objects is pretty much exactly the kind of poo poo a real thief would steal. Not everyone has piles of coin and jewelry laying around. Processed metal in general is valuable, and flatware/flasks/inkwells/watches are easy to carry. That's just the thing, though. Old Garrett also stole tons of plates and goblets and jewelry and piles of gold coins--that hasn't changed--but because all the prices are much lower and over half the loot doesn't clear 10g, even when it's made out of gold, that is what gives Thi4f its sense of pettiness. The fact that it's all flatware now without a dish or a holy symbol to be found just adds to it. They wouldn't even have to change that much considering they've already implemented a scaling price system. Just make the Master difficulty prices Normal instead and make everything except the coins worth five times as much. Bam, instant player satisfaction.
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Dec 2, 2014 05:26
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Kangra posted:Lest you think this reflects any amount of cleverness on the part of the developers, they went with that title but then refer to him as "the General". Yeah, that's kind of like calling an attorney-general "the General."
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Dec 2, 2014 18:51
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Gantolandon posted:The only element left is sprinkling everything with nudity to show that this is a mature game for serious players only, but given that there is a brothel level, we should see it soon enough. You have no idea. Chapter 3 is gonna have sprinkled drat well everywhere.
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Dec 2, 2014 20:43
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 Objectives Map: Cellar Map: 1st Floor Map: 2nd Floor Thief's Note Welton's Pay Remedies Cookbook Kitchen Hours WTF Dude? There's No P in Well Mary's Letter Isabella's Eels Yardley's Escape Church History pages 11-12 Welton's Wages Isabella's Accomodations Teresa's Journal Guard Conduct Day Roster Saturday's Hanging Teresa's Goodbye Church History pages 5-6 Afferton's Bonus Torn Pages Harckoff's Excuse (Trumble) Harckoff's Visitor (Trumble) Trumble's Journal Witcomb's Warning Additional Objectives Fire Damage Church History pages 13-14 Harckoff's Visitor (Witcomb) Witcomb's Worries Harckoff's Orders Visitors Poker Face Today's video is particularly wordy, but it's also a pretty good depiction of the intricate dance that goes on between a manor's lord and his servants. And then there's some creepy poo poo, but we won't be getting into that properly until next week.
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Dec 4, 2014 18:04
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PlaceholderPigeon posted:For how extreme it is trepanning actually has uses in modern medicine - though it's usually called a craniectomy - for treatment of cranial swelling or traumatic head injuries like subdural or epidural hematomas. Plus it's not actually that extreme. I mean, yeah, you gotta have a steady hand to make sure the drill bit doesn't go in too far, but once it's over you fold the skin back and get on with life as usual, just with a weak spot somewhere on the top of your skull.
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Dec 4, 2014 23:46
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paragon1 posted:You're almost certain to catch a lethal infection in the brain because someone is sticking a tool in your head in a society that knows nothing about germ theory. You'd think, but people have been surviving trepanation for over 8000 years.
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Dec 5, 2014 03:00
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Discendo Vox posted:I've played ahead in the dark mod (the Thomas Porter series, specifically), and all I can say is holy poo poo, it's several times better than even the original series. Also, I now suspect I know why Bobbin isn't showing off the attic. Because I failed to find it? I can't exactly count on a comprehensive walkthrough for every Dark Mod mission, so my only research is usually to just play through each map once as practice. If I don't find something in either that attempt or the recorded run, then it's because I simply didn't know it was there.
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Dec 8, 2014 06:42
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The Crippled Burrick Tavern NORTHCREST UNBOWED! Stonemarket Clock Tower Stonemarket First Bank Mechanical Eyes Letter to Maunders Ashes Letter Southrye Legacy Audit Letter to the Auditor The Burnt Emerald - One The Burnt Emerald - Two The Burnt Emerald - Three Lady Christina's Will The Court of Montonessi The last series of works by The City's irregular, some say disturbed, portrait painter Montonessi. He was incarcerated in Moira Asylum for the latter part of his life, where he painted some of his most particular pieces. The Insatiable Appetite
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Mordaedil posted:I think the combat system is actually sort of detrimental to the idea of Thief. There's really no danger and it doesn't really punish you as it maybe ought to for failing at stealth. That's only the case for one-on-one combat. Once two or more guards get involved, things get a lot more complicated. Sometimes multiple guards will attack you at once (and they don't always swing in unison), sword guards will throw stuff, crossbow guards will shoot at you, and if any of them manage to get behind you, you're basically dead. So combat is only ever easy if you manage to corner a guard on his own.
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